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DrMrLordX

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It's Intel's job to please their shareholders, even if it means sodomizing their customers.



That's a fair point. I imagine most are still using Haswell Refresh at this point, and if the move is made to go to 10, going to Skylake at the same time makes sense. But there's no guarantee that 10 is going to get any kind of corporate adoption so unless Intel wants to sell Haswell Refresh until 2020 Intel can't just abandon 7 so quickly even if MS is trying their hardest to force 10 down people's throats.

Actually, I expect that most 7 users are on Nehalem or Sandy Bridge machines, or something of those generations. Most new hardware buyers are going to be getting a new OS license. Us enthusiasts are anomolous.
 
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Windows 7 doesn't work on tablets/2in1. What do you think businesses install there? Do you think they reinstall Surface Books with Windows 7?

Its no different on the Mac side, what to use latest office? Yosemite is the minimum.

o365 alone makes a lot of companies move if they didn't already.

Well, there are a lot of other computers besides tablets and 2 in ones. I work for a very large university, and we buy mostly laptops and desktops. And yes, all new hardware is re-formatted with Win 7.
 

escrow4

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Well, there are a lot of other computers besides tablets and 2 in ones. I work for a very large university, and we buy mostly laptops and desktops. And yes, all new hardware is re-formatted with Win 7.

ROFL. Its not 2009 no more. You buy fresh working likely Win 10 hardware with Win 10 drivers . . . . . . and then install creaky old 7 on it. I'd say 8 was more buggy than 10 on release. Now with the 1511 release no reason not to be using it.
 

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He's kinda right, though. Win7 is quite common.

That being said, how common is Win7 on Skylake hardware? That's the relevant question. Answer: not very.

Considering that Microsoft ended retail sales on Windows 7 boxed copy on October 31, 2013 and retail PC sales on October 31, 2014 some people in this thread are ridiculous expecting Intel to provide proper driver support for it on a 2015 product as no retail Skylake system can even come installed with Windows 7 on it.
 

mv2devnull

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"Re-format" sounds like a lot of work. What you actually have is an image that contains your entire software stack and configuration and you simply "drop/clone" it to every machine. Vendors have installed "Home OEM" and you would still have to configure it on first boot. Cloning the "Enterprise" image is actually less work and the PC can join the domain immediately.

Moving into a new version (of Windows) requires creating and testing a new image and installing it into *every* existing machine, because all[1] must be uniformly in the same domain. Windows 7 did replace XP only when the XP had to be abandoned, not a long ago and it was a hurdle and many old PC's simply could not run 7. When the average age of hardware in the organization tends to be several years, all new and shiny simply isn't feasible. For good or bad, it takes time before the available products of contract vendors (like HP and Dell) contain latest hardware.


[1] All except vendor locked control machines of instruments, and those PC's should be in isolated subnet with no INET access.
 

AtenRa

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Lots of companies got new PCs/Laptops with Win 8.1 and downgraded them to Win 7 for compatibility reasons. The majority of corporate today operates Win 7 still.
 

Fjodor2001

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Lots of companies got new PCs/Laptops with Win 8.1 and downgraded them to Win 7 for compatibility reasons. The majority of corporate today operates Win 7 still.
Yes, and that goes for new computers they buy too. That's why they often run Windows 7 on those as well. They want to have the same OS version across all computers if possible. Easier for support and maintenance that way.

Also, remember that Windows 10 is still a very new OS. It was released less than 6 months ago. Companies generally prefer using established OS:es where more bugs and problems have been resolved. There is little benefit for them in them using the latest bleeding edge OS versions. Let the early adopters and enthusiasts deal with that and wait until the OS is more stable. That's how most companies reason.
 

ShintaiDK

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Companies moved to Windows 7 really quickly. People have all sorts of weird notions what triggers and dont trigger corporate OS moves.

With OSX they also upgrade left and right.
 

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I don't understand the mentality of putting dGPUs with equal performance to iGPU in some laptop models.

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Dell-Inspiron-17-5759-5118-Notebook.156146.0.html

This one has AMD R5 M335 which is more or less the same performance-wise as HD 520 with dual-channel RAM.

The last time this happened was Lenovo putting GT610 with HD4000, the dGPU was arguably superfluous as it was hardly faster than HD4000.

The manufacturers are still thinking dGPUs are always better than iGPU or what?
 
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Dresdenboy

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Companies moved to Windows 7 really quickly. People have all sorts of weird notions what triggers and dont trigger corporate OS moves.

It depends. We have a 2 year leasing cycle. And the installed customized client also needs months until approved. So I got the first Win 7 notebook in 2011.
 
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I don't understand the mentality of putting dGPUs with equal performance to iGPU in some laptop models.

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Dell-Inspiron-17-5759-5118-Notebook.156146.0.html

This one has AMD R5 M335 which is more or less the same performance-wise as HD 520 with dual-channel RAM.

The last time this happened was Lenovo putting GT610 with HD4000, the dGPU was arguably superfluous as it was hardly faster than HD4000.

The manufacturers are still thinking dGPUs are always better than iGPU or what?

I agree, but using a dgpu lets more of the tdp to be used by the cpu.
 

VirtualLarry

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Considering that Microsoft ended retail sales on Windows 7 boxed copy on October 31, 2013 and retail PC sales on October 31, 2014 some people in this thread are ridiculous expecting Intel to provide proper driver support for it on a 2015 product as no retail Skylake system can even come installed with Windows 7 on it.

You conveniently forgot to mention that Microsoft still sells Windows 7 Professional OEM. And, while I have no first-hand knowledge of it, I'm pretty certain that they still sell Windows 7 Enterprise site-licenses too.
 

Maxima1

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This one has AMD R5 M335 which is more or less the same performance-wise as HD 520 with dual-channel RAM.

The last time this happened was Lenovo putting GT610 with HD4000, the dGPU was arguably superfluous as it was hardly faster than HD4000.

The manufacturers are still thinking dGPUs are always better than iGPU or what?
DUH!!! Because they know customers are ignorant.

Look at this, for example:

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2858671/games-radeon-m335-ram.html

"Ok so i am about to uy a new lap will thia run fallout new vegas and skyrim
16gb ram
intel core i7 6500u 2.5 ghz

Radeon R5 M335 4b"

"I have a new laptop with
16 Gb ram
4 GB AMD Radeon R5 M335 (on board intel Hd graphics 520)
i7 6500u @2.50 ghz 2.59 ghz
I cant even run CSGO on ultra low, where i reach about 20 FPS. IS there a way to dedicate more RAM to a program or is there a flaw in my computer?
What should I Do? "

Even my 2013 model Latitude will do better than this with games.
 

Burpo

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If you want help, you should do is start your own thread in General Hardware or Computer Help..
 
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ShintaiDK

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You conveniently forgot to mention that Microsoft still sells Windows 7 Professional OEM. And, while I have no first-hand knowledge of it, I'm pretty certain that they still sell Windows 7 Enterprise site-licenses too.

MS sells a "any version" Windows license to the enterprise. You cant buy Windows 7 licenses from MS anymore. You can only buy Windows 10 in the Microsoft Store as well.
 
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You are still skirting the issue that enterprise users still could buy skylake systems and revert them to Win 7 in order to be compatible with the rest of the network.
 

ShintaiDK

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They could do many things. But anything touch based and Windows 7 is out the window.

A company will simply run Windows 10 and so on newer devices.

Anyone working in Enterprise IT knows this.
 
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Well, anybody who works on our network knows they use Win 7. Why is it so hard for you to accept that Intel might actually need to improve their drivers instead of blaming the users?
 

ShintaiDK

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And if they use Windows 7 they also have the expectations that follow.

The issue is rather people wanting the full monty on an old partial supported platform.
 

JoJoman88

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Ha! At my company, Win 7 is the new Enterprise IT. I think the lease cycle in 1H 2014 finally brought all PC's up to Win 7. I know my PC at the start of 2014 was still running XP Pro even though it had Win 7 sticker on the PC. At the rate these guys move, I don't see Win 10 being the Enterprise IT until 2017 maybe even 2018.
 

PPB

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So now dGPU users should expect crappy drivers from AMD and NVidia if they are running the "legacy" OS, W7 on their latest GPUS? Is this some kind of lame joke?

That argument is absurd and only shows the blue tinted glasses some "posters" have in this subforum.

If Intel wants to play ball in the GPU bussiness, they should start having better driver support. And by better driver support, I mean a driver that doesnt randomly crash under the first or second most used Windows OS, W7.
 
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