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DrMrLordX

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Hmm. So what does that mean about the likelihood of 6c/12t CoffeeLake working on existing platforms/sockets?
 

Shivansps

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Hmm. So what does that mean about the likelihood of 6c/12t CoffeeLake working on existing platforms/sockets?

I think it is very high, i cant think of any technical reason and Intel since 775 does not do segmentation on the same socket by chipset, and those are still up to debate about what was the reason.
 

Ajay

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Wow, great catch Sweepr. Really good news. I total agree with @Arachnotronic. Really nice to see Intel stepping up it's game. Competition is the spice of life in tech
 

moonbogg

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They can't offer coffeelake on existing platforms regardless of technical compatibility. There is more money to be made by forcing people to buy a new motherboard. Of course with Ryzen scorching their ass Intel might be forced to actually let people upgrade their CPU for once. We'll see. I'm hoping for something at a decent price that I can replace this 6800k with. Nice chip but these things OC like crap. I want my 400mhz back that I lost.
 

Ajay

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The only problem i can think of is OEM support, they may dont want to offer bios updates.

Yeah, I struggle to see their incentive for adding support for Z170s. Offering support for the previous chipset (Z270) seems to be the norm (a bit of brand loyalty payback). I imagine the only real hold back for Z170 is supplying the CPU specific microcode updates.
 

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Sharing this megaton with you guys first. This comes from a pre-publication from DigiTimes, thanks to a friend with a subscription. Should go public tomorrow and I'll update with the proper link then.

DigiTimes: Intel brings Coffee Lake launch forward to August 2017


It's just my luck. I was just getting ready to get myself a 7700k in 5 days, lol.
 
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Dave2150

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Yeah, I struggle to see their incentive for adding support for Z170s. Offering support for the previous chipset (Z270) seems to be the norm (a bit of brand loyalty payback). I imagine the only real hold back for Z170 is supplying the CPU specific microcode updates.

Z170 is extremely similar to Z270 (both are compatible with Skylake and Kabylake), both should also be similar to Z370. If Coffeelake works on Z270, it should also work on Z170 (would obviously require BIOS updates for both Z170 and Z270).

Can't remember the last time we've had 3 generations of Intel CPU share the exact same socket and architecture, only separated by process revisions Golden opportunity to win them back some good PR
 

richierich1212

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Intel pushing up Coffeelake from Q1 2018 to August 2017? Doesn't that seem like Intel has products in the pipeline but has just been sitting on them this whole time?

That's annoying for consumers as a whole. Guess competition is good after all.
 

jpiniero

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Intel pushing up Coffeelake from Q1 2018 to August 2017? Doesn't that seem like Intel has products in the pipeline but has just been sitting on them this whole time?

I suppose it's possible they scrapped whatever they would have done and are just re-releasing Kaby Lake with a 6 core die.
 

Shivansps

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I still find hard to belive the original date was q1, intel usually launch on Q4. That was true for skylake and kabylake.

Personally i belive coffelake launch was delayed a bit to make room for skylake x. Now they are probably ramping up production earlier than expected.
 

mikk

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Usually in Q4? Not really. Kabylake launched Q1 2017, Skylake launched in Q3 2015. Sandy Bridge launched Q1 as well, CES is one of Intels launch events in Q1.
 

Sweepr

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Yes, Coffee Lake 14++, Kaby Lake 14+.

Big scoop there, Sweeper.

Wow, great catch Sweepr. Really good news. I total agree with @Arachnotronic. Really nice to see Intel stepping up it's game. Competition is the spice of life in tech

Thanks for the support! Exciting news indeed, never imagined desktop Coffee Lake would be launched this soon.

Can we change this thread's title to add in Coffee Lake also, since it's same architecture mostly as Kaby Lake?

That's fine by me.

Hmm. So what does that mean about the likelihood of 6c/12t CoffeeLake working on existing platforms/sockets?

Almost a given in my opinion, at least for 200 series motherboards.
 
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Sweepr

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It's public now!

Intel to unveil Basin Falls, launch Coffee Lake ahead of schedule

Intel will unveil its Basin Falls platform, i.e. Skylake-X, Kaby Lake-X processors and X299 chipset, at Computex 2017 in Taipei during May 30-June 3 two months earlier than originally scheduled, and will bring forward the launch of Coffee Lake microarchitecture based on a 14nm process node from January 2018 originally to August 2017, to cope with increasing competition from AMD's Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 5 processors, according to Taiwan-based PC vendors.

The Basin Falls-based products are expected to be launched at the E3 gaming show in the US in June, with the official release at the end of the month.

The Skylake-X series has three 140W processors featuring 6-, 8- and 10-core architectures, while the Kaby Lake-X series has an 112W quad-core processor. In August, Intel will release a top-end 12-core Skylake-X processor.

Meanwhile, AMD is planning to announce its top-end 16-core Ryzen processor and X399 platform in the third quarter to compete for the gaming market.

As for the 14nm-based Coffee Lake-based processors, Intel will initially release several K-series Core i7/i5/i3 processors and its Z370 chipsets in August, and will release more CPUs as well as H370, B360 and H310 chipsets at the end of 2017 or early 2018.

Intel has reportedly spent over US$100 million to order five EUV machine sets from ASML, to accelerate its pace of manufacturing.

Intel and AMD both declined to comment on unannounced products.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20170419PD207.html

- 6C/8C/10C Skylake-X launch at the end of June
- 12C Skylake-X SKU confirmed and launching in August!
- Considering 12C is now an option at the top, we may get higher core count options for lower prices than Broadwell-E (8C Skylake-X replacing 6850K / 10C replacing 6900K?)
- Coffee Lake-S will be released in August along with Z370 chipset motherboards
- Several K-series Core i7/i5/i3 processors planned!
- H370, B360 and H310 chipsets motherboard at the end of 2017 or early 2018
 
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Hopefully Intel goes for each Coffee Lake K unlocked CPU like this:

i7 6C12T
i5 4C8T or 6C6T
i3 4C4T
 

Sweepr

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Hopefully Intel goes for each Coffee Lake K unlocked CPU like this:

i7 6C12T
i5 4C8T or 6C6T
i3 4C4T

My expectations as well. I have little doubt they will increase the core/thread count in every Core segment. Now imagine if these 6C/12T babes overclock even higher than i7-7700K due to the new 14nm++ proccess. Exciting times ahead.
 
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This is some really great news, Sweepr.

I was originally planning to go with Skylake-X, but I think instead I'm going to replace my 7700Ks with 6 core Coffee Lake-S "K" models. No need to rip and replace mobos, great balance between MT perf and ST perf.
 

TemjinGold

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This is some really great news, Sweepr.

I was originally planning to go with Skylake-X, but I think instead I'm going to replace my 7700Ks with 6 core Coffee Lake-S "K" models. No need to rip and replace mobos, great balance between MT perf and ST perf.

How do you know there's no need to replace the mobo? That article if anything seems to indicate the contrary given the 300 series announcement in there.
 
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I suppose it's possible they scrapped whatever they would have done and are just re-releasing Kaby Lake with a 6 core die.

No. Coffee Lake is a new set of dies, as they are implemented in 14nm++ rather than 14nm+.

I also expect physical design enhancements on top of the process related enhancements.

Say hello to cheap hyperthreaded quads that can OC to 5GHz+.
 
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How do you know there's no need to replace the mobo? That article if anything seems to indicate the contrary given the 300 series announcement in there.

Z270 launched four months ago, and it'll have been just eight months when CFL drops. All of the mobo makers and etailers will still have sizable Z270 inventory that they will want to clear and if CFL doesn't work in Z200, it'll be very hard for those entities to blow out Z270 inventory.

I fully expect CFL to be compatible with Z270. I don't think the mobo makers will support Z170, though, even though they'd obviously be electrically compatible.
 

TemjinGold

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Z270 launched four months ago, and it'll have been just eight months when CFL drops. All of the mobo makers and etailers will still have sizable Z270 inventory that they will want to clear and if CFL doesn't work in Z200, it'll be very hard for those entities to blow out Z270 inventory.

I fully expect CFL to be compatible with Z270. I don't think the mobo makers will support Z170, though, even though they'd obviously be electrically compatible.

That may be true but hardly helps prove anything. If CFL is meant as a drop in upgrade, why have a 300 series launch alongside it given that, as you say, Z270 is only 4 months old.

I'm not saying it can't happen but you've only got wishful thinking at best at the moment.
 

LTC8K6

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Is there any technical reason that the 100 and 200 series chipsets could not handle a 6C12T processor?
 
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