Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[Unoid]

Kaby still a 4core max mainstream chip? If Zen comes out it will trounce a 4c8t with 6 and 8 core zens.

Well unless AMD charges 600-1000 for their 6 and 8 core chips like intel's -E class xeons

 

[ShintaiDK]

Kaby still a 4core max mainstream chip? If Zen comes out it will trounce a 4c8t with 6 and 8 core zens.

Well unless AMD charges 600-1000 for their 6 and 8 core chips like intel's -E class xeons

And they will all clock to the sky as well.

Wouldn't it be a good idea to wait and Zen what the competition brings?

It didn't go so well last time and 4 cores ended up beating 8.

 

[LTC8K6]

Kaby still a 4core max mainstream chip? If Zen comes out it will trounce a 4c8t with 6 and 8 core zens.

Well unless AMD charges 600-1000 for their 6 and 8 core chips like intel's -E class xeons

I wish you wouldn't say stuff like that, given the previous 6 and 8 core chip launches...

 

[Abwx]

Intel Kaby Lake to compete against AMD Zen at end of 2016



www.digitimes.com/news/a20160302PD204.html


Confusing article.
- Kabylake-U production starts in June, launch in Q3
- Mass/volume production of Kabylake chips (including desktop Kabylake-S?) @ November/December
- Competes against Summit Ridge at end of 2016, so desktop launch in 2016 still in the cards?
- Z270 / H270 announcement in October


I'm also adding this to the OP, Intel naming/lineup guide for noobs.

ArsTechnica: Pentium? Core i5? Core i7? Making sense of Intel’s convoluted CPU lineup
It defies simple explanation, but here's how to know what you're getting

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016...-making-sense-of-intels-convoluted-cpu-lineup

Why cutting the last part of the article wich is only a few lines..?.

This has some relevance for the current competitive position evolution, and well before Zen and KBL are released..

Intel's Kaby Lake-series will begin with the U-series which will start small volume production in mid-June, with mass production to start in November or December. The corresponding chipsets including the Z270 and H270-series will be announced in October at the earliest.


AMD plans to release AM4 socket-based eight-core high-end Summit Ridge and Raven Ridge-series processors both using its Zen architecture and manufactured on Samsung Electronics' and Globalfoundries' 14nm processes in the first quarter of 2017. Several motherboard players expect the new platform's improved performance and strong price competitiveness to give AMD some competitive advantages.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20160302PD204.html

So the MB manufacturers, who have non public info and know the features, estimate that plateform wise AMD s AM4 will be competitive with Intel s future plateform..

 

[mikk]

So is this a further delay of KL, or just what was expected?

This is no further delay. Have a look to previous Roadmaps.

 

[Sweepr]

Looks like Skylake-H GT4e (Iris Pro 580) is out in the wild. First GFXBench submission was posted 11 days ago.

 

[Sweepr]

The real gem from today's Radeon Technologies Group Reddit Q&A, the technical marketing guy from AMD owns a Skylake Core i7-6700K system:

ROCKET LEAGUE EVERY DAY. And Overwatch, and Fractured Space.
My specs:
Radeon R9 Fury X
Core i7-6700K
16GB DDR4-3000
Samsung 950 256GB
Acer XR341CK (glorious uw master race)

www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/48e8rl/radeon_technologies_group_qa_is_happening_here_on/d0mcy4r

 

[ShintaiDK]

Nice catch lol.

 

[Qwertilot]

Is that iris pro 580 reading likely to be at all reliable? It doesn't seem to have very many entries attached

Its vaguely intriguing because the one score that is there (Manhattan on screen) is bang on the equivalent 750ti, which is a significant sort of milestone for 1080 gaming. Suppose we'll find out.

 

[Arachnotronic]

The real gem from today's Radeon Technologies Group Reddit Q&A, the technical marketing guy from AMD owns a Skylake Core i7-6700K system:



www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/48e8rl/radeon_technologies_group_qa_is_happening_here_on/d0mcy4r

I would be very curious to see how a certain forum member, one whose knowledge of how to calculate performance of a bipolar transistor even with no real data knows no bounds, spins this one.

 

[mikk]

Its vaguely intriguing because the one score that is there (Manhattan on screen) is bang on the equivalent 750ti, which is a significant sort of milestone for 1080 gaming. Suppose we'll find out.

You sould recheck. 750 Ti score is way higher. Onscore seems to run in Vsync on Intel. There is absolutely nothing we can read from performance.

 

[Qwertilot]

? The only things I can see listed on that result for the 580 are the onscreen ones for manhattan and the tesselation test and those seem to be basically identical.

To be honest it looks a fairly useless sort of result to me too

 

[VirtualLarry]

I did some light gaming on my i3-6100's native HD 530 iGPU. Vanilla Skyrim. Auto-detected as "Low" preset, when I started the game for the first time after removing my GT740. Played alright, as in, decent frame-rate. There were some visual issues though, mostly around shadows and z-buffering. It was more than playable, though, at 1080P.

Unfortunately, I had to un-install the 4380 beta drivers, because they ALWAYS seem to fail to HDMI audio handshake with my monitor, and I have to REBOOT to get it to work again. At least the 4300 drivers, seem to work a few times, before needing to reboot.

Bottom line, Intel's iGPU drivers for Skylake and Windows 7 are CRAP.

 

[LTC8K6]

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle

Well, W7 mainstream support ended more than a year ago.

I can't be too upset if there are a few Gen9 driver issues.

 

[Sweepr]

Kabylake-Y (3rd Generation Core M) up and running, first GFXBench submission.

Meanwhile Dell is testing a Kabylake-U based XPS 13.

 

[Rngwn]

Kabylake-Y (3rd Generation Core M) up and running, first GFXBench submission.

Meanwhile Dell is testing a Kabylake-U based XPS 13.

looks like Intel won't increase the EU count for GT2 in this generation, and the iGPU is not the major overhaul either. So, the only advantages of KBL over SKL iGPUs are more video encoding/decoding supported, and maybe a bit better performance.

Well, GT4e would better have EU count increased to 96 rather than staying with 72EUs. Otherwise, it won't be competitive with the upcoming mid-range pascals.

 

[Sweepr]

looks like Intel won't increase the EU count for GT2 in this generation, and the iGPU is not the major overhaul either. So, the only advantages of KBL over SKL iGPUs are more video encoding/decoding supported, and maybe a bit better performance.

Well, GT4e would better have EU count increased to 96 rather than staying with 72EUs. Otherwise, it won't be competitive with the upcoming mid-range pascals.

Not expecting big performance gains in 3D either. Perhaps 10-20% via architectural tweaks and higher sustained clocks if EUs count doesn't change (Gen 9 iGPUs generally operate at lower clocks than its predecessors). I do expect higher Iris / Iris Pro adoption though.

Still, there must be a reason why they're going for 2x 128MB eDRAM with Kabylake-H GT4e.

 

[IntelUser2000]

I do expect higher Iris / Iris Pro adoption though.

I hope that too but to make an impact they need to bring it to a $999 device or lower. Considering how glacial slow "proliferation" of Iris parts are there's almost no hope here.

Still, there must be a reason why they're going for 2x 128MB eDRAM with Kabylake-H GT4e.

2x 128MB = 2 stack eDRAM? Double the bandwidth? Perhaps 50GB/s bi-directional bandwidth is not enough anymore. Well, they are reaching that point. Also, if they wish to be competitive* with iGPU performance the high end Kabylake should be DOUBLE Skylake GT4e.

Yes, 144EUs. Maybe a 96EU with 50% more flops/EU. 72 ROPs.

They won't go against bandwidth crippled 7890K iGPUs anymore but an HBM equipped iGPU and a power efficient 14nm dGPU.

*Its possible they don't really care about being competitive with GPUs. Iris practically did not exist since its introduction with Haswell. Will it change anytime soon?

 

[frozentundra123456]

Lets just wait and see when/if we get HBM APUs. I was hoping for more on KL though.

 

[pantsaregood]

Is there any hope of an unlocked Kaby Lake SKU with eDRAM?

 

[Sweepr]

2x 128MB = 2 stack eDRAM? Double the bandwidth? Perhaps 50GB/s bi-directional bandwidth is not enough anymore. Well, they are reaching that point. Also, if they wish to be competitive* with iGPU performance the high end Kabylake should be DOUBLE Skylake GT4e.

If 128MB eDRAM is a limiting factor then Kabylake GT4e should perform better with a similar 72 EUs iGPU, coupled with architecture improvements and possibly higher clocks. Mature 14nm could possibly allow 96 EUs to further improve its competitiveness relative to Polaris/Pascal dGPUs, but I wouldn't bet on this.

Lets just wait and see when/if we get HBM APUs. I was hoping for more on KL though.

Agreed, I think it will take some time till HBM hits <$200 consumer APUs.

To be fair Intel brought two new graphics architectures in 2015, for the first time GT2 SKUs can match/beat AMD where integrated graphics count the most (15W notebook/laptop chips). Also Intel is commited to launching Cannonlake in H2-2017, and by the time the first Raven Ridge APUs arrive Cannonlake (U/Y SKUs at least) might be close to launch.

Is there any hope of an unlocked Kaby Lake SKU with eDRAM?

No word yet, but desktops will get an LGA Skylake with eDRAM later this year, hopefully unlocked like Broadwell-K.

 

[NTMBK]

The real gem from today's Radeon Technologies Group Reddit Q&A, the technical marketing guy from AMD owns a Skylake Core i7-6700K system:



www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/48e8rl/radeon_technologies_group_qa_is_happening_here_on/d0mcy4r

Not like he cares, RTG are probably going to be a separate company before too long anyway.

 

[Sweepr]

Some DDR3 vs DDR4 Skylake tests from Tom's Hardware France:

www.tomshardware.fr/articles/asrock-fatal1ty-z170-gaming-k4-d3-ddr4-vs-ddr3,2-2449-2.html

DDR3 2400 CL11 improves performance by >10% @ Arma 3, Far Cry 3 and Grid 2 (relative to DDR3 1600 CL11) @ High settings (no AA). I wish they had included faster DDR4 in the mix (>3000MHz).

 

[coercitiv]

I wish they had included faster DDR4 in the mix (>3000MHz).

And a low latency setting, something like DDR4 2400-2666 at CL 12-13. Heck, even 2133 CL11 versus. 2666 CL15 would be nice to see.

 

[Sweepr]

New Skylake-based Macbook Air and Macbook Pro expected to debut later this month. Hopefully it won't take long till AnandTech and other websites properly test Iris 550 and Iris Pro 580.


ASUS Core m7-6Y75 subnotebook reviewed by NBC. 10% faster @ multi-thread and 30-40% faster @ single-thread compared to the (Core m3-6Y30) Surface Pro 4, slightly worse iGPU scores.

Asus Zenbook UX305CA-FB055T Subnotebook Tested

www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Asus-Zenbook-UX305CA-FB055T-Subnotebook.159006.0.html


Tom's Hardware: Intel/AMD iGPUs vs R7 250 (1080p)

From Tom's Hardware.fr's A10-7890K's review, new iGPU results. Both Intel and AMD systems tested with the latest drivers (take a note GameGPU). Faster memory used in the AMD system. HD Graphics 530 (Gen 9, Core i7) nearly matching A10-7850K's iGPU gaming performance.

www.tomshardware.de/amd-a10-7890k-gaming-performance-benchmark-budget-pc,testberichte-242059.html