Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[AtenRa]

And where does that run on an i5? Where does it show CPU usage? Oh wait it doesnt!

We all know how horrible slow the FX are.

This is what you said,

DX12 isnt going to do anything outside the API. Game logic, AI etc is same as always. Nothing changed. Nothing that cant be done on DX9, DX10 or DX11.

And if you wish to fully exploit that much CPU resources on the API. Then you better race 10 years into the future. Because the current GPUs wont do.

Watch the videos again :whiste:

 

[Fjodor2001]

If ZEN is competitive forget about low prices from AMD, especially in a time of worst PC economics. But i will say that Intel will have to lower the 6-8 core SKU prices if they want to sell more CPUs in the desktop when DX-12 games will start to require you to have more than a Quad Core i5.

The Intel 8 core HEDT CPU (5960X) is priced at $1000 today, and thus does not sell much. I don't think many people will buy an 8 core Zen either if it's priced around that level, even if it is competitive performance-wise.

 

[ShintaiDK]

This is what you said,



Watch the videos again :whiste:

I did. And no, it didnt show any demanding CPU usage. It just showed the benefit of lower API overhead.

 

[AtenRa]

I did. And no, it didnt show any demanding CPU usage. It just showed the benefit of lower API overhead.

@ 2.08
https://youtu.be/M2YPs0AkzvU?t=128


He talks about what DX-12 will allow you to do with MultiCore CPUs, increasing AI.

Also from this video @ 11.03
https://youtu.be/H1L4iLIU9xU?t=663

MultiCore in DX-12 will allow higher AI and higher Physics to be used by the game.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Talk, no numbers. And a baseline in a terrible slow CPU.

Yet you already made huge claims about i5 performance.

And yes, lower overhead can be used elsewhere. Thats nothing new. But its not what you claim at all.

 

[CHADBOGA]

@ 2.08
https://youtu.be/M2YPs0AkzvU?t=128


He talks about what DX-12 will allow you to do with MultiCore CPUs, increasing AI.

And where does he say how many cores are needed or where it tops out at?

He doesn't.

You are just drawing ridiculous conclusions based on your ludicrous wishes that AMD are gonna rule with 8 core CPU's.

 

[phillyman36]

An Amazon seller has the i7 6700k for 550 bucks. Shipping from Isreal. ETA September 3-25th lol. I think ill wait sheesh

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B012M8LXQW/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new

 

[ShintaiDK]

Still waiting for Asus Z170I specs >.<

 

[AtenRa]

And where does he say how many cores are needed or where it tops out at?

He doesn't.

You are just drawing ridiculous conclusions based on your ludicrous wishes that AMD are gonna rule with 8 core CPU's.

You missed this one,

https://youtu.be/H1L4iLIU9xU?t=663

"Ashes of the Singularity can easily max out 16 core machines"

ps. Im not talking about AMD here, but MultiCore CPUs from both AMD and Intel.

 

[ShintaiDK]

You missed this one,

https://youtu.be/H1L4iLIU9xU?t=663

"Ashes of the Singularity can easily max out 16 core machines"

ps. Im not talking about AMD here, but MultiCore CPUs from both AMD and Intel.

Seems its you missing it. Only requires 1000 units to do so. And it was mentioned as a pure theoretical claim. Not to mention it was unspecified cores of unknown performance.

Yet somehow you suddenly made sure that quadcores wont stand a chance.

One would think you learned your lesson by now instead of repeating the same wrong.

 

[AtenRa]

Seems its you missing it. Only requires 1000 units to do so. And it was mentioned as a pure theoretical claim. Not to mention it was unspecified cores of unknown performance.

Yet somehow you suddenly made sure that quadcores wont stand a chance.

Obviously a quad core will not cope well if you want to play with that settings.
So you will have to lower the number of units to play the game with a Quad core. Still the game will be playable but nothing like having 1000 of units.

Edit,
You also missed the other part about Physics, it says every shot, every missile is "simulated". So, you will also have to lower Physics with a quad core in order to play the game.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Obviously a quad core will not cope well if you want to play with that settings.
So you will have to lower the number of units to play the game with a Quad core. Still the game will be playable but nothing like having 1000 of units.

Again, you make way premature and wrongful claims about something you have no idea about. You dont know if you can have 1000 units in the actual game. You dont know what his reference to 16 cores was.

I know its ugly time in the AMD camp. But no need to make up FUD.

 

[svenge]

I know its ugly time in the AMD camp. But no need to make up FUD.

Greeks are kinda famous for making up false numbers on demand, though. Whether it's grossly inaccurate economic reports to get into the Eurozone or wildly inflated forecasts of AMD's future performance, for once they are world market leader! Don't hate the player, hate the game

 

[froggermuted]

There's not a single game (including Crysis 3, The Witcher 3, GTA V, Watch Dogs) where Core i5 Skylake doesn't beat FX8350 according to Eurogamer and Hardware.fr. And in games where per core performance is more important than number of cores it leaves Vishera in the dust. Core i5 is and will continue to be the gamer's choice, DX12 or not.

budget gamer choice* not talking about amd but against other intel cpu.

 

[mikk]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2955...esents-for-gamers-and-enthusiasts.html?page=4


Sometimes 800-900 Gflops doesn't shine over a 400-500 Gflops GPU, except in 3dmark.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Greeks are kinda famous for making up false numbers on demand, though. Don't hate the player, hate the game

As an example, a quadcore 6700K is about 50% faster than a 8 core 8350 in CB for raw computational power.

So in this case, 4 cores = 12 cores in performance.

 

[AtenRa]

Again, you make way premature and wrongful claims about something you have no idea about. You dont know if you can have 1000 units in the actual game. You dont know what his reference to 16 cores was.

I know its ugly time in the AMD camp. But no need to make up FUD.

You are trying so hard to make this and AMD vs Intel, this is only about MultiCore CPUs from both companies. grow up.

 

[Tovarisc]

I hope this is right thread to ask this (if isn't, pls don't burn me on stake), but I have i5 6600K and Asus Z170-A in order with memory missing. My options are more or less 2x8GB 2666MHz with 2 weeks waiting time or 4x4GB 2666MHz with ~3 days waiting time. I guess my question is that is there any downside in getting 4x4 kit if we acknowledge that it makes future RAM amount increases harder to do?

Finland has super sucky DDR4 availability atm and German based stores take ~30€ for postage alone

itch to get build is real

 

[ShintaiDK]

You are trying so hard to make this and AMD vs Intel, this is only about MultiCore CPUs from both companies. grow up.

Its not me claiming Intel quadcores wont be enough based on nothing but unspecified data.

For the sake of argument his 16 cores could be in relation to an Opteron clocked at 2.xGhz. Meaning a quadcore 6700K would run in circles around those 16 cores. While a 6600K would be pretty close.

And thats even assuming perfect scaling that wont happen.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I hope this is right thread to ask this (if isn't, pls don't burn me on stake), but I have i5 6600K and Asus Z170-A in order with memory missing. My options are more or less 2x8GB 2666MHz with 2 weeks waiting time or 4x4GB 2666MHz with ~3 days waiting time. I guess my question is that is there any downside in getting 4x4 kit if we acknowledge that it makes future RAM amount increases harder to do?

Finland has super sucky DDR4 availability atm and German based stores take ~30&#8364; for postage alone

itch to get build is real

There is no difference as such. Tho the CAS latencies may be different.

But of course, with 4x4GB you already used all the slots.

If the CAS latencies are the same, I would wait the 3 days if I was you.

 

[coercitiv]

There is no difference as such. Tho the CAS latencies may be different.

Any difference in "stress" on the memory controller? As in, if overclocking or attempting to set tighter latencies, would it matter if all banks were filled?

 

[AtenRa]

Its not me claiming Intel quadcores wont be enough based on nothing but unspecified data.

For the sake of argument his 16 cores could be in relation to an Opteron clocked at 2.xGhz. Meaning a quadcore 6700K would run in circles around those 16 cores. While a 6600K would be pretty close.

I suggest you really watch this video again, forget the part he is talking about the 16 cores in Ashes Of Singularity and focus on the actual differences between DX-11 and DX-12 on the technical side.

A Quad core in a DX-12 games that will feature high volume of different units (think of GTAV and Assasins Creed Unity with 1000 or more NPCs advanced AI for all those units and higher physics) will lag behind vs a 8-12-16 core CPU even if the Quad has higher IPC or higher single thread performance.

Its the same as a Dual Core(G3258) vs Quad today, dual core in multithreaded games is way slower even when it is at 4.5GHz and the quad at 3.5GHz.

 

[Tovarisc]

There is no difference as such. Tho the CAS latencies may be different.

But of course, with 4x4GB you already used all the slots.

If the CAS latencies are the same, I would wait the 3 days if I was you.

Both kits are rated as CL15, they are Kingston HyperX Fury series. Store has 15-17-17 as latency for 4x4GB, no latency told for 2x8GB kit.

I know that with 4x4GB I use up all slots => expansion potential used up, but then going for 16GB should last me good amount of years as I use PC for college stuff and gaming. No heavy editing etc. for me.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Any difference in "stress" on the memory controller? As in, if overclocking or attempting to set tighter latencies, would it matter if all banks were filled?

I havent seen anything where 4 DIMMs was less successful than 2.

Assuming its not 1 DIMM being the limitation.

But maybe someone with more extreme OC knowledge can correct me.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Both kits are rated as CL15, they are Kingston HyperX Fury series. Store has 15-17-17 as latency for 4x4GB, no latency told for 2x8GB kit.

I know that with 4x4GB I use up all slots => expansion potential used up, but then going for 16GB should last me good amount of years as I use PC for college stuff and gaming. No heavy editing etc. for me.

15-17-17 isnt really something special at all. Wait for the 2x8GB.

Then its also easier to reuse in the future or resale.

No need to get 4x4GB over 2x8GB just for 3 days impatience.