Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

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ShintaiDK

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I'm repeating this question, again:



Tyan announced two Motherboard lines that will support Xeons E3 V5, the S5545 S5545AG2NR-HE (Workstation) and S5546 S5546GM3NR-HE (Server with IPMI), both with Chipset C236 (There is also a S5545 S5545AG2NR but with Q170 instead).
Advantech has also two Motherboards for Xeons E3 V5, the ASMB-585 mATX (Datasheet) and ASMB-785 ATX (Datasheet), both with C236 too.

The interesing part is that they are actually saying a few Xeon E3 V5 models that will be released:

Xeon E3-1225 v5 / 4 Cores / 3.3 GHz / 6 MB Cache L3
Xeon E3-1268L v5 / 4 Cores / 2.4 GHz / 8 MB Cache L3
Xeon E3-1275 v5 / 4 Cores / 3.6 GHz / 8 MB Cache L3
Core i5-6500 / 4 Cores / 3.2 GHz / 6 MB Cache L3
Core i5-6500TE / 4 Cores / 2.3 GHz / 6 MB Cache L3
Core i7-6700 / 4 Cores / 3.4 GHz / 8 MB Cache L3
Core i7-6700TE / 4 Cores / 2.4 GHz / 8 MB Cache L3

They should be coming out soon.

Nice find! Shame they didnt leak the turbo frequency too. The 1275 looks like a beefed up 6700. And 8MB=HT on.
 

zir_blazer

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Nice find! Shame they didnt leak the turbo frequency too. The 1275 looks like a beefed up 6700. And 8MB=HT on.
The sweet spot would be the cheapest model that has all the goodies enabled. In Haswell/Haswell Refresh, it was the Xeon E3-1245V3/1246V3, which was around the price of the Core i7 4770/4771/4790. I suppose that a possible Skylake Xeon E3-1245V5 will follow suit.
And particularily for Skylake, for as long that you can do Base Clock overclocks, such a Xeon would be THE model to get. Since with a 30x Multiplier you can get to 5 GHz with a 170 MHz Base Clock, considering early claims that the Chipset clock generator should be able to go all the way to 250 MHz, it should be a consistent overclocking result, so there is no point on getting a K Processor at all if you can get same overall results via Base Clock.
The only thing I fear is that Intel do something similar to what happened with Broadwell Xeons E3 V4, where the cheapest Xeon model was MORE expensive than the Core i7 5775C.
 

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The interesing part is that they are actually saying a few Xeon E3 V5 models that will be released:

Xeon E3-1225 v5 / 4 Cores / 3.3 GHz / 6 MB Cache L3
Xeon E3-1268L v5 / 4 Cores / 2.4 GHz / 8 MB Cache L3
Xeon E3-1275 v5 / 4 Cores / 3.6 GHz / 8 MB Cache L3
That's a 100 MHz increase of base clock over the v3 (22 nm Haswell) variants. I find it odd that the 1225 v5 has only 6MB of L3 given that the v3 already had 8MB, perhaps a typo.

If Intel kept the naming consistent (I hope so, it already is messy enough :biggrin both E3-1268L and E3-1275 should have HT, but not E3-1225.

v3 is here: http://ark.intel.com/compare/75461,75467,75464
 

zir_blazer

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Technically its a ZERO increase in Frequency since the 1225V3 and 1275V3 were replaced by the 1226V3 and 1276V3 Haswell Refresh that were 100 MHz faster and identical priced.
Also, there was a very early 1225V3 Stepping that had Hyper Threading enabled, SR14U. 220 U$D or so for all the features that LGA 1150 (Except for the Unlocked Multiplier) had to offer was a killer deal. Shame that Devil's Canyon came and offered a better package than standard Haswell/Haswell Refresh, that killed a bit of the Xeon E3 appeal.
 
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Sweepr

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Dell XPS 12:




Source: GIGA

Looks like a very nice device. 4K screen with 1200:1 contrast ratio. I wonder which CPU they are using, Skylake-Y or Skylake-U?
Microsoft Surface Pro 4, Lenovo Miix 700, Dell XPS 12, what's next for premium convertibles?
 
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So I take it the mainstream/affordable CPU's are set to launch September 27th?

Or was that just Asia? Any confirmation?

Earlier was on Newegg just window-shopping and out of curiosity veered off into Intel M/B section to browse, apparently the low-end B150 M/B's are already on sale.
 
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Sweepr

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Some new info:

The lineup of new Intel "Skylake" microprocessors for desktop and mobile PCs, including Core branded and Pentium branded models, has been announced on September 1st. Overall, the company disclosed information on 46 SKUs, including 18 desktop parts. The desktop processors already began shipping in Asia, but none of them are available in US stores yet. That will change in about two weeks, as, according to our sources, the official sale date for Skylake desktop CPUs in US and Europe is September 27.

The Skylake announcement provided complete specifications of Core and Pentium models, and briefly noted that "Intel Celeron processors will be available early next year". Although we do not know the specs of future dekstop Celerons yet, we do know that Intel is readying three models, G3900, G3920 and low power G3900T. The CPUs are expected to launch in the first quarter of 2016.

We already reported on the launch schedule of mobile "H", "U" and "Y" processors with HD 5xxx graphics. Depending on model, they will be available in September, October or November of this year. Mobile "U" microprocessors with Iris 5xx graphics are on the roadmap for Q1 2016. Mobile Celerons will be also launched in the first quarter of 2016.

www.cpu-world.com/news_2015/2015091...availability_Skylake_Celerons_in_Q1_2016.html
 

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Intel: Over 800 “Skylake”-based mobile PC designs are incoming

Intel Corp. has done a lot to make its new code-named “Skylake” family of central processing units very competitive across all market segments they will eventually serve. The company also rolled-out an extremely broad lineup of such CPUs for various mobile computers and plans to expand it in the future. According to Intel, there are over 800 different mobile PC models with “Skylake” microprocessors incoming.
“We have unprecedented [amount of] design [wins with ‘Skylake’], more than 800 system designs are coming to market,” said Kirk Skaugen, senior vice president and general manager of Intel’s client computing group, at Citigroup’s global technology conference. “It is probably hard to put it into perspective without putting a denominator, but that is absolutely unprecedented. 48 different [mobile] processors are launching across every form-factor you can imagine.”



www.kitguru.net/desktop-pc/anton-shilov/intel-over-800-skylake-based-mobile-pc-designs-are-incoming
 

witeken

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How about that whole no wires thing? Delayed to add as a "new" feature with Kabylake?
 

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The 2 in 1 design that intel is excited about is literally the reason I'm excited for every single launch of intel processors. Every improvement in battery life, GPU perf, and CPU makes these devices more and more viable.
 
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Do they really need 48 processors? Reminds of General Motors in the 80s and 90s. So many models that all it did was confuse the consumer and increase production costs. And all of that with no mainstream increase in core count, and marginal performance increases.
 

tential

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Do they really need 48 processors? Reminds of General Motors in the 80s and 90s. So many models that all it did was confuse the consumer and increase production costs. And all of that with no mainstream increase in core count, and marginal performance increases.

They have the high end Xeon Mobile processors.
The Gaming Skylake Processors
The normal skylake processors for the average laptop.
The Ultra low power skylake processor for ultra slim laptops.
And then even lower power ones for tablets and low end tablets

So ya, I think they need 48 to hit each of those markets at varying price points.

It's all about mobile my friend, you're worrying about core count and performance increase. That's enthusiast talk which of course is relevant here.

Me, I'm worrying about battery life, 2in1s, etc.

I'm not buying a new computing device because of an increase in core count from intel. I couldn't really care less. I'm buying a 2 in 1 because it's got good battery life, it's fast enough, and decent GPU performance for some gaming. Intel already has the high end locked up for now. THey don't have the low power end locked up, and they'll get people like me and others who want consumption devices like ipads and things to purchase their processors as they get more mobile options.

Sorry, core count doesn't matter to the vast majority of applications/consumers.... Most consumer applications wouldn't scale with a 6 Ghz skylake processor out....

Most consumers would be happy with double the battery life though
 
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They have the high end Xeon Mobile processors.
The Gaming Skylake Processors
The normal skylake processors for the average laptop.
The Ultra low power skylake processor for ultra slim laptops.
And then even lower power ones for tablets and low end tablets

So ya, I think they need 48 to hit each of those markets at varying price points.

It's all about mobile my friend, you're worrying about core count and performance increase. That's enthusiast talk which of course is relevant here.

Me, I'm worrying about battery life, 2in1s, etc.

I'm not buying a new computing device because of an increase in core count from intel. I couldn't really care less. I'm buying a 2 in 1 because it's got good battery life, it's fast enough, and decent GPU performance for some gaming. Intel already has the high end locked up for now. THey don't have the low power end locked up, and they'll get people like me and others who want consumption devices like ipads and things to purchase their processors as they get more mobile options.

Sorry, core count doesn't matter to the vast majority of applications/consumers.... Most consumer applications wouldn't scale with a 6 Ghz skylake processor out....

Most consumers would be happy with double the battery life though

I understand what you are saying. However, intel just stubbornly seems to be trying to force the market to 1000.00 plus devices that have performance not that much better (or for coreM, probably worse) than my old work laptop from like 2009. Just not sure how many are willing to pay for that, especially since there are android tablets, cheap windows tablets, and smartphones that can do most of what an ultrabook or expensive 2 in 1 can do.

As far as battery life, yes, it is important, but I am certainly not going to pay 1000.00 for even double battery life. 90% of the time my laptop is plugged in anyway. It is nice to be able to take it from one room to another, or from one place to another at work, but when I get there, I just plug it in. Now there is a market for long battery life, like business travelers, etc., but even then i bet most of their time is spent on smartphones, not ultrabooks, when they are on the go.
 

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How about that whole no wires thing? Delayed to add as a "new" feature with Kabylake?

I'm kinda guessing that both the wireless docking and wireless power will end up coming out together. And my guess as to the reason why we haven't heard anything would be that magnetic resonance charging is still caught up in the federal approvals process? Checking the A4WP site, only one solution has been certified thus far, and that was done about three months ago.
 

tential

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I understand what you are saying. However, intel just stubbornly seems to be trying to force the market to 1000.00 plus devices that have performance not that much better (or for coreM, probably worse) than my old work laptop from like 2009. Just not sure how many are willing to pay for that, especially since there are android tablets, cheap windows tablets, and smartphones that can do most of what an ultrabook or expensive 2 in 1 can do.

As far as battery life, yes, it is important, but I am certainly not going to pay 1000.00 for even double battery life. 90% of the time my laptop is plugged in anyway. It is nice to be able to take it from one room to another, or from one place to another at work, but when I get there, I just plug it in. Now there is a market for long battery life, like business travelers, etc., but even then i bet most of their time is spent on smartphones, not ultrabooks, when they are on the go.
Intel is in cheap tablets down to 100-150. That's my father's primary device now and he'll upgrade it if it has significant improvements in battery life and performance..
You're thinking like an enthusiast who would use a work laptop from 2009 because the performance is good. I do too.
But when it comes to consuming things? I want one of the 100-150 tablets as well so I could type this message on that instead of my phone since I hate using my phone and killing battery life when I need it for actual texting/calling.
 

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Asrock unveils mainboard for ‘Skylake’ with DDR3 and DDR4 memory slots



Asrock has quietly unveiled a unique mainboard for Intel Corp.’s latest processors code-named “Skylake”, which features both DDR3 and DDR4 memory slots. The motherboard is an affordable platform, but it can be used to build rather high-performance personal computers for gaming.

The Asrock B150M Combo-G mainboard for Intel “Skylake” processors in LGA1151 packaging is based on the Intel B150 core-logic, which features modern functionality, but does not support overclocking of central processing units. The micro-ATX motherboard is built on high-density glass fabric printed circuit board and features six-phase digital voltage regulator module with high-quality solid-state inductors.

The new motherboard from Asrock can work with DDR3/DDR3L and DDR4 memory modules, but not simultaneously. Compatibility with two types of dynamic random access memory is the key feature of the platform. The B150M Combo-G mainboard is equipped with two PCI Express x16 slots, one PCI Express x1 slot, six Serial ATA-6Gb/s ports, one SATA Express port, six USB 3.0 connectors, Intel Gigabit Ethernet controller, 7.1-channel audio based on the ALC887 audio codec with ELNA capacitors and so on.

www.kitguru.net/components/motherbo...r-skylake-cpus-with-ddr3-and-dd4-memory-slots
 

Sweepr

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Xeon E3-1200 / E3-1500 v5 Lineup + Roadmap










Intel NUC Roadmap










http://iyd.kr/775


BGA Skylake 4C/8T with GT4e launching in Q1-2016.
Low-power 4C+GT2 25W and 4C+GT4e 35W models.
Core i7 Skylake NUC in early 2016.

Skylake 4C+GT4e vs Broadwell 4C+GT3e: 20% better CPU performance, 40% better iGPU performance. Hard to read, but I think it's right.

Note that Skylake 4C+GT2 delivers 16% better CPU performance than Broadwell 4C+GT3e, so 65W Skylake 4C+GT4e could end up faster than 80W Skylake 4C+GT2 @ CPU tasks.
 
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ShintaiDK

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Damn, seems my NUC is moved to october/november. On the other hand SO-DIMM DDR4 is in sort supply currently.
 
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