Intel Starts Production of Next-Generation Haswell Microprocessors.

[StinkyPinky]

One day fusion power will be discovered and then Intel wont care about TDP for the desktop. Say hello to 20GHz 1000W CPU's that doubles up as an incinerator.

 

[NostaSeronx]

One day fusion power will be discovered and then Intel wont care about TDP for the desktop. Say hello to 20GHz 1000W CPU's that doubles up as an incinerator.

Have fun waiting till 2060.

 

[IntelUser2000]

One day fusion power will be discovered and then Intel wont care about TDP for the desktop. Say hello to 20GHz 1000W CPU's that doubles up as an incinerator.

Power use won't be the problem at that TDP, but how to cool that chip.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

I'm expecting:
-10-15% better performance
-Similar air overclock as Ivy Bridge
-Better top overclocks using exotic cooling(but this is due to other factors like increasing the max multiplier and giving different base clock frequencies)

Cheap TIM held Ivy back, and IIRC its pretty much been confirmed that Intel is going back to solder. And with the extra time of 22nm under their belt plus other overclocking friendly features being added in to the new architecture, I'd almost be willing to bet 5GHz will finally be a new norm for the enthusiast willing to spend ~$100 on cooling

However I'd bet against IPC improvement being that high, it'd wager it will be closer to 10% at best

 

[Fx1]

what is power consumption

Who cares about power consumption.

My Macbook lasts 5-7 hours on Sandy and my Desktop runs at 4.0 ghz 24/7 and i dont care about power use there

Anything else is a bonus.

 

[khon]

Who cares about power consumption.

My Macbook lasts 5-7 hours on Sandy and my Desktop runs at 4.0 ghz 24/7 and i dont care about power use there

Anything else is a bonus.

I care about power consumption, because Ivy bridge mobile CPUs overheat, which doesn't just cause the laptop to be uncomfortable to use, it also means they get throttled and thus slower.

 

[NostaSeronx]

I care about power consumption, because Ivy bridge mobile CPUs overheat, which doesn't just cause the laptop to be uncomfortable to use, it also means they get throttled and thus slower.

So, you didn't worry about power consumption from:
Sandy Bridge mobile CPUs
Clarksfield CPUs
Penryn mobile CPUs

???

It seems to me that you are making Ivy Bridge a special point. Even though, Ivy Bridge has the lowest TDP/Power Consumption of all x86-64 CPUs on the market.

 

[Fx1]

I care about power consumption, because Ivy bridge mobile CPUs overheat, which doesn't just cause the laptop to be uncomfortable to use, it also means they get throttled and thus slower.

they overheat due to bad TIM and not because they use to much power lol

Also i have yet to see a laptop not get hot when under full load

 

[NostaSeronx]

they overheat due to bad TIM and not because they use to much power lol

Also i have yet to see a laptop not get hot when under full load

The mobile Ivy Bridge processors are not affected by this issue because they do not use a heat spreader between the chip and cooling system.

 

[Fx1]

The mobile Ivy Bridge processors are not affected by this issue because they do not use a heat spreader between the chip and cooling system.

No but i have never seen a laptop maker use good TIM in general. They cut costs during mass production.

As far as i know Apples Retina Pro doesnt throttle under load. i have seen 2 people play 64 player BF3 on it with ease for sustained periods

 

[NostaSeronx]

No but i have never seen a laptop maker use good TIM in general. They cut costs during mass production.

Wow:

75º C at 100% load vs 72º C at 100% load. They must be using awful TIM, am I right?

 

[khon]

So, you didn't worry about power consumption from:
Sandy Bridge mobile CPUs
Clarksfield CPUs
Penryn mobile CPUs

???

It seems to me that you are making Ivy Bridge a special point. Even though, Ivy Bridge has the lowest TDP/Power Consumption of all x86-64 CPUs on the market.

Why would I bring up older and even more power hungry CPUs ?

I don't know about you, but when I buy a computer I want it to have new hardware in there, not stuff from 5 years ago.

 

[khon]

they overheat due to bad TIM and not because they use to much power lol

Also i have yet to see a laptop not get hot when under full load

My either, which is why I'm hoping Haswell will be better.

Max performance is for desktops. For laptops the goal is adequate performance, while keep battery lifetime long and temperatures low.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Why would I bring up older and even more power hungry CPUs?

Ivy Bridge - 35 Watt TDP
Sandy Bridge - 35 Watt TDP
Clarksfield - 35 Watt TDP
Penryn - 35 Watt TDP

What is the power consumption/TDP of each CPU generation?

Thirty-five watts.

 

[khon]

Ivy Bridge - 35 Watt TDP
Sandy Bridge - 35 Watt TDP
Clarksfield - 35 Watt TDP
Penryn - 35 Watt TDP

What is the power consumption/TDP of each CPU generation?

Thirty-five watts.

TDP only tells you about peak power use, not average power use, and for that there has been a clear improvement generation by generation.

 

[tweakboy]

I would rather get a Ivy Bridge E 10 core 20 threads.

Guys Haswell for all of 2013 is mobile chips and budget chips, Most is quad with HT.
In 2014 Haswell comes out for enthusiast desktops.
In 2013 3Q Ivy Bridge E released 6 to 12 core chips that will slap the you know what out of Haswell. Haswell is nothing but a GPU upgrade on CPU to be blistering fast and less power drawn TDP.

Lets get some info on the Ivy 6 to 12 core chips due Q3 2013. thx gl

 

[Piroko]

As far as i know Apples Retina Pro doesnt throttle under load. i have seen 2 people play 64 player BF3 on it with ease for sustained periods

The Retina Pro 15" uses discrete graphics which will help a great deal and I doubt that the 13" will play BF3 'with ease'.

I'm a bit baffled how so many people here seem to expect (or imply) performance per watt increases of 50% and more as well as an endless supply of magical beans if you'd ever need any. I'ts on the same process as IB after all.

 

[Fx1]

The Retina Pro 15" uses discrete graphics which will help a great deal and I doubt that the 13" will play BF3 'with ease'.

I'm a bit baffled how so many people here seem to expect (or imply) performance per watt increases of 50% and more as well as an endless supply of magical beans if you'd ever need any. I'ts on the same process as IB after all.

The GPU is irrelevant to my point. The CPU handles the 64 player aspects of BF3 and it doesnt throttle.

 

[mrmt]

And they still didn't remove that [older generation] they wrongly placed there. But this is in line with the quality of the coverage of other Q&A and conferences.

 

[Piroko]

The GPU is irrelevant to my point. The CPU handles the 64 player aspects of BF3 and it doesnt throttle.

But only barely in the case of http://www.anandtech.com/show/6194/asus-ux31a-putting-the-ultra-in-ultrabooks/8 for example.

I doubt Haswell will bring much of an improvement to desktops. 22nm FinFET isn't tuned for high clocks and Haswell will not bend physics.

 

[Abwx]

22nm FinFET isn't tuned for high clocks and Haswell will not bend physics.

It is , by the virtue of intrinsicaly less parasistic capacitances
attached to the fets but it isnt because of the shorter distance
between conductors that increase strain parasistic capacitances ,
so what is gained at a end is lost on the other one , that s why
IB didnt overclock substancialy higher than SB.

Also , Intel s 22nm is actually 26nm.

 

[Piroko]

Ok, I'll change my wording then, IB on 22nm FinFET isn't tuned for higher clocks than SB managed on 32nm. Point in case, I don't expect Haswell to be different in this area and I haven't read otherwise.

 

[Nemesis 1]

What I find interesting are this Ultras that can disconnect from the base and operate wirelessly. Get the right M/B with Wi-Fi and use with your desktop loaded with MS8 .
I see I lot of neat possiabilities for a powerful home base unit . With traditional highend Desktops.

 

[ShintaiDK]

One day fusion power will be discovered and then Intel wont care about TDP for the desktop. Say hello to 20GHz 1000W CPU's that doubles up as an incinerator.

Power use won't be the problem at that TDP, but how to cool that chip.

And the noise, house/room heat etc.

In short, nobody would make a 1000W CPU if power was free and you could cool it for the consumer space.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I care about power consumption, because Ivy bridge mobile CPUs overheat, which doesn't just cause the laptop to be uncomfortable to use, it also means they get throttled and thus slower.

They dont overheat. And they produce LESS heat. Meaning your laptop should be more comfortable to use than for example a sandy bridge mobile chip. And there is no TIM/IHS on mobile chips.