Yeah Skylake Core i3 and Pentium will come last in Q4 2015 acccording to Fuad @ Fudzilla
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/processors/38226-core-i5-6500-is-the-sub-200-skylake
Maybe. The latest release schedule I've seen is this one:
No desktop i3 or Pentium in that one. But it only stretches until January 2016. I think i3 and Pentium usually is released quite some time after the other SKUs...
Yep! I would just like to see more value added at the $500 and $999 price points. Right now the 5930K is in a pretty weird spot. You're paying a ton of extra money for some PCIe lanes.
I only said what I was hoping for in case of Zen. It's of course still too early to say what it'll actually turn out like, I don't have that info. But if 8 core Zen performs worse than 8 core Skylake-E, it is hardly unrealistic to expect the Zen to be significantly cheaper. Do you really consider that "over-hyping it"?
Intel on the other hand of course had the knowledge about how Skylake would perform, and still called it "its most important chip architecture in a decade", something I think everyone would agree on definitely is over-hyping it. Or do you consider it to be more important than e.g. Conroe and Sandy Bridge?
You act as if we know for certain how Skylake will perform. We don't. You act as if Intel hyping up Skylake has to be related to the performance of the desktop parts. It doesn't.
Given that Intel's bread and butter market is declining, calling Skylake the most important architecture may not be far from the truth. Intel either needs Skylake to reinvigorate its base market or to open doors to new market. I think it is hoping for it to do both. That seems pretty important.
Even with no performance bump from Broadwell it would still be an outstanding arch if it managed to offer a combo of extremely low power usage while bellow 3Ghz and very high maximum clocks of 5Ghz+.Fair enough. But I just don't see what other aspect of Skylake could compensate for the low performance increase we're seeing (assuming leaked benchmarks are somewhat close to actual) to justify calling it the "most important chip architecture in a decade". Maybe if they get Skylake Y to clock significantly higher than Broadwell Y without throttling. Or what was on your mind?
Even with no performance bump from Broadwell it would still be an outstanding arch if it managed to offer a combo of extremely low power usage while bellow 3Ghz and very high maximum clocks of 5Ghz+.
If it does that it wins the title.
Even with no performance bump from Broadwell it would still be an outstanding arch if it managed to offer a combo of extremely low power usage while bellow 3Ghz and very high maximum clocks of 5Ghz+.
If it does that it wins the title.
Hmm... what SKUs are you thinking about? The Skylake 6600/6700K is 95W TDP, while Haswell 4670/4770K was 84W TDP.
Or do you mean that the various Skylake SKUs will be able to span a wide frequency spectrum, while having good metrics (TDP etc) in all frequency ranges?
It would be nice if you could clarify that idea a bit. Because we're not seeing 5+ GHz clocks from Skylake yet, nor do we know how it performs in the <3 GHz range. Or am I missing something here?
Intel Corp. has cancelled release of its code-named “Cannonlake” processors and will introduce “Kaby Lake” chips instead in 2016. Intel’s first 10nm central processing units will be code-named “Ice Lake” and will be available only in 2017. Moreover, “Ice Lake” CPUs will re-introduce fully-integrated voltage regulator (FIVR).
All Intel’s processors except “Haswell” and “Broadwell” relied on voltage regulators located on mainboards. FIVR, which is integrated into “Haswell” and “Broadwell”, greatly simplifies design of motherboards and gives Intel more control over the power supply of CPUs, which also optimizes power consumption. Unfortunately, “Skylake” and “Kaby Lake” processors will not feature FIVR, but the world’s largest chipmaker will reintroduce its fully-integrated voltage regulator in 2017 with “Ice Lake” processors, reports Hardwareluxx web-site.
A bit offtopic. I couldn't wait for this thing to launch (was looking for i5 6500). Since Broadwell is way overpriced and MIA, I opted for 4690K+MSI Z97-G45 GAMING board (discount on the board). AMD's Zen is too far away for me to wait and I didn't want to invest in FX 8350 build due to age of AM3+ socket and very poor selection of boards. I doubt Skylake will be massive upgrade over Haswell. Broadwell does seem to benefit from edram in games but the difference of ~15% or so is nothing that would sway me to shell out 100$ more for that thing.
You're right about the power consumption vs TDP issue. It would be nice if the chip manufacturers provided power consumption numbers too (under various loads), and not just TDP.
The fact that they do any testing at all was surprising to a neophyte. The expense . . .That would create all kinds of binning havok. Right now they can bin anything that fits within the spec'ed TDP for a given SKU. This leaves them full control over setting the VIDs necessary to nail the GHz while operting within the TDP and TJmax parameters.
If you want individual processors to be characterized by actual power consumption then a whole lot more testing must be done, and then how do you market the lower power CPU's versus the higher power ones? (all operating under TDP mind you)
I think they will simply continue to bin out the CPUs by rough power consumption tiers and call it a day so as to not incur additional testing and validation expenses per CPU, as well as all the extra marketing overhead that would go into creating even more SKUs to manage in the channel.
That would create all kinds of binning havok. Right now they can bin anything that fits within the spec'ed TDP for a given SKU. This leaves them full control over setting the VIDs necessary to nail the GHz while operting within the TDP and TJmax parameters.
If you want individual processors to be characterized by actual power consumption then a whole lot more testing must be done, and then how do you market the lower power CPU's versus the higher power ones? (all operating under TDP mind you)
I think they will simply continue to bin out the CPUs by rough power consumption tiers and call it a day so as to not incur additional testing and validation expenses per CPU, as well as all the extra marketing overhead that would go into creating even more SKUs to manage in the channel.
You were asking what Skylake needs to be considered an unmitigated success, not what we clearly know about the chips.It would be nice if you could clarify that idea a bit. Because we're not seeing 5+ GHz clocks from Skylake yet, nor do we know how it performs in the <3 GHz range. Or am I missing something here?
In the real world, what is the difference between the 16 PCIE lanes of the 4970K, the 28 lanes of the 5820K, and the 40 lanes of the 5930K?
This thread from last week.. IBM's 7nm process..
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2438746
SO.. when do we get GT4E for socket 1151? :>