Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[Sweepr]

Nice find mikk!

 

[AtenRa]

No proof there, nothing more than the usual marketing blabla. You are sold into marketing claims it seems. "Up to" doesn't say anything. It requires just one cherry picked benchmark with a greater gain.

You have to prove that the games I compared improved by 20-30%. You also have to improve that in average of a big game test they improved by 20-30%. You won't be able to prove it because it's simply not the case. If there is a 5% improvement you can be happy.

Very funny, there were lots of drivers since early 2014 specifically made for newer games like Thief, Civilization Beyond Earth, The withcer 3, Grand Theft Auto V among others.

But feel free to believe there was only a 5% performance increase since the Kaveri release in January 2014.

 

[Sweepr]

http://diy.pconline.com.cn/675/6751941.html

Another i7-6700k test. Mixed results, some greater gains there but also some worse results. CB R15 score looks rather low, they were better results from earlier leaks. Gaming benchmarks possibly limited by GPU to some degree, apart from pcars maybe. Also a pity they didn't compare the integrated graphics.

Some results are really impressive.

CPU-limited Project Cars:

Can't wait till actual reviews come out.

Edit: Broken links. Will fix later.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Those results seem disappointing actually. Within a few percent of Haswell, no significant power reduction, and runs at about the same temperature as well.

Edit: The project cars data did look good, but since we didnt see similar improvement in other games, or the cpu benchmarks, I tend to think that is a fluke of some kind.

 

[mikk]

Those results seem disappointing actually. Within a few percent of Haswell, no significant power reduction, and runs at about the same temperature as well.

Where do you see a temperature test?

Edit: The project cars data did look good, but since we didnt see similar improvement in other games, or the cpu benchmarks, I tend to think that is a fluke of some kind.

Project cars is the most CPU intensive game in their test. Other games might run into a GPU bottleneck to some degree. To avoid any GPU distortion they should have used 720p instead 1080p.

or the cpu benchmarks

TMPGEnc and Photoshop

 

[frozentundra123456]

Where do you see a temperature test?



Project cars is the most CPU intensive game in their test. Other games might run into a GPU bottleneck to some degree. To avoid any GPU distortion they should have used 720p instead 1080p.




TMPGEnc and Photoshop

Yea, guess they didn't do temperature. I think I was confused with the idle power or something. Still, I agree we need to wait for full tests from more sites in more benchmarks, but the lack of consistent, clear improvement is troubling, especially since this is 2 generations from Haswell, a tick and an tock. It would be nice to see a 10 to 15 % consistent improvement, and that doesnt seem to be happening.

BTW, what is TMPGEnc???

 

[mikk]

A video converting program.

 

[Sweepr]

Fixed links:

Those results seem disappointing actually. Within a few percent of Haswell, no significant power reduction, and runs at about the same temperature as well.

Might or might not be an isolated case but I've never seen 4-core Haswell beating 6 core Ivy Bridge-E/Sandy Bridge-E @ CPU video converting, while Skylake-S was faster than Haswell-E here. The Photoshop result is very good too, remmember Core i7 6700K has a lower Turbo clock than Core i7 4790K (4.2GHz vs 4.4GHz). And in the only CPU limited game tested (Project Cars) Skylake-S gave an indication of what to expect.

Project Cars:

 

[mscrivo]

Fixed links:



Might or might not be an isolated case but I've never seen 4-core Haswell beating 6 core Ivy Bridge-E/Sandy Bridge-E @ CPU video converting, while Skylake-S was faster than Haswell-E here. The Photoshop result is very good too, remmember Core i7 6700K has a lower Turbo clock than Core i7 4790K (4.2GHz vs 4.4GHz). And in the only CPU limited game tested (Project Cars) Skylake-S gave an indication of what to expect.

yeah looking at those graphs again, it does seem to be a decent improvement. For some reason, I thought that Photoshop score being lower was actually worse.

 

[frozentundra123456]

yeah looking at those graphs again, it does seem to be a decent improvement. For some reason, I thought that Photoshop score being lower was actually worse.

Yea, so did I. Still though, like I said, the results are so inconsistent.

 

[BigDaveX]

Looks like it's mostly single-threaded scenarios where it's behind the 4790K. From what I gather, Devil's Canyon is pretty good at sustaining its peak turbo speed, so possibly Skylake is a lot more conservative in that regard (on top of having a lower top speed to begin with).

 

[Sweepr]

From what I gather, Devil's Canyon is pretty good at sustaining its peak turbo speed, so possibly Skylake is a lot more conservative in that regard (on top of having a lower top speed to begin with).

Yup, matching Devil's Canyon already means better performance per clock (most of the time it's probably running at lower clocks). Funnily enough Skylake-S did better in actual applications than synthethic benchmarks in this latest results.
The % of improvement could vary greatly from application to application.

 

[mikk]

The rest of the desktop Core i5 and i7 lineup will be released in the week of August 30, and it will be comprised of Core i5-6400, i5-6400T, i5-6500, i5-6500T, i5-6600, i5-6600T, i7-6700 and i7-6700T SKUs.

According to the latest information from our sources, the launch date has been finalized as September 1, 2015. In addition to Core i5 and i7 products, Intel will also announce Skylake-based Core i3 and Pentium dual-core CPUs.

http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2015/...tium_Skylake_CPUs_to_launch_in_September.html

 

[Sweepr]

http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2015/...tium_Skylake_CPUs_to_launch_in_September.html

Also from the link, Core i3 and Pentium models:

Upcoming Core i3 standard-power SKUs are i3-6100, i3-6300 and i3-6320, and there will be also Core i3-6100T and i3-6300T low power processors. As can be seen from model numbers, Intel will continue to offer two lines of Core i3 microprocessors, possibly with different cache sizes and/or GPU types.

New Pentium processors are G4400, G4400T, G4500, G4500T and G4520. Pentium and Core i3 model numbers with "T" suffix are rated at 35 Watt TDP, and remaining SKUs have 65 Watt TDP.

Even though Pentium and Core i3 "Skylake" products will be announced on September 1, they will not be available in stores until the end of September. The same is true for the H110, Q150 and Q170 chipsets.

http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2015/...tium_Skylake_CPUs_to_launch_in_September.html

So the full Skylake-S lineup (except Celeron) will be available in September. Nice, earlier than I expected.

 

[ClockHound]

There's announcement dates, release dates, launch dates and then there's shipping dates. The latter dates are the more satisfying.

The pre-release price for a 6700k at PCconnection while high, is not stupid high like the 5775C vaporware prices.

Does this mean that Skylake-S could actually arrive in North America (possibly in quantity) before desktop Broadwell ships?

 

[dark zero]

Oh boy, Core i3 and Pentium?

I wonder if the Pentium will have HT too, it would be interesting to watch it.

BTW... maybe Celeron won't be there since they don't have any sense to exist :/

Since:

Pentium are Core i5 with core problems
Core i3 are Core i7 with core problems.

Since Celeron was underclocked Pentium, it doesn't have sense to exist... unless...

Pentium has HT and Core i3 are Real quads

 

[PPB]

Fyi 4770k already matches ivy/sb Ex im renderers, devils canyon my very well beat those in an encoder if the circunstances allow it.

All in all another snoozefest. If it overclocks better it might be interesting, even then you will require a higher end board to achieve that oc compared to the ones in haswell, add the ddr4 price, the ihs. Yeah nope.

 

[Zodiark1593]

There's announcement dates, release dates, launch dates and then there's shipping dates. The latter dates are the more satisfying.

The pre-release price for a 6700k at PCconnection while high, is not stupid high like the 5775C vaporware prices.

Does this mean that Skylake-S could actually arrive in North America (possibly in quantity) before desktop Broadwell ships?

Goddamn that's a steep (read: stupidly high) price, unless, by some miracle and very tight NDAs, it ends up being a hexa-core. If the i5-6600K ends up being above $250, I'm going with a Devil's Canyon.

 

[VirtualLarry]

that's a steep (read: stupidly high) price

That's pretty crazy-high for a quad-core, since you can get a (true) hex-core at MC for $100 less.

 

[mscrivo]

It's pretty much the same price as the 4790k at pcconnection. Nothing to get worked up about.

 

[Zodiark1593]

That's pretty crazy-high for a quad-core, since you can get a (true) hex-core at MC for $100 less.

What I'm also concerned about is when I would actually have the processor in hand. I'm hoping to finish my build next weekend at the latest (the 8th). They'd better be shipping at launch.

Of course, my impatience is due to having my video card in hand already, but nothing to stick it into yet.

 

[JM Popaleetus]

Those leaked benchmarks are pretty much what we (I?) expected. Another 5-15% generation improvement.

That said, I'm glad to see the 5820K winning in everything but gaming. Reaffirms my decision to go X99. Looks like I won't be returning these parts after all.

 

[iSkylaker]

There's announcement dates, release dates, launch dates and then there's shipping dates. The latter dates are the more satisfying.

The pre-release price for a 6700k at PCconnection while high, is not stupid high like the 5775C vaporware prices.

Does this mean that Skylake-S could actually arrive in North America (possibly in quantity) before desktop Broadwell ships?

Actually, they have the i7-4790K (in stock) at almost the same price.

 

[majord]

did they take the review down? I can't see anything in that link but screenshots and pictures

 

[JM Popaleetus]

did they take the review down? I can't see anything in that link but screenshots and pictures

http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-core-i7-6700k-review-gaming-performance-5820k/