Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[jelome1989]

PCGH's i7-7700K compared to i7-6700K

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Core-i7-7700K-CPU-264844/Tests/7700K-vs-6700K-1217266

Thanks for this, but it seems PCGH took down the Anno 2205 and Starcraft 2 LotV benchmarks. Those two games scale really well with clocks don't know why they took it down.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I dont know, if a Celeron or Pentium did not supported optane dimms, no one whould care.

Intel Celeron / Pentium does NOT support Intel RST. "Core" chips only. So, that's something to consider, if you need RAID.

Edit: Since NVMe Optane functions as a HDD cache, and you need Intel's RST for SRT caching to function, it seems clear to me that Celeron / Pentium won't be able to take advantage of Optane. (Unless Intel make exceptions for bigger OEMs, and makes a "special" RST version.)

 

[StrangerGuy]

Im gona put it simple, today the minimum CPU for dgpu gaming its the I3-6100, now it is the G4560, the G4400 replacement, at half the I3 price. Nobody is talking about using the igp por gaming. Zen APU, the ones to be compared to Pentiums and I3 will not come for some time, Bristol Ridge are the ones coming out now.

You need to put your feet to the ground now, Zen 4C/8T will be around I5 or I7 mainstream prices, G4560 is an I3 level cpu for $64.

It's rather ironic by far the most interesting chip is the lowly $60 Pentium this time around. It makes the $150 i3-K a complete joke and waaaaaaaay better value than the super overrated G3258. The only that sucks is the potential Win 7 compatibility issues.

Intel Celeron / Pentium does NOT support Intel RST. "Core" chips only. So, that's something to consider, if you need RAID.

Edit: Since NVMe Optane functions as a HDD cache, and you need Intel's RST for SRT caching to function, it seems clear to me that Celeron / Pentium won't be able to take advantage of Optane. (Unless Intel make exceptions for bigger OEMs, and makes a "special" RST version.)

Two words in a nutshell: Nobody cares.

 

[DrMrLordX]

In fairness though, Core-based Celeron/Pentium systems are hard to find, and for good reason. They really want to push i3 and above, and for pure price the Atom-based ones is far cheaper.

That makes me uncomfortable just on principle. So many people will wind up with, what, Goldmont? I guess? Not that it's as bad as Baytrail-D but still.

But yeah putting HT on the Pentiums does sort of kill Bristol Ridge for the DIY/retail market. AMD doesn't really have much to sell until Zen arrives.

Well there' still the iGPU element of it, but now Bristol Ridge is being challenged by a sub-$100 chip in CPU performance whereas its former competitor (i3) was above the $100 mark. It's strange that Intel is hitting AMD so hard on the low end when AMD is in a hurry to get out of that market segment anyway.

AMD had a maybe 3-month window of opportunity to sell Bristol Ridge had they launched in October like they were "supposed" to with a full lineup of OEM and DiY markets, but instead we got a paltry smattering of products on the OEM market. It's like they don't even want to sell the things.

I recently contacted Noctua about getting AM4 mounting hardware for the NH-D15 prior to the Ryzen launch and showed them the Asus A320M-C motherboard (AM4, A320 chipset) and Noctua was all "we don't consider AM4 to be on the market yet, so no, not yet". They're effectively correct.

It's rather ironic by far the most interesting chip is the lowly $60 Pentium this time around. It makes the $150 i3-K a complete joke and waaaaaaaay better value than the super overrated G3258.

Intel eased up on some of their market segmentation. I wasn't expecting it.

Too bad the unlocked i3 costs so much. It's reminiscent of Clarkdale actually.

Two words in a nutshell: Nobody cares.

VirtualLarry cares! He's somebody, isn't he?

 

[StrangerGuy]

Well there' still the iGPU element of it, but now Bristol Ridge is being challenged by a sub-$100 chip in CPU performance whereas its former competitor (i3) was above the $100 mark. It's strange that Intel is hitting AMD so hard on the low end when AMD is in a hurry to get out of that market segment anyway.

AMD had a maybe 3-month window of opportunity to sell Bristol Ridge had they launched in October like they were "supposed" to with a full lineup of OEM and DiY markets, but instead we got a paltry smattering of products on the OEM market. It's like they don't even want to sell the things.

For the that overall target price segment who has the better iGPU is really irrelevant.

For the crowd like us the G4560 is the far stronger CPU with a much better upgrade path as a bonus, we are talking about stock 3770K level ST and near FX8150 MT performance for $60. I'll be picking one up with a cheapo DDR3 board up to cure my new hardware itch.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Well there' still the iGPU element of it, but now Bristol Ridge is being challenged by a sub-$100 chip in CPU performance whereas its former competitor (i3) was above the $100 mark. It's strange that Intel is hitting AMD so hard on the low end when AMD is in a hurry to get out of that market segment anyway.

When the market is shrinking, you try to take as much volume as you can, especially if it can be done with relatively simple segmentation actions like enabling HT on a Pentium

AMD had a maybe 3-month window of opportunity to sell Bristol Ridge had they launched in October like they were "supposed" to with a full lineup of OEM and DiY markets, but instead we got a paltry smattering of products on the OEM market. It's like they don't even want to sell the things.

OEMs don't exactly move AMD product in large quantities.

Intel eased up on some of their market segmentation. I wasn't expecting it.

Did they? Looks to me that they are still segmenting the market, but they are finding "easy" ways to bring more performance at each price point with Kaby Lake and taking steps to try to maintain/grow share against AMD (especially since AMD has been so vocal about trying to take share from Intel). But they still have products that span all the same price points.

Next up, bringing more cores to each price point, IMO. I think we will see 4C/4T taking the i3 spot in the CFL gen, 4C/8T taking the i5 spot, and 6C/12T in the i7 spot. I think that will allow Intel to remain extremely competitive across the board in mainstream desktop and high performance notebook.

Don't be surprised to see Intel upping core counts on HEDT, too. My guess is they'll begin SKL-X at 6c/8c/10c, and then when CFL drops in the mainstream, they will refresh with 8C/10C/12C parts in 2018 at the same price points that the 6C/8C/10C parts sit at now.

 

[AtenRa]

Competition is good, ill definitely try this little gem (G4560)

 

[VirtualLarry]

For the crowd like us the G4560 is the far stronger CPU with a much better upgrade path as a bonus, we are talking about stock 3770K level ST and near FX8150 MT performance for $60. I'll be picking one up with a cheapo DDR3 board up to cure my new hardware itch.

While I don't really know about the long-term value of a DDR3 board, if you were buying all components new, I agree that it would be nice to have some cheap 1151 boards available for this chip.

Newegg has some Asus H110M-A/M.2 boards for $44.99 + $1.99 ship, limit 2, with a $10 MIR, limit one on the MIR.

I really wish ASRock had come out with their H110 Hyper boards, that would have been a hoot. $40-50 for a board, that could BCLK OC a HT Pentium to 5Ghz! Talk about value.

But even their "Hyper" motherboard page now omits the photo of the H110/Hyper board. Apparently, it would have angered Intel too much had they released that, I think.

Edit: Apparently, the page still exists.
http://asrock.com/mb/Intel/H110M-DSHyper/

Here's their "Hyper" board home page, notice that the H110 one is now missing.
http://www.asrock.com/microsite/hyper/

 

[krumme]

Im gona put it simple, today the minimum CPU for dgpu gaming its the I3-6100, now it is the G4560, the G4400 replacement, at half the I3 price. Nobody is talking about using the igp por gaming. Zen APU, the ones to be compared to Pentiums and I3 will not come for some time, Bristol Ridge are the ones coming out now.

You need to put your feet to the ground now, Zen 4C/8T will be around I5 or I7 mainstream prices, G4560 is an I3 level cpu for $64.

Well yes i noticed that suddenly 2c 4t was fine enough for minimum gaming with a dgpu. I never thought so.

I take a quad sr3 zen or core i5 at 150 usd and a 90 usd 460 as the mimimum because with that i can run eg BF1 and hold my mimimum over 60fps all the time on big man 64p servers.

The price just reflects the days for 2c gaming is over. 4c is minimum. 6 and 8 is the new mainstream and enthusiast level.

8 years ago i could get a penryn core2 duo for about the same as pentium kbl 2c 4t today and oc it to 3.5. I am not impressed.

But surely as a office and light media machine its plenty and dirt cheap. Thats good.

 

[arandomguy]

What's the actual word on prior to Win 10 support for Kabylake and z270? Asus's z270 motherboards specifically list that Win 7 and Win 8 support is only if used with a 6th gen CPU.

 

[VirtualLarry]

8 years ago i could get a penryn core2 duo for about the same as pentium kbl 2c 4t today and oc it to 3.5. I am not impressed.

Not impressed with what? That Intel has had fairly consistent price tiers for their mainstream CPU lineup for years now, irrespective of the technology contained within them (other than the fact that there has been a consistent improvement in performance and performance/watt every generation). That does take a certain amount of talent, in both engineering and marketing, to not have a bulldozer-like generational setback.

Or are you not impressed with the clock speeds of the underlying silicon? Physics would like to have a word with you.

Or are you comparing max overclock, with stock speeds? Try to be realistic. KBL has already shown to be capable of over 5.0Ghz on air. For the G4560, I imagine you just would need the right BIOS and motherboard.

 

[krumme]

Not impressed with what? That Intel has had fairly consistent price tiers for their mainstream CPU lineup for years now, irrespective of the technology contained within them (other than the fact that there has been a consistent improvement in performance and performance/watt every generation). That does take a certain amount of talent, in both engineering and marketing, to not have a bulldozer-like generational setback.

Or are you not impressed with the clock speeds of the underlying silicon? Physics would like to have a word with you.

Or are you comparing max overclock, with stock speeds? Try to be realistic. KBL has already shown to be capable of over 5.0Ghz on air. For the G4560, I imagine you just would need the right BIOS and motherboard.

Not impressed with what i get as a consumer. The tech is fine. The core 2 5200 was selling at the same time as far nore expensive dual cores that just had more freq and cache. You remember that time?

Next year this time you get a 4c cpu for the same. For dgpu gamers its surely far better to go for 4c models and fork out eg 150 usd for sr3. Besides beeing flat out better its probably far cheaper in the long run.

This cpu is fine for office and light media i just object its the mimimum for gaming using a dgpu. We are past it. An sr3 will end up beeing cheaper in the long run than this if the purpose is gaming.

 

[otinane]

To avoid the creation of a new thread, i' m planning an upgrade later on 2017 with iGPU, and i' m on a dilemma.

i7-7700K (Kaby Lake) with an H270 and 32GB DDR4 or Raven Ridge APU with AM4 and 32GB DDR4?

(The 32GB are cause i use some heavy Qemu virt on my Linux)

Are they comparable yet, i mean that iGPU HD630 how good it is?

 

[VirtualLarry]

So, you're "unimpressed" with Intel''s new budget tech, but you're suggesting gamers wait for a yet-unreleased AMD CPU, of which HOW MANY gaming benchmarks do we have of it?

At least the G4560 should be in the ballpark of the existing i3-6100 for gaming, which often compares favorably to a stock-speed 2500K.

Edit: Not that I'm saying get KBL over Zen, only that I personally don't have enough info on Zen to make a decision at this point.

 

[mikk]

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-01...ramm-gesamtrating-anwendungen-und-spiele-720p

Computerbase with a nice overview as usual. 8% improvement over i7-6700k (more CPU bound 720p gaming)

 

[StrangerGuy]

So, you're "unimpressed" with Intel''s new budget tech, but you're suggesting gamers wait for a yet-unreleased AMD CPU, of which HOW MANY gaming benchmarks do we have of it?

At least the G4560 should be in the ballpark of the existing i3-6100 for gaming, which often compares favorably to a stock-speed 2500K.

Edit: Not that I'm saying get KBL over Zen, only that I personally don't have enough info on Zen to make a decision at this point.

Nah, he won't be impressed with Intel anything because he can get an awesome imaginary AMD chip at some imaginary price point he dictates in some imaginary release date in the future.

In the meantime, I will play with my new G4560 + H110 that together cost less than my daily wage.

Did you already find one to purchase already? I'm still looking.

It's definitely listed as launched on Intel but it will probably take a week for it show up in my local stores as usual.

 

[VirtualLarry]

In the meantime, I will get play with my new G4560 + H110 that together cost less than my daily wage.

Did you already find one to purchase already? I'm still looking.

 

[phillyman36]

So does anyone know when the motherboards start selling?(Newegg,Amazon) I should get the cpu today.

 

[gofmarat]

Does anyone know if kaby lake i7-7500u should run youtube 4k60fps hdr natively?
For some reason this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO01J-M3g0U&t=3s stutters while on 4k on the new HP Spectre X360

Thanks.

 

[Sweepr]

Wednesday surprise.

Intel Desktop Roadmap 2017 + Kaby Lake / Optane Presentations

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/pcw/docs/1037/537/html/s01.png.html

 

[RichUK]

"5G air cooling easy" - Lol.

So what's the difference between Skylake X and Kaby Lake X?

 

[ShintaiDK]

So what's the difference between Skylake X and Kaby Lake X?

Skylake-X is Skylake-EP dies. Kaby Lake-X is Kaby-Lake-S dies.

 

[mikk]

Does anyone know if kaby lake i7-7500u should run youtube 4k60fps hdr natively?
For some reason this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO01J-M3g0U&t=3s stutters while on 4k on the new HP Spectre X360

Thanks.

If the Brower supports it then it runs fine. For example Chromium 57 supports VP9 HW decoding, Chrome 55 didn't support it when I checked last time. Maybe Chrome 56.

 

[RichUK]

Wednesday surprise.

Intel Desktop Roadmap 2017 + Kaby Lake / Optane Presentations

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/pcw/docs/1037/537/html/s01.png.html

That Gigabyte slide with 5.3Ghz CPU-Z is misleading big time - Notice they upped multi to 53 from 51 while CPU-Z is open, which means it's probably not stable to even open / initialise CPU-Z at that frequency / voltage.

I can do 5.6Ghz:

 

[RichUK]

Skylake-X is Skylake-EP dies. Kaby Lake-X is Kaby-Lake-S dies.

I see, so what will Kaby Lake X offer over S?