Intel Starts Production of Next-Generation Haswell Microprocessors.

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SiliconWars

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The problem Nemesis is it's only 128mb (has this even been confirmed?). There is no way that is going to hold up at 1080p with AA. Should be about good enough for 1080p without AA however, which in itself is nothing to be sneezed at.
 

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Intel never told us benchmarks or performance gains for edram chips.They only talked about gains without edram . They did however show edram chips running on 2 differant occasions. As I said Intels is being very hush hush/ With edram it would be easy to expect 2x improvement over HD4000. Like on a ulv with GT3. expect only 30% gains . That sounds reasonable. Until you strap 125mb of edram on the package threw a wide buse. If we know what the bandwidth is which some have figured . Than the performance should be easy to guess.GDDR5@4000ghz. Than the most important thing the gain from being on package

The way Intel talks about a lot of their products, I think it is very difficult to extrapolate what the likely performance gains of GT3e will be over the HD4000.

Are they comparing to the desktop version or a mobile version of the HD4000?
 

Piroko

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Intel never told us benchmarks or performance gains for edram chips.They only talked about gains without edram . They did however show edram chips running on 2 differant occasions. As I said Intels is being very hush hush/ With edram it would be easy to expect 2x improvement over HD4000. Like on a ulv with GT3. expect only 30% gains . That sounds reasonable. Until you strap 125mb of edram on the package threw a wide buse. If we know what the bandwidth is which some have figured . Than the performance should be easy to guess.GDDR5@4000ghz.
I have no doubt that edram can enable higher performance, but what you're missing from the picture is TDP. Edram will not double or triple performance per Watt, I would even question if that improves at all with on-chip Ram as an additional power draw. So the increase in performance will probably be limited regardless of edram.
 

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I have no doubt that edram can enable higher performance, but what you're missing from the picture is TDP. Edram will not double or triple performance per Watt, I would even question if that improves at all with on-chip Ram as an additional power draw. So the increase in performance will probably be limited regardless of edram.

Well I just going to assume having edram on package offers advantage of substance, I really haven't seen it done befor other than xbox version. If this was AMD doing this it would be the greatest thing sense the last great thing AMD has done. It could vary well be that intel isn't talking about edram performance because it doesn't offer much . We don't have long to wait and see . I think Febuary will bring forth much more info.
 

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The way Intel talks about a lot of their products, I think it is very difficult to extrapolate what the likely performance gains of GT3e will be over the HD4000.

Are they comparing to the desktop version or a mobile version of the HD4000?

Ya Thats what I am saying , Intel has not unwound the web for us at all. Vary strange pre release. either they have nothing, Or they have a bombshell.
 

Phynaz

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The problem Nemesis is it's only 128mb (has this even been confirmed?). There is no way that is going to hold up at 1080p with AA. Should be about good enough for 1080p without AA however, which in itself is nothing to be sneezed at.

And yet the Xbox 360 only has 10MB of eDRAM.

I don't think you understand how eDRAM works.
 

MightyMalus

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Considering that the GT3 is the only one rumored to have eDRAM and the GT3 is only for the 10w-17w range of CPU's, I do not expect much at all from a GT3.

My thoughts are simple. How is a GT3 chip running at 17watts, at most, gonna surpass a GT2 chip running at 55watts? Just don't see that happening.

Will it be a nice iGPU for the TDP range? Yes. Would a laptop gamer want it? Not unless they enjoy "Ultrabook" sized display gaming.
 

Piroko

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Well I just going to assume having edram on package offers advantage of substance, I really haven't seen it done befor other than xbox version.
The Xbox uses its edram for some nifty tricks with Xenos, improving the utilization as far as I know. The edram isn't there to improve power draw but to improve the shortcomings of the chip itself. Haswell might profit from a similar approach, but I don't think it's such a clear cut.
 

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The Xbox uses its edram for some nifty tricks with Xenos, improving the utilization as far as I know. The edram isn't there to improve power draw but to improve the shortcomings of the chip itself. Haswell might profit from a similar approach, but I don't think it's such a clear cut.

I understand all that . I also read that the preview that AT showed of the GT3e against NV650 many reviews said they thought the 650m looked faster, I seen it just the other way . The AT video shows the nv systems starting ahead of the GT3e system yet at the end of video GT3e was ahead of 650m yes i know that was differant game play . never the less NV had head start and intel overcame it , its clear in the video.
 

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There is one BIG thing intel need to do:
To push GT3 to developers ASAP and some cash, a lot more driver & game polishing is needed.... they even should sample small PCI-e cards cheap to market just to make publishers accept it, even some OEM, thats the only way i see intel make it to APU / GFX gaming market
ie: intel740 !
 
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