Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

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Sweepr

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zir_blazer said:
I'm dying to get proof if they are really better binned, the time is coming. And if its true than the previous generations were actually soldered instead of classic TIM, they would have been even better if Xeon overclocking would have been available before. That alone is a hefty advantage.

Can't wait to see Xeon E3 v5 OCing.
 

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Kabylake Client Platform shows up @ SiSoftware
Early Kabylake-Y samples?


ASUS, MSI said non-Z170 motherboards modified to support BCLK overclock might lose HT and C-states. Meanwhile ASRock says their recently announced motherboards will only lose support for Turbo Boost and C-states. As shown by SuperMicro with their C7H170-M (first model to allow Skylake non-K OCs), it is possible to overclock HT-enabled CPUs a H170 motherboard without losing the extra threads.

According to ASRock these MBs will be cheaper than low-end Z170 MBs, so might be worth taking a look if you're on a limited budget.

www.tomshardware.com/news/overclocking-with-non-z170-chipsets,30962.html#xtor=RSS-999
www.tomshardware.com/news/asrock-non-z170-chipset-overclock,30915.html#xtor=RSS-181


Integrated CPU graphics are catching up with discrete graphics cards, says Intel



“We have improved graphics 30 times what they were five years ago,” Bryant said during a speech at a J.P. Morgan forum last week at CES.

He said that the top-level graphics processors integrated in Intel’s chips, called Iris and Iris Pro, can outperform 80 percent of discrete graphics chips.However he thinks that Intel has done quite a poor job of communicating the benefits of integrated graphics.

Either way, gaming PCs are the fastest growing segment in the PC market and becoming more important for Intel, Bryant said. Intel is targeting this market with its top-line gaming Core chips that can be overclocked at desktops with discrete GPUs.

www.pcworld.com/article/3021496/har...graphics-catching-up-with-graphics-cards.html

And Skylake's Iris Pro 580 (GT4e) raises the bar once again. Assuming ~1.1 GHz turbo clocks we're talking nearly 1.3 teraFLOPS (peak shader FLOPS) at 45W TDP.

Intel is slowly introducing Iris to mainstream, I'm fairly certain Skylake-U GT3e got more design wins than any previous eDRAM based design. The Core i5 Swift Canyon NUC and Core i7 Surface Pro 4 were first. Soon the new Macbook and select versions of popular Windows-based notebooks like Dell's XPS 13 will offer it too.
 
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IntelUser2000

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That's changing in Skylake according to the Anandtech article, so it should be four generations.

It was inevitable, although they seem to be doing it to an extreme form nowadays. That is, segmentation.

If you are talking from an enthusiast point of view, then it doesn't make a big difference. It's a lockdown anyway.

Intel knows their chips, unfortunately they are using that knowledge to the worst possible.

He said that the top-level graphics processors integrated in Intel’s chips, called Iris and Iris Pro, can outperform 80 percent of discrete graphics chips.However he thinks that Intel has done quite a poor job of communicating the benefits of integrated graphics.
Its in practice nonexistent.

If they want VOLUME, they should have put a GT4e in a Core i3 6100 and price it cheaper than the discrete graphics variant. $219 should do it. You save money. Yes the drivers are shoddy and they treat it as HD Audio, bland and uninteresting for gaming but people will get it for perf/$.

You advance technology by *pushing* boundaries, not making new tech ever higher in price. $2000 for a iGPU part(I am looking at you SP4!) is ridiculous. We should have seen a laptop where a Core i5 6200U device say costs $500, and a Core i7 6560U would be $650. People would get it, heck yeah.*

Or a $999 Core i5 Ultrabook with $1199 Core i7 Iris 540 option. There's only a $110 price difference between a Core i5 6200U and Core i7 6560U according to the official pricing page. If the company gets it cheaper from Intel and marks it up to sell it to you and make money, the pricing difference should roughly reflect what ARK says.

*But nooo, the manufacturers and Intel use a clever trick where you put the Iris parts ONLY in an expensive device. It seems there's an unspoken rule you can't use top tier SKU on a cheaper device. If you can't use a still crappy(but better) GPU at a cheap laptop that's more in fitting with the performance, what's the point?
 
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"However he thinks that Intel has done quite a poor job of communicating the benefits of integrated graphics."

Wonder if that's anything to do with Iris Pro Skylake CPUs not being readily available or in products on general sale?

Is Intel going to sing Iris praises too loud yet for this drawn out delayed launch of integrated graphics CPUs?

As for manufacturers putting Iris (Pro) in cheaper products - many a manufacturer has been chided for eg using cheaper trackpads in Windows laptops just to save a few cents- a few dollars. Cheaper products have much more price sensitivity and I'd imagine there is less of a market for lower quality products that are more expensive just because they have a better CPU in. The buyer who wants a better CPU would possibly also want better components throughout the device not just the CPU?
 

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Looks like Skylake-K is selling well even at inflated prices. I don't see Intel giving up this segment to AMD without a fight.

Intel has record sales of Core i7 and K-model processors in declining CPU market

In the last quarter of 2015 Intel has seen its revenue for client processors drop by 8% due to a declining market, however high-end PCs seem to make a comeback or are more popular then ever as they increased their sales in this segment with the high-end Core i7 processors.

Especially the 14nm based K models like the 6600K and 6700K sold extremely well. With good news comes bad news, the high demand of flagship processors has an effect. As a direct result the average direct sales price of these SKUs went up by a good 17% compared to 2014.

Intel: Even though the Client Computing Group ended the full year down 8%, we were excited to see that we were able to grow sequentially in the second and third and fourth quarters. As of November, 14 nanometer products made up more than 50% of the Client Computing volume. For the year, high-end Core i7 microprocessors and our K SKUs for gaming, both set all-time volume records, leading to our rich product mix. [...]

www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-has...model-processors-in-declining-cpu-market.html


Hello EVGA Skylake non-K BCLK overclocking:

EVGA motherboard BIOS update lets you overclock non-overclockable Skylake CPUs

Another motherboard maker just joined the overclocking revolution for cheaper, non-K series Intel Skylake chips, following in the footsteps of ASRock, Biostar, and others.

EVGA published a BIOS update for Z170 motherboards late Thursday night that allows base clock overclocking on non-K CPUs. The BIOS 1.07 update can be downloaded directly from EVGA’s site. The only Intel chips that officially allow overclocking are designated by a “K” at the end of its part number; this motherboard BIOS update allows you to boost the performance of all the Skylake chips that don’t end in “K.”

BTW, have you guys read Intel's response?

Back in December, Intel told PCWorld that it does not “recommend overclocking processors that have not been designed to do so. Intel does not warranty the operation of the processor beyond its specifications.”

If you ask me that sounds like, “we don’t want you to do it, but if you do you’re on your own.” For seasoned overclockers, though, that’s familiar territory.

www.pcworld.com/article/3023046/har...overclock-non-overclockable-skylake-cpus.html

I agree with PCWorld, sounds like they still want us to buy the K chips, but they are not willing to put an end to OCing via BCLK.


Gigabyte Launch X170 and X150 motherboards for Xeon CPUs with ECC memory support



Gigabyte Launch X170 and X150 motherboards for Intel Skylake Xeon CPUs with ECC memory support. These motherboards are based upon Intel's C236 and C232 chipsets, but have been renamed to X170 and X150 in order to attract gamers to the platform.

For many years a lot of gamers have purchased XEON CPUs instead of their desktop equivalents in an effort to save money, losing out on Intel's integrated graphics and higher clocks speeds and overclockability to fit a new Intel CPU into their budget. [...]

www.overclock3d.net/articles/cpu_ma...oards_for_xeon_cpus_with_ecc_memory_support/1


Last but not least, finally some cheaper Skylake-Y convertibles. Half the price of the Core m3 based Surface Pro 4.

Cube i9 is a 12.2 inch Windows tablet with Core M Skylake



...Cube’s new tablet features an Intel Core m3-6Y30 Skylake processor, a USB 3.1 Type-C connector, a microSD card reader, and a 5,000 mAh battery. It has a 5MP rear camera and a 2MP rear camera, supports WiFi and Bluetooth, and the tablet sports a magnesium-alloy case.

The Cube i9 goes on sale in China this month for 2,999 yuan, or about $455 US. That makes it kind of expensive for a Chinese tablet, but the Cube i9 is roughly half the price of an entry-level Microsoft Surface Pro 4 with a Core M3 processor (and a higher-resolution display, among other premium features).

Cube tablets have a way of finding their way overseas, where they’re usually sold for slightly higher prices. I suspect you’ll be able to pick up the Cube i9 in the US for around $500 in the not too distant future.

http://liliputing.com/2016/01/cube-i9-is-a-12-2-inch-windows-tablet-with-core-m-skylake.html
 
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Its what I kept saying. Record sales of K and GTX

Skylake K CPUs sold like hotcakes with a solid Haswell backing.
 

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Its what I kept saying. Record sales of K and GTX

Skylake K CPUs sold like hotcakes with a solid Haswell backing.

Skylake's overclocking potential, best-in-class single-thread performance and up to date platform features are really compelling. As a Haswell-E owner, I wouldn't mind a 4.8GHz+ Core i7-6700K rig.

Asking again, could Intel release >95W TDP LGA115X CPUs?
Assuming Kabylake-S is another quad-core (possibly new architecture) running on a mature 14nm process, an agressively clocked part @ close to 4.5 GHz would be really nice. Could be a special edition, while Core i7-6700K gets a slightly lower clocked successor. If they can release a low-volume 5.1GHz Broadwell-E part, then why not?


Finally got a bios for my motherboard. First try 4.35 ghz on the i5 6500 will play with it more

Nice, keep us updated.
 
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Skylake's overclocking potential, best-in-class single-thread performance and up to date platform features are really compelling. As a Haswell-E owner, I wouldn't mind a 4.8GHz+ Core i7-6700K rig.

Asking again, could Intel release >95W TDP LGA115X CPUs?
Assuming Kabylake-S is another quad-core (possibly new architecture) running on a mature 14nm process, an agressively clocked part @ close to 4.5 GHz would be really nice. Could be a special edition, while Core i7-6700K gets a slightly lower clocked successor. If they can release a low-volume 5.1GHz Broadwell-E part, then why not?

Nice, keep us updated.

What would be the point if you can buy a K model and overclock it to 4.5? I suppose if they specially bin it and you can consistently overclock to 5plus ghz there might a place for it. I would much rather see a mainstream hex core though. Instant 50% increase in performance while pushing clocks can give you what, maybe 10% extra?
 

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What would be the point if you can buy a K model and overclock it to 4.5? I suppose if they specially bin it and you can consistently overclock to 5plus ghz there might a place for it.

Guaranteed 24/7 4.5GHz and potentially higher OCs on air/water. Some people are willing to pay more for this. I also expect Intel to counter Summit Ridge with some high-clocked 4C/8T parts and lower priced 6C/12T HEDT. That is, assuming Zen is not another overhyped AMD failure.


I would much rather see a mainstream hex core though. Instant 50% increase in performance while pushing clocks can give you what, maybe 10% extra?

You're not alone here, but according to the leaked SKUs those are not coming till Cannonlake (earliest) so there's no point in speculating about 6C/12T for Kabylake.
 

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Exclusive, prototype Kabylake-U details via SiSoftware

This one has 4MB L3 and 2.6GHz base clock so we're possibly looking at Core i7-6500U's successor.

Chipset/Memory Intel Wireless 8260;
8GB HMT451S6BFR8A-PB DDR3 SODIMM PC3-12800
Fixed Storage INTEL SSDSC2CT080A4
General Processor (GP) Intel Kabylake Mobile Graphics
General Processor (GP) Intel Kabylake HD Graphics ULT GT2
Computer/Device Intel Kabylake Client platform Kabylake Client System

''Intel(R) Kabylake Mobile Graphics Controller (192SP 24C 1GHz, 3.1GB) (OpenCL)''

Same iGPU config as Skylake but improved architecture/media (Gen 9.5)?


If this is real (not some current system listed wrong), looks like Kabylake-U is up and running.


Kabylake-U? vs Core i7-6500U's Average Scores

- Processor Arithmetic
Kabylake-U: 49.54GOPS
Core i7-6500U: 45.63GOPS

- Processor Multi-Media
Kabylake-U: 141.26Mpix/s
Core i7-6500U: 125.52Mpix/s

- .NET Arithmetic
Kabylake-U: 16.47GOPS
Core i7-6500U: 14.54GOPS

- .NET Multi-Media
Kabylake-U: 11.55Mpix/s
Core i7-6500U: 10.40Mpix/s

- Processor Cryptography (High Security)
Kabylake-U: 3.67GB/s
Core i7-6500U: 3.26GB/s
 
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DrMrLordX

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So what does KabyLake bring to the table besides hardware support for newer codecs, and apparently some higher clockspeeds?
 

DrMrLordX

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What core enhancements? I had thought KabyLake was a carbon-copy of Skylake + iGPU improvements (actually I had heard it was Gen10).
 

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Would anyone who has a completely stable 6700K system be willing to run Intel's BIOS Implementation Test Suite[0] for me so I can compare results? You can see mine here [1]. It's failing for me on 29 tests with all default clock speeds and voltage settings and I want to know if it's something to worry about or not in regards to my idle hang issue.

[0] https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/19763/BIOS-Implementation-Test-Suite-BITS-
[1] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11272/results.txt
 
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