Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[Abwx]

HD 5500 is Broadwell and as you can see Carrizo is losing in some games.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-EliteBook-755-G2-J0X38AW-Notebook-Review.126452.0.html

This is hardly better than 15W Haswell. You must be dreaming saying this thing will beat Skylake-U. No chance.

Can you link one of those 15W haswell test at NBC, so i can see if your saying have any accuracy...?

That said Intel process didnt change, what is not possible with BDW wont be possible with SKL unless they come with yet another power management that allow to extract the numbers at the expense, yet again, of the official TDPs that are defintly no more than marketing numbers since several CPUs generations.

 

[Khato]

That said Intel process didnt change, what is not possible with BDW wont be possible with SKL unless they come with yet another power management that allow to extract the numbers at the expense, yet again, of the official TDPs that are defintly no more than marketing numbers since several CPUs generations.

Because marked differences in power efficiency from an architecture revision in graphics on the same process are completely unheard of, right? Such an amusing notion..

 

[Sweepr]

Because marked differences in power efficiency from an architecture revision in graphics on the same process are completely unheard of, right? Such an amusing notion..

Only valid for AMD and their overhyped Carrizo it seems.

 

[AtenRa]

HD 5500 is Broadwell and as you can see Carrizo is losing in some games. Skylake Gen9 LP will bring its biggest improvement in a low power environment:

All i can see from the above is 3D Mark 11

Broadwell HD5500 is slower than R6 Kaveri, not even close to Carizzo.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-EliteBook-755-G2-J0X38AW-Notebook-Review.126452.0.html

This is hardly better than 15W Haswell. You must be dreaming saying this thing will beat Skylake-U. No chance.

I said Carizzo will be faster than Skylake-U in real games, simple as that. Especially in Win 10.

 

[Sweepr]

Corsair - The Skylake Primer: What You Need to Know About Intel's 6th Generation Core Processors

Users who want to bring their existing performance DDR3 to Skylake are going to have a much tougher time, though. Because the new memory controller only supports DDR3L at 1.35V and 1.5V (XMS) speeds, the 1.65V required to get DDR3 to hit high speeds rules them out. Some vendors are working on making their DDR3L-based Intel 100 Series boards compatible with existing 1.5V DDR3 kits, but expect these to be in the minority.

www.corsair.com/en-us/blog/2015/july/skylake_primer

MSI’s Flagship Z170A XPOWER Gaming Titanium Edition Motherboard Unveiled

With the launch of Skylake processors closing on us, we are looking at more and more leaks of Z170 chipset based motherboards. The latest boards we have for you to feast your eyes upon is MSI’s flagship and totally enthusiast targeted, Z170A XPOWER Gaming Titanium Edition motherboard. The new motherboard that will launch on 5th August will feature a fully loaded design that is geared towards overclocking the latest 6th gen Skylake K-Series processors.

BCLK OC.

http://wccftech.com/msi-z170a-xpowe...oard-unveiled-military-class-v/#ixzz3hDyb6Yw3

Z170 LGA1151 Asrock motherboard lineup

Includes pricing (Euro).

http://benchmarkhardware.com/2015/07/se-confirman-detalles-de-la-serie-z170-skylake-de-asrock-96488

 

[Abwx]

Because marked differences in power efficiency from an architecture revision in graphics on the same process are completely unheard of, right? Such an amusing notion..

Release is too close to BDW for the uarch to be substancially enhanced, difference will be in size wich allow to get better perf/Watt, although not at the same level as AMD despite a smaller node.

It will work for the GPU like for the CPU part, at low power processes differences decrease, and what is left as main difference are the intrinsical uarchs efficencies.

All i can see from the above is 3D Mark 11

It say that it s 3DMark Graphics (wich is not explicitly graphic score) and in the bracket it is stipulated Performance preset, so what test is it actualy..?.

Graphic, combined,..?..

For the CPU perfs they used a bandwith test that say nothing about CPU perfs at all, in SPECint_rate Baytrail has almost twice the score of a Kabini due to its dual memory channel, we all know how this translate with actual software..

 

[Khato]

Release is too close to BDW for the uarch to be substancially enhanced, difference will be in size wich allow to get better perf/Watt, although not at the same level as AMD despite a smaller node.

That's an amusing sentiment. Because release dates have a direct correlation to the development schedule/scope...

 

[Fjodor2001]

http://www.kitguru.net/components/c...ssors-to-be-in-short-supply-initially-report/

Intel ‘Skylake’ processors to be in short supply initially – report
[...]
At least one retailer from Sweden along with a number of sources from Taiwan polled by SweClockes web-site claim that Intel will not be able to meet demand for its Core i5-6600K and Core i7-6700K processors initially. The initial batch of “Skylake-S” central processing units will only be enough for several days of sales.

“We have a small number of processors and motherboards coming,” said Anton Nilsson, marketing director of Webhallen, a Swedish retailer. “They confirmed deliveries will not be enough for a whole week, rather a few days. Unfortunately, it is also likely that the most interesting motherboards are further delayed by about a month.”

That's unusual for Intel, they usually have the sales channels filled at launch. 14 nm yield issues at high clocks still haunting them, or what could be the reason?

 

[Thala]

For the CPU perfs they used a bandwith test that say nothing about CPU perfs at all, in SPECint_rate Baytrail has almost twice the score of a Kabini due to its dual memory channel, we all know how this translate with actual Software

Right. Why would anyone use SPECint_rate as ST CPU performance measure? Something is not right here.
If you ask me...this smells like a marketing stunt.

 

[dark zero]

http://www.kitguru.net/components/c...ssors-to-be-in-short-supply-initially-report/

That's unusual for Intel, they usually have the sales channels filled at launch. 14 nm yield issues at high clocks still haunting them, or what could be the reason?

Seems that Skylake is the Nehalem... short supplies, some issues, not that big improvements... Kabylake points to be the SB

 

[Fjodor2001]

Seems that Skylake is the Nehalem... short supplies, some issues, not that big improvements... Kabylake points to be the SB

Hmm... How do you mean KabyLake is the new SB? KL is only a stopgap solution to cover up the Cannonlake 10 nm delays. Likely it'll effectively only be a Skylake refresh; somewhat improved iGPU + minor tweaks.

SB on the other hand provided noticeable improvement over it's predecessor, both in the CPU and iGPU area. Plus it moved from 2 to 4 cores on mainstream desktop. So a huge step forward.

 

[Arachnotronic]

SB on the other hand provided noticeable improvement over it's predecessor, both in the CPU and iGPU area. Plus it moved from 2 to 4 cores on mainstream desktop. So a huge step forward.

Lynnfield (i.e. Nehalem mainstream DT part) was a quad-core.

 

[tenks]

(Random) Just catching up with the thread and came across some interesting stuff...

Had no idea about "U.2" and that Sata-Express didn't really take off because it had 2 lane limitation. Also, I thought (on paper) M.2 was going to be great but it seems its not very practical because of its thermals? Wow that's disappointing..good info though!

I also find it funny how external cabling and I/O (thunderbolt 3) is a more powerful and elegant then what we have internally, a clunky mess of connectors

 

[Wreckem]

http://www.kitguru.net/components/c...ssors-to-be-in-short-supply-initially-report/

That's unusual for Intel, they usually have the sales channels filled at launch. 14 nm yield issues at high clocks still haunting them, or what could be the reason?

Note that the article refers to end user retail sales. I am sure OEMs are eating up a lot of the volume because there really hasn't been a new chip in two years. I'm not sure I buy the stuff about the motherboards. Info about various Z170 boards starts leaking out in Q1 and they have all had working boards for awhile now. I don't see how there would be volume issues with chipset.

If they are indeed in limited supply that will likely mean they will be more expensive. I live next to a microcenter if skylake debutes at a higher price than I can get a 5820k, I'll be going haswell-e.

 

[Wreckem]

(Random) Just catching up with the thread and came across some interesting stuff...

Had no idea about "U.2" and that Sata-Express didn't really take off because it had 2 lane limitation. Also, I thought (on paper) M.2 was going to be great but it seems its not very practical because of its thermals? Wow that's disappointing..good info though!

I also find it funny how external cabling and I/O (thunderbolt 3) is a more powerful and elegant then what we have internally, a clunky mess of connectors

Right now there is only one brand of consumer u.2 drives and one brand of m.2 drives that utilize the speed of ultra fast m.2. The two Samsung m.2 drives are really OEM drives built for laptops. Both m.2 and u.2 are in their infancy stages. There should be a wider selection of full speed m.2 drives later year this year. I wouldn't count on consumer u.2 to take off for another year.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Example:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37576577&postcount=24

Its not the NAND. It simply doesnt use anywhere near that power. So forget that.

I will just leave this image here: http://images.anandtech.com/doci/9090/IMG_2246.jpg

 

[ClockHound]

I also find it funny how external cabling and I/O (thunderbolt 3) is a more powerful and elegant then what we have internally, a clunky mess of connectors

Exactly! Smartyphone peeps get their svelte wireless charging pads in designer colors and what do we get? A snake pit of PSU modular cables, if we're lucky and spendy. Where's our wireless MB ATX power connector, Intel??? Screwing desktop enthusiasts again in favor of those fashionable pocket computer hipsters.

:biggrin:

 

[witeken]

Purley will use 3D XPoint, so that's what Intel's been talking about in their slides:

 

[IntelUser2000]

Lynnfield (i.e. Nehalem mainstream DT part) was a quad-core.

Still, Sandy Bridge was a big improvement.

Desktop: 10% improvement over a $999 chip with a $350 one
25% improvement over Lynnfield
1.5-2.5x graphics
Lower power

Mobile Quad: 50-60% improvement in CPU
2-2.5x graphics
Significant improvement in battery life

Mobile U: 30% improvement in CPU
2x+ graphics
Battery life improvements

 

[Fjodor2001]

Lynnfield (i.e. Nehalem mainstream DT part) was a quad-core.

I meant "quad core with iGPU", and Lynnfield has no iGPU. Clarkdale is the natural predecessor to Sandy Bridge, since both have iGPU. And Clarkdale was only dual core.

 

[mikk]

I said Carizzo will be faster than Skylake-U in real games, simple as that.

This is what you said:

Even Kaveri 20W TDP will be faster than Skylake-U GT2

Do a reality check. Broadwell-U is already faster. And Carrizo has a big lead only in 3dmark, real games are looking much worse as expected. Maybe you are blinded from AMDs marketing slides which are usually based on 3dmark.

 

[ClockHound]

Does the subliminal message from this graphic bother anyone?

Dude is rocking a fancy (meaning cheap-ass) All-in-One Skylake system. And despite the manifold amazing improvements with 14nm Skylake, especially the HD Graphics, this guy finds it faster to work with pencil and paper. I knew your iGPUs weren't top tier, Intel, but jeez, you're saying hand drawn rasters are still faster??!

The (not) hidden message this marketing idiocy reveals:

Intel Skylake: Premium Performance Leadership, in the vital P'nP (pencil and paper) sector! For computing purposes, move on, nothing to see here.

We enthusiasts are burning internet bandwidth with Skylake-S overclocking conjecture and Y-U-H mobile performance speculation while, Intel, you're saying:

a) There will be no Skylake retail availability - keep those pencils handy, kids!

b) When Skylake is finally available, all the tough encoding problems will have been solved. By hand.

c) Skylake resolves computer users' #1 frustration: Printers.

d) Thermal density issues minimized by keeping the cpu in a very deep sleep state - Always Off Tech™ - Intel Hand On (pencil) solutions.

e) Skylake - designed by great artists - by hand in 14nm carbon tube lithography. A limited edition series.

f) All of the above.

Thanks, Intel! You've confirmed that with your process advantage, we can now operate pencil and paper, fanless.

Moore's Law isn't dead yet. It's just jumped domains.

:biggrin:

 

[coercitiv]

I knew your iGPUs weren't top tier, Intel, but jeez, you're saying hand drawn rasters are still faster??!

Skylake is not in the AIO, it's in the pencil. Better now?

Any data on idle power consumption for Skylake-U?

 

[AtenRa]

This is what you said:




Do a reality check. Broadwell-U is already faster. And Carrizo has a big lead only in 3dmark, real games are looking much worse as expected. Maybe you are blinded from AMDs marketing slides which are usually based on 3dmark.

You havent even provided a single link to prove that, but you keep preaching. On the other hand i have provided two links that clearly demonstrates Kaveri R6 (19W TDP) is faster than Broadwell-U HD5500 even with very old Drivers (Catalyst 13.)

Dont thing so,

R6 Carizzo
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-R6-Carrizo-Benchmarks.144290.0.html


Broadwell HD5500
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-5500.125586.0.html

Now since Kaveri is GCN 1.2, it will be even faster with Windows 10, unlike Haswell-U HD4400 and Broadwell-U HD5500.

Carizzo R7 with Windows 10 will be even faster than Broadwell-U GT3 HD6000 not to mention Skylake-U GT2.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I will just leave this image here: http://images.anandtech.com/doci/9090/IMG_2246.jpg

You forgot the chips on the back....

http://images.anandtech.com/doci/9090/IMG_2258_575px.jpg