Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[icefrontier76]

Apologies in advance for not having read the whole thread. I have some questions.

1. Will there be a socketed version of Skylake with GT4E gfx with 72 EU's?
2. If so, When will it be released?
3. What kind of performance do you expect from it?

I want to upgrade my intel 9450 now. Has served me well for 8 years. :> but now I want a more efficient system. I plan to build a passively cooled system. I need it for general usage plus some simple games like Wow and Anarchy Online. Do you think it will work for that at 1080?

Happy for any information you can give. Everything ont he web is old info.

 

[skipsneeky2]

Most reliable information currently for Skylake with link please? I usually try and avoid the hype train but without recently checking much into this who knows what's rumor,hype or even confirmed.

Next month is release correct still?Got a i7 3770 non k that may be upgraded soon

 

[DrMrLordX]

1. Will there be a socketed version of Skylake with GT4E gfx with 72 EU's?

Probably. The i7-5775C seems to hint that Intel will strike again with Skylake Iris Pro, presumably for LGA1151.

2. If so, When will it be released?

Uknown. Safe money seems to be ~June 2016.

3. What kind of performance do you expect from it?

CPU-wise, probably no better or worse than the upcoming 6700k. iGPU-wise, probably 40-50% faster.

 

[dark zero]

I feel that Iris Pro Skylake might come earlier than expecting.

 

[Sweepr]

Apologies in advance for not having read the whole thread. I have some questions.

1. Will there be a socketed version of Skylake with GT4E gfx with 72 EU's?
2. If so, When will it be released?
3. What kind of performance do you expect from it?

I want to upgrade my intel 9450 now. Has served me well for 8 years. :> but now I want a more efficient system. I plan to build a passively cooled system. I need it for general usage plus some simple games like Wow and Anarchy Online. Do you think it will work for that at 1080?

Happy for any information you can give. Everything ont he web is old info.

Yes, desktop LGA Skylake GT4e was confirmed in the same leak that revealed Kabylake. We're looking at a 2016 launch, most likely Q2 or Q3.
Intel expects 50% better scores from 47W Skylake GT4e vs Broadwell GT3e in 3DMark 11. How that translate to performance in actual games remain to be seen but it’s almost certainly a lot faster than regular Skylake parts (graphics).

 

[Sweepr]

I feel that Iris Pro Skylake might come earlier than expecting.

It could arrive in late 2015 in BGA form (notebooks and Xeon E3). Can't wait to see how it performs.

 

[icefrontier76]

BLEH! 2016 = not the answer I was hoping for!

Anyone have other info? :>

 

[ClockHound]

BLEH! 2016 = not the answer I was hoping for!

Anyone have other info? :>

Sure. It'll be released in 2015 and 6/4. Better?

 

[IntelUser2000]

Probably. The i7-5775C seems to hint that Intel will strike again with Skylake Iris Pro, presumably for LGA1151.

For the sake of Intel, hope not. Core i7 5775C is a non-existent part that costs more than discrete GPU + CPU costs(real costs, not MSRP) with limited overclocking and compatibility in the face of next generation Skylake launch.

If it comes next year it'll go against much improved 14nm GPUs and won't have any advantage against the discrete parts either.

The fact that their iGPUs are so uncompetitive against discrete counterparts make me believe they have greater plans than "just graphics". I wouldn't be surprised they still have "Larrabee" plan in the future. BTW the Airmont Atom cores seemed small enough to replace the current EUs with 512-bit AVX3 and have similar area/Flops.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Yes, desktop LGA Skylake GT4e was confirmed in the same leak that revealed Kabylake.

Oh yeah! I forgot about that part. The GT4e 128+128 part will be Skylake Iris Pro right?

BLEH! 2016 = not the answer I was hoping for!

Anyone have other info? :>

Sorry. I'd like for it to show up sooner as well, since these "big iGPU" parts from Intel are interesting to me.

For the sake of Intel, hope not. Core i7 5775C is a non-existent part that costs more than discrete GPU + CPU costs(real costs, not MSRP) with limited overclocking and compatibility in the face of next generation Skylake launch.

Well two things: one, there's the Kabylake leak, so that's further confirmation that desktop GT4e will be coming. Two, just because Broadwell had problems with its desktop incarnation doesn't mean Skylake Iris Pro will be the same way.

If it comes next year it'll go against much improved 14nm GPUs and won't have any advantage against the discrete parts either.

It just keeps Nvidia's feet to the fire, if nothing else. Fact is, it'll be far-and-away the fastest iGPU on the market when it comes out. Its only competition will be Bristol Ridge until 2017 (Raven Ridge).

The fact that their iGPUs are so uncompetitive against discrete counterparts make me believe they have greater plans than "just graphics". I wouldn't be surprised they still have "Larrabee" plan in the future. BTW the Airmont Atom cores seemed small enough to replace the current EUs with 512-bit AVX3 and have similar area/Flops.

It's possible. I heard people saying the same thing about Haswell once they saw its 32-bit fp performance while using AVX2.

Theoretically, someone could design a software renderer to take advantage of AVX512/AVX3, bypass the GPU driver stack altogether, and do okay. But Intel is currently pushing AVX512 in products that are not exactly aimed at gamers/everyday consumers, so . . . that's just interesting speculation.

 

[stockwiz]

They are smart going after the low end graphics market... If they can get 20 extra bucks per chip or whatever versus going after IPC when there's no incentive for them when modern processors meet the needs of 95% and nothing from AMD... in my case I'll probably wait until a 10 nm cannonlake part with 6 cores before I upgrade unless my motherboard were to crap out.

I admit I've been using the IGPU in my bedroom computer since the start and its done everything I needed. Nice value for what I got it for.

 

[Triskain]

Skylake-K and Z170 to launch on the 5th August at Gamescom:

http://benchlife.info/intel-skylake...ase-z170-and-6700k-6600k-in-aug-5th-07062015/

 

[Sweepr]

Oh yeah! I forgot about that part. The GT4e 128+128 part will be Skylake Iris Pro right?

That one will be Kabylake Iris Pro (Skylake CPU Cores + Gen 10 Graphics?).

Skylake-K and Z170 to launch on the 5th August at Gamescom:

http://benchlife.info/intel-skylake-...-5th-07062015/

Nice find.

Although Intel H170, B150 and H110 wafers will be lifted at the end of August to early September, but in fact City time, on September 27 will be later. At this time, Intel is also synchronized release Core i3, Pentium and Celeron series of Skylake processors.

Poor translation, does that mean they are going to release the full lineup (locked multiplier Celeron, Pentium, Core i3/i5/i7) at the same time in late September? Nice if true.

5th August it is then, less than a month to go till Skylake-K.

 

[mikk]

We should see lots of real tests in a month. For an upcoming Intel major launch we haven't seen many leaks, we don't even know GPU clock frequencies for most SKUs.

 

[MisterMac]

Last minute raw performance increases overall (Ipc\clock\all counts) from Haswell K to Skylake K? - predictions from anyone ?

Stock to Stock.

 

[Enigmoid]

Last minute raw performance increases overall (Ipc\clock\all counts) from Haswell K to Skylake K? - predictions from anyone ?

Stock to Stock.

Pretty bad.

IMO Skylake will be a miserable tock.

If I had to guess about equal to Haswell over IVB (tick -> tock) comparing skylake to haswell (tock -> tock). In terms of IPC.

If skylake turns out to be great then I will be impressed but as it stands I'm not expecting much.

 

[yacoub]

So if I'm on IVB now and looking to build a new PC, is it still worth waiting for Skylake to launch to pick that up, or pick up Haswell now, or plan to pick up Haswell on discount when Skylake launches?

I'm not sure how much gain there will be over my stock-clocked 3570K, but surely extra cores will help in some use cases.

For gaming and the like, is there anything in particular that's a good bang for the buck?

I don't care about overclocking these days, just want something decently fast out of the box that I don't have to mess with too much.

 

[Arachnotronic]

So if I'm on IVB now and looking to build a new PC, is it still worth waiting for Skylake to launch to pick that up, or pick up Haswell now, or plan to pick up Haswell on discount when Skylake launches?

I'm not sure how much gain there will be over my stock-clocked 3570K, but surely extra cores will help in some use cases.

For gaming and the like, is there anything in particular that's a good bang for the buck?

Very rare for Intel to cut prices on older gen CPUs when a new generation comes out.

That said, I would advise you wait for Skylake at this point because the CPU perf will be better and the platform will be much better.

 

[SAAA]

Last minute raw performance increases overall (Ipc\clock\all counts) from Haswell K to Skylake K? - predictions from anyone ?

Stock to Stock.

It's hard to tell because the leaked benchmarks are all over the place: if you take Geekbench alone it looks like Enigmoid said quite miserable but Sysoft and other scores point up to 15-20% better clock for clock vs Haswell so... just wait till August :thumbsup:

Anyway pure performance increase I don't think it will be 5-10% only: we had that with Haswell refresh and Broadwell too if you clock it to 4GHz. This is a tock so something more is expectable.

 

[witeken]

Totally off-topic, but extremely interesting article:

http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1327056

 

[Fjodor2001]

Very rare for Intel to cut prices on older gen CPUs when a new generation comes out.

Yep, but they used to do that before (~10 years ago). But in those days the difference between desktop CPU generations was also far greater so it made sense.

If they'd sell IB/Haswell at a 30% discount when Skylake is released, then I bet those would sell better than Skylake.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Pretty bad.

IMO Skylake will be a miserable tock.

If I had to guess about equal to Haswell over IVB (tick -> tock) comparing skylake to haswell (tock -> tock). In terms of IPC.

If skylake turns out to be great then I will be impressed but as it stands I'm not expecting much.

The Skylake Y variants can perhaps be interesting though, assuming that's what Intel has optimized for. We'll have to wait and see, not much info on those variants yet. Higher CPU frequency and not so much throttling compared to Broadwell Y would be nice if they manage to pull off.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Yep, but they used to do that before (~10 years ago). But in those days the difference between desktop CPU generations was also far greater so it made sense.

Prices was also MUCH higher. And production was still running. None of the 2 is how it works today.

 

[Sweepr]

Following the delay of Skylake processors, Intel's next-generation Kaby Lake processors, which were originally scheduled for early 2016, reportedly will be pushed back until September 2016 for the consumer version and January 2017 for the enterprise one. With Intel's frequent adjustments in its processor roadmap, notebook ODMs are seeing vendors' request for quotation (RFQ) process being delayed by 3-6 months.

Intel is currently planning to launch its 14nm Skylake processors for desktops in August and for notebooks in the fourth quarter. Intel's Cannonlake processors, which were originally planned to directly succeed Skylake in 2016, have been postponed and Intel has inserted the 14nm Kaby Lake platform between them as a buffer.

With the enterprise version of Kaby Lake processors being postponed to 2017, most notebook brand vendors' RFQ processes, which are usually in May-July, have been delayed by 3-6 months. Dell's RFQ process for its Kaby Lake-based enterprise notebooks is expected to start in January 2016.

As for the consumer version of Kaby Lake, most brand vendors' RFQ processes are expected to start between July-October 2015.

www.digitimes.com/news/a20150707PD202.html

OEM's request?
Looks like Kabylake will be another stop-gap till Cannonlake or whatever comes next in 2017.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Its clear OEMs doesnt like the shift changes. So I wouldnt be surprised if it was those trying to slow down.