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mikk

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Im not talking about RTS launch, im talking official sales embargo lift dates (retail launch of the product, when we have the reviews and we can buy the actual product). Kabylake official sales embargo lift is Q1 2017 no matter if RTS is Q4 2016. Officially KBL Desktop havent been launched in the retail, sales embargo is not lifted yet, you cannot go to MicroCenter or any other big retailer and buy a KBL-S product in 2016 period.


Do you have reading difficulties? RTS window in this slide goes from week 50 2016 till week 04 2017 which is cleaarly inside week 01 2017 when KBL-S officially starts. The only important message for you is that RTS reflects the launch/sales start.
 

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Intel will be able to develop a thin and fast x86 uArch, and ICC will be able to optimize the code both for ARM and for x86 as well.

This new uArch will be ready in 2019-2020.
Intel's own compilier, targeting ARM?

That seems awful quick for deployment of a new arch, too. Three years? Seems way too quick for Intel, seeing as how long it takes them to develop even a minor revision of their existing arches.
 
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Intel's own compilier, targeting ARM?

That seems awful quick for deployment of a new arch, too. Three years? Seems way too quick for Intel, seeing as how long it takes them to develop even a minor revision of their existing arches.
If they go alone it sounds like Itanium very hard... But if they join forces with AMD and VIA to create x86-x128 (bits)... That would change everything
 

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Intel's own compilier, targeting ARM?

That seems awful quick for deployment of a new arch, too. Three years? Seems way too quick for Intel, seeing as how long it takes them to develop even a minor revision of their existing arches.
We don't know how long Intel's been working on it.

And the article says it's the architecture after Tigerlake, so 2021.
 
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Intel's own compilier, targeting ARM?

That seems awful quick for deployment of a new arch, too. Three years? Seems way too quick for Intel, seeing as how long it takes them to develop even a minor revision of their existing arches.
It's not a new arch if they just throw out all the "useless" instructions to make a core that's more like ARM,specialized perf/power efficient at all it can do and pretty sucky at everything else.
What takes a long time here is the decision making on what to keep and what to throw out.
(All just guesses, I have no idea about anything)
 

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Not sure if this is the place to post it but I just put together my 17-6700k build and could not be happier. She is replacing a Phenom2 x4 965(OC to 3.7) and the difference is exceptional but that is to be expected.

The i7 OC'ed to 4.4 without issue and has been running stable playing Star Citizen, No Mans Sky, and Everspace with high to maxed out settings. I will test the OC a little better once I get everything settled in. Overall I am impressed with this cpu and I expect it to last me a very long time.
 
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Thanks VirtualLarry! I'm very happy with it so far.
System specs besides the i7 are a MSI rx480 4gb, Asrock z170m extreme4, Corsair Vengeance LED ddr4 3000 16gb ram, Crucial M500 240gb, EVGA Supernova 650 g2 psu, and a Corsair Alpha Spec case(red and black).
 
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mikk

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If he has legitimate sources he should be able to provide a code-name for the first 7nm parts, since the three architectures after Tiger Lake do in fact have codenames now (SemiAccurate published them). If he can't even provide a codename, then I call BS.


Do we have these code names or is it behind a pay wall? Semiaccurate was wrong the last time afaik, but I'm curious.
 

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If he has legitimate sources he should be able to provide a code-name for the first 7nm parts, since the three architectures after Tiger Lake do in fact have codenames now (SemiAccurate published them). If he can't even provide a codename, then I call BS.
What are the codenames??!!!
 
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witeken

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Sorry, it's behind a pay wall so can't say what they are, but they seem pretty legitimate to me.
Do they continue with the lakes?

I think those laters names lack creativity. With Ivy Bridge & Sandy Bridge, Haswell & Broadwell and stuff, you could see they were from one Tick-Tock generation.
 
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IntelUser2000

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I was so hyped when Intel hyped up this new SSD tech one and a half years ago (1000x faster this, 1000x greater that, higher density, blah, blah) but in the time since,

Its true they said this, but if you looked into the details it was always going to be a tech that slots in between mass storage like SSD and DRAM. Higher density was over DRAM, not NAND, and speed and endurance is over NAND.

Regarding endurance: Only DRAM versions will have the endurance and performance anywhere near they claimed. The SSD versions were claimed at IDF to be 3x over NAND SSDs in endurance. Like everything in life, there's a tradeoff. SSD versions are likely much cheaper than DRAM.

How do you go from hyping 1TB in a single m.2 card to 16GB?

How? Because the writers were ignorant. The same time when Intel was touting benefits of its 3D NAND technology, they also talked about 3D XPoint. So some writers took the super-1TB-in-postage-stamp storage claim of 3D NAND and combined it with 3D XPoint's performance and endurance.

That's not to say its incapable of reaching those capacities. Just not in the micro form factor 3D NAND based devices will be coming in. The QuantX devices Micron was demonstrating were in the 200GB-1.6TB range.

Also, just because 16-32GB capacity versions are only the ones known through leaks, doesn't mean it'll end up being the only ones. SSD versions will surface through 2017.

The point of the 16-32GB devices are for caching. It seems my predictions that it'll be used to cache platter HDDs were right. I understand the disappointment over small capacity, though I can guess their reasons as well.

Ideally, it'll be used to balance between BOM issues and performance for pre-built systems. Optane might be fast enough to be a real virtual SSD for low cost systems. BOM increase will be quite a bit smaller than going for a full SSD. The only reason traditional SSHD systems don't work out is because you can't use SSD as a cache hoping the whole setup will be fast as an SSD. You need the cache to be much faster than an SSD to keep the whole like an SSD.
 
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Based on an OEM Roadmap they don't.




Sapphire Rapid looked like nonsense to me but Semiaccurate wrote Intel goes Pokemon which is somehow related.

Interesting roadmap, how reliable do you think this is?

There is no CNL here and the implication is that Ice Lake is part of Purley rather than Tinsley.
 

mikk

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The source is reliable. I can share the source with you if you want, posting the link in here is not a good idea because Intel is hunting.
 
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The source is reliable. I can share the source with you if you want, posting the link in here is not a good idea because Intel is hunting.

I found it! Won't share the link here for the reason you said though. This is indeed a very reliable source.
 
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