Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[tential]

We'd talked last year about Apple transitioning it's line from intel chips over to their own chips. Looks like it's finally possible now.

 

[jpiniero]

Pretty sure Core M is GT2.

Well, Core M has HD 515. The 510 is GT1, right? It's also possible that the Pentiums that were meant to get GT1.5 got GT2 instead.

 

[tential]

Ian Cutress, Ph.D, the CPU editor of Anandtech did an interview on a twit show called The New Screensavers about the Skylake cpus and the new info we learned about them since IDF. Ian was on for about 20 minutes and I provided a link below at the exact spot the interview starts.

https://youtu.be/nHMwGYWOMGo?t=1660

For the people unfamiliar with TWIT, TWIT is an internet video and audio podcast network with like 2 dozen shows about technology and other entertainment and news fields. You can view twit shows on twit.tv, or you can subscribe and do automatic video or audio downloads, or you can watch them on youtube or ustream.

Can't even keep a straight face when mentioning Zen. That says it all .

Wow, Ian makes these guys look stupid. It's really hard watching them try and talk to him about this subject.

 

[Shivansps]

Well, Core M has HD 515. The 510 is GT1, right? It's also possible that the Pentiums that were meant to get GT1.5 got GT2 instead.

HD515 is GT2 look at the inf.

GT1.5 if it exists is on the 4405U, is the only chance, but is probably that is something that got cut out of every SKU.

There is a chance that GT1.5 is the IGP present on Apollo Lake, as already mentioned.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Ok, so the i3 + Pentium SKL CPUs drop at the end of Sept. in the USA. Is that true for the rest of the world too? Or do they already have them? I want to find out if you can overclock using BCLK, a locked SKL CPU. Surely, there must be some leaks if this were possible, by now, wouldn't there be?

 

[IntelUser2000]

If Apple is quoting GFXBench Manhattan Offscreen for their 2x GPU performance claim then it's going to be an interesting match, HD Graphics 530 can deliver more than double A8X performance in this benchmark but Core M's HD Graphics 515 operates at lower clocks (up to 1GHz vs up to 1.15GHz) so it's going to be close but A9X probably has a slight advantage.

Man, if that carries onto real applications, there's no chance that HD 515 is going to be even close to the A9X graphics.

On the Ivy Bridge and Haswell days, the Desktop GT2 variants outperformed 15W ones by 50%. Now, this is a 4.5W part. You may be talking about a 60%+ difference here. That means A9X graphics might turn out to be 60%+ faster than HD 515.

So much for Intel's advantage. This is exactly what I mean when Intel's 14nm claims don't live up to it in their products.

And for the CPU, even if the CPU gains are due to 50% core increase on A9 and 33% for the A9X, its still a huge increase. Compared to the pathetic 17% for the Skylake Core M. Who wouldn't love a Core M with 17% gains in general plus an extra core or two?

Intel's pampered by more than just monopolistic pricing. They've got the advantage of slacking off and not facing the full force of market economics(where they would have got bankrupt with a inferior product) because Windows usage is so wide and they allow practically no other competitor to use full x86. So even if the hardware is crap, the software is still very useful.

 

[Sweepr]

HD Graphics 5300 already scores ~34 FPS @ Manhattan Offscreen (inside the best designs like the Macbook 12'').
Gen 9 seems to provide a large boost in this benchmark (HD Graphics 530 scores close to 70 FPS) and Core m7-6Y75 operates at higher clocks (close to desktop parts theoretically, 1GHz vs 1.15GHz). If Skylake-Y can sustain these speeds (higher than Broadwell-Y) then yes, I do think it won't be far from A9X in this particular benchmark while still betaing it in most if not all relevant CPU tasks.

Also other benchmarks like 3DMark put Broadwell-Y comfortably ahead of A8X so we need different data to make conclusions about how their iGPUs compare.

 

[LTC8K6]

i5-6500 in stock at Tigerdirect....

 

[Sweepr]

New Core m3-6Y30 Geekbench score:
ST: 2485
MT: 4749

https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/3404121

The first Windows 64-bit retail score for this chip is already better than the fastest submission of its predecessor.

Best Windows 64-bit Core M-5Y10c score:
ST: 2187
MT: 4554

This is a low-end Core M, the fastest Skylake-Y version operates at 40-45% higher Turbo clocks. Can't wait to see how the best Core m7-6Y75 retail implementations perform.

 

[R0H1T]

New Core m3-6Y30 Geekbench score:
ST: 2485
MT: 4749

https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/3404121

The first Windows 64-bit retail score for this chip is already better than the fastest submission of its predecessor.

Best Windows 64-bit Core M-5Y10c score:
ST: 2187
MT: 4554

This is a low-end Core M, the fastest Skylake-Y version operates at 40-45% higher Turbo clocks. Can't wait to see how the best Core m7-6Y75 retail implementations perform.

Definitely not ~40% if that's what you're hinting, also the best core m3 score atm is a tad higher ~
https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/3404121

With win10 I expect it to cross 6K but only just ~
https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/2637682

 

[Sweepr]

Definitely not ~40% if that's what you're hinting, also the best core m3 score atm is a tad higher ~
https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/3404121

Same link as I provided, isn't it?

With win10 I expect it to cross 6K but only just ~
https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/2637682

That's a prototype, if Core m3-6Y30 scores ~2500 points @ ST running at (up to) 2.2GHz then Core m7-6Y75 (up to 3.1GHz) will be a lot better than this pre-launch score suggests.

 

[R0H1T]

Same link as I provided, isn't it?

You edited the post after I quoted you :ninja:

That's a prototype, if Core m3-6Y30 scores ~2500 points @ ST running at (up to) 2.2GHz then Core m7-6Y75 (up to 3.1GHz) will be a lot better than this pre-launch score suggests.

As for prototype, check the second score on the list ~ https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/search?dir=desc&q=6Y30&sort=multicore_score
It has single channel memory & win8.1 & see the top score, with dual channel memory & win10, then compare the two.

Admittedly though since it was run on 32bit OS & the corresponding version of geekbench, it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

 

[witeken]

Comment from Kirk about pricing:

Unidentified Analyst

You talked a little bit about how within in Notebooks, if we add in 2-in-1s actually the volumes are growing. But as we look at the rollout of your new Core M product line and we think about 2-in-1s expanding their share within that Notebook space, what will that mean for your ASPs and ultimately for your revenues.

Kirk Skaugen - Senior VP and General Manager, Client Computing Group
Without going in to a ton of detail, there are two things we are doing on pricing for 2-in-1s. For certain screen sizes we compete and we give competitive discounting to go compete with premium tablets. So traditionally in the smaller size detachables that are kind of a tablet first usage model where the screen detaches, we’ll give aggressive pricing.

But if we win business over for example an iPad where we don’t have any silicon, that’s all positive revenue to Intel because we didn’t have that if it’s a conversion from an iPad over in a larger screen size, which is like a 13-15 inch conversion over our pricing is the same as it is on Core.

So it’s just a trade-off the OEMs are making, do they want a thinner fanless system versus a thicker fan system, but we don’t have a difference in pricing there. So it will be the same --.

 

[losy]

i7 6600k and i7 6700k in stock here in Israel .

 

[Omar F1]

i7 6600k and i7 6700k in stock here in Israel .

In United Emirates as well (USD 370), I just ordered mine today.
Funny thing is, I kept searching around US/European sites, while in fact it was available near the house all that time.

 

[Spydermag68]

If you have a Microcenter near you I would suggest you look at the web site a couple of times on Friday and on Saturday morning. I snagged mine last Saturday online at 9AM and then picked it up later that day. since I was picking it up after ordering online I got to skip the check out line.

 

[Sweepr]

About Core M vs Apple A8X/A9X, people very often only look at Geekbench and GFXBench, but there are other benchmarks too:

Different browsers but still a very significant ST performance advantage for Broadwell-Y. This Dell tablet is not even the best showing for Core M, the 12'' Macbook and ASUS convertibles often perform better and we already know Skylake-Y is more agressively clocked.

Broadwell-Y (Macbook 12'') delivering almost twice A8X graphics score.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Its quite clear on the physics score. When computational work is in question, the A8X falls so far behind its Atom speed. Its only doing good when it can use its memory bandwidth and caches.

 

[Sweepr]

Its quite clear on the physics score. When computational work is in question, the A8X falls so far behind its Atom speed. Its only doing good when it can use its memory bandwidth and caches.

If we were to believe Geekbench Exynos 7420 is just as fast a Core i5 5200U while A9X should beat 28W Haswell-U inside the 13'' Macbook Pro (2014) and smoke 35W Carrizo (MT scores). I don't think so.

 

[Sweepr]

DivX HEVC Hardware Acceleration: Test Results on Intel Skylake

DivX performed some tests with Skylake-Y.

This is a significant milestone to improve the experience of playing HEVC video, especially at high resolutions like 4K. This experience is particularly improved on the newly released 6th Generation Intel Core processor family (“Skylake&#8221, which uses the dedicated media processing capabilities of Intel Graphics Technology.

The 4th and 5th Generations Intel Core Processor families (“Haswell” and “Broadwell&#8221 offer a form of improved HEVC video playback through partial hardware acceleration support. However, the 6th Generation Intel processors offers full fixed-function decode through Intel® Quick Sync Video that offers high performance decode while also enabling the processor to complete other tasks, improving overall PC performance and responsiveness.

Platform Tested:

System Model: Skylake Client platform
Processor: Skylake 0.80GHz (4 CPUs), ~1.2GHz
Memory: 8192MB RAM
Graphics: Intel® HD Graphics 515
Graphics Driver Version: 10.18.15.4200
Operating System: Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview 64-bit

http://labs.divx.com/hevc-hwaccel-skylake

 

[ShintaiDK]

Thats really nice to see when I am waiting for a Skylake NUC for HTPC

 

[zir_blazer]

I'm repeating this question, again:

Do someone knows already if its possible to overclock via Base Clock Multiplier Locked Skylakes? What about non-Z Motherboards? A budget combo with a cheap Pentium and a mid range Motherboard (Low end Chipset with strong VRMs) could be a rather popular choice.

Tyan announced two Motherboard lines that will support Xeons E3 V5, the S5545 S5545AG2NR-HE (Workstation) and S5546 S5546GM3NR-HE (Server with IPMI), both with Chipset C236 (There is also a S5545 S5545AG2NR but with Q170 instead).
Advantech has also two Motherboards for Xeons E3 V5, the ASMB-585 mATX (Datasheet) and ASMB-785 ATX (Datasheet), both with C236 too.

The interesing part is that they are actually saying a few Xeon E3 V5 models that will be released:

Xeon E3-1225 v5 / 4 Cores / 3.3 GHz / 6 MB Cache L3
Xeon E3-1268L v5 / 4 Cores / 2.4 GHz / 8 MB Cache L3
Xeon E3-1275 v5 / 4 Cores / 3.6 GHz / 8 MB Cache L3
Core i5-6500 / 4 Cores / 3.2 GHz / 6 MB Cache L3
Core i5-6500TE / 4 Cores / 2.3 GHz / 6 MB Cache L3
Core i7-6700 / 4 Cores / 3.4 GHz / 8 MB Cache L3
Core i7-6700TE / 4 Cores / 2.4 GHz / 8 MB Cache L3

They should be coming out soon.

 

[Burpo]

Asus disclaimer

*BCLK overclocking range will vary according to CPU capabilities, cooling, motherboard support and tuning options. Ranges up to 650MHz are possible under select conditions.

 

[North01]

Dell XPS 12:

Source: GIGA

 

[escrow4]

Thats really nice to see when I am waiting for a Skylake NUC for HTPC

HEVC Main Profile NOT High Profile. Think Anandtech might have mentioned it.