Intel claim their 14nm $/transistor is lower than for 22nm, but at the same time $/mm2 has increased, see here.
Intel claim their 14nm $/transistor is lower than for 22nm, but at the same time $/mm2 has increased, see here.The dies will be much smaller which would easily counter inflation. A 110 mm^2 skylake die is barely bigger than a high end cell phone chip (estimate 80 mm^2 on 14 nm) which will cost 1/5 the price (i7 pricing) and those ARM companies pay the TSMC tax.
Intel claim their 14nm $/transistor is lower than for 22nm, but at the same time $/mm2 has increased, see here.
I Remember something I read...
Isn't supposed Skylake being not compatible to Windows 7 and maybe Windows 8 too?
I Remember something I read...
Isn't supposed Skylake being not compatible to Windows 7 and maybe Windows 8 too?
I Remember something I read...
Isn't supposed Skylake being not compatible to Windows 7 and maybe Windows 8 too?
The only thing I have seen about this has to do with installing the OS from a USB drive.
Oh, I read that is even more than that...
http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-remove-support-usb-based-windows-7-installation-platform-specs/
Seems that MS wants to kill Win7
I think Intel keeps lying about their cost reduction advantage past beyond 22nm ...
How did thousands upon thousands of scientists fail to reduce masking costs whereas the minds behind Intel succeeded ?
It's also not like their using cutting edge photolithographic technology either like EUV to gain an upper hand against other IDMs ...
Intel may have high R&D funds but it's no use in this case when there is no immediate advantage to be had with it ...
Handel said the gate utilization is an issue because of limitations of the design tools and parasitic effects. “The other factor is parametric yields, which are strictly tied into leakage control for the 20nm and of course for the 16nm FinFETs,” he said. “You can break this. Intel has shown that it can be broken and of course that’s an excellent achievement. But, it’s based on very high design costs, potentially $1 billion per design, so you need $10 billion in revenue. It also takes a number of years,” he said. He noted that, in the smartphone market, designs move very fast. “You can’t make that kind of investments in designs.”
Its about design cost if you followed the node dicussion. If you come with a 150M$ design its not going to happen. The barrier seems to be around 500M$ for modems and 1000M$ for SoC/CPUs. Each require about 10x more of that in revenue to pay themselves.
http://electroiq.com/petes-posts/20...long-design-cycles-may-delay-20nm-and-beyond/
Pretty sure I was following the transistor/price argument and so was Intel ...
Even Intel knows they won't be able to reduce design costs so my question remains how are they doing this ...
Because they are only including manufacturing costs in the graphs and not adding design costs. So, these are, as usually, mainly 'marketing' slides.
Design costs can be amortized but what can't are manufacturing costs so how in the world are they able to reduce latter when everyone else are having issues ?
In fact if they are able to reduce manufacturing costs to that degree then why is Intel so hesitant on spitting out tons of 14nm chips when it should cancel out the increased design costs ?
Design costs can be amortized but what can't are manufacturing costs so how in the world are they able to reduce latter when everyone else are having issues ?
In fact if they are able to reduce manufacturing costs to that degree then why is Intel so hesitant on spitting out tons of 14nm chips when it should cancel out the increased design costs ?
I Remember something I read...
Isn't supposed Skylake being not compatible to Windows 7 and maybe Windows 8 too?
We have a pretty huge leak today with lots of new details on Intels upcoming Skylake processors. To begin with, Microsoft is removing support for the EHCI host controller (USB 2.0 spec) and keeping only the xHCI host controller spec (also known as the universal USB 3.0 specification). While the USB 3.0 spec is backward compatible with most USB 2.0 and 1.0 functions, installing windows 7 via USB will not be one of them (source: EXPReview).
When you got a volume/revenue like Intel. When you got time and R&D for it. Then you can make it cheaper. Its described in the article I linked. Rememebr Intel sits on something like 2/3rds of ALL semiconductor revenue.
The regular companies could do the same to and with 28nm. But then came multipatterning along...
At some point Intel wont get cheaper transistors either.
Yes but why believe now that Intel still has a cost per transistor advantage at 14nm ?
You're off by a factor of 4, Intel are "only" 15% of the semi industry revenue.Rememebr Intel sits on something like 2/3rds of ALL semiconductor revenue.