Again...
SB > IB = TICK
SB > Haswell = Tock
Nehalem > SB = Tock
Nehalem > Westmere = Tick
Compare SB to Haswell - then start whining.
(Which may happen - but just be fair in your rants).
NO ONE rags on how crappy westmere gave of performances increases for Nehalem owners - did they?
Jeesh.
Is intel supposed to innovate for all SemiConductor companies or what ? -_-
Penryn.Yes but wasn't intel historically doing just "dumb shrinks" up until recently? Westmere didn't appear to be much more than Nehalem at 32nm, and I'm sure the previous shrinks were just shrinks with no appreciable IPC gains.
In existing applications, yes. But that is not the point of Haswell...There was also a small IPC boost which will probably only be duplicated with Haswell. I would not expect more than 10%.
Possibly that's why Intel has an inventory surplus, because more people than just you thought that way?IMO Ivy Brodge was a skip a gen release. Especially for a gamer anyway.
Possibly that's why Intel has an inventory surplus, because more people than just you thought that way?
When you say "people", you're referring to the average person, right?I really do fear that haswell will be another bust for the enthusiast market. An underwhelming improvement and more of the same. People just dont get excited about an intel launch any more, not like they used to anyway. I see more people today interested in the next qualcomm or samsung SOC for their phone.
When you say "people", you're referring to the average person, right?
Enthusiasts will always be highly interested in advancements on the desktop front, by definition. I mean, just look at the posters in this thread.
CPU's have always kind of been the 2nd part of an enthusiast gamers rig. Graphics first, cpu second.
Even graphics upgrades are becoming more and more difficult to justify. Up until the last couple of rounds I basically bought a new gpu every year, new cpu every other year but now the gpu is really slowing as well. I had a Phenom II 940 that lasted me 3 years before buying this 2500K. Now my 6850 is 2 years and a couple of months old. Clearly my next upgrade will be graphics, but even at that I'm questioning the need.
Before this I had graphics cards like the 4870, 8800GT, x1950 Pro, 6600 GT etc. I had a couple of Athlons, skipped Phenom I obviously, christ I even had a P4 back when.
I'm what I would consider an average enthusiast, and if the rest of the average enthusiasts are acting like me then it's clear that the enthusiast side of things is in a lot of trouble. I'm just not buying enthusiast tech, and it's not due to a lack of money.
No actually. Go take a look over at Xtremesystems forums where that place used to be crawling with ES samples being benched and real performance buzz used to be around a new CPU coming on to the market.
All i see now are 100 page threads about motherboards that launched 3 years ago.
People expect GPU performance gains to be 20%+ every year.
Arm delivers huge increases every year in mobile and the mobile GPU companies also deliver big gains every generation.
Phone manufacturers increase performance in devices substantially every year too.
Intel wonders why their profits are falling 27%? Its because they dont push the envelope anymore and they havnt since the C2D days when they had to shake things up because of AMD. Nehalem put the nail in the coffin and we have suffered because of that ever since.
I really do fear that haswell will be another bust for the enthusiast market. An underwhelming improvement and more of the same. People just dont get excited about an intel launch any more, not like they used to anyway. I see more people today interested in the next qualcomm or samsung SOC for their phone.
I cant help but feel like these are the Prescot days all over again... The overheating and chasing clock speeds thing rings a bell
They destroyed their forum on the BD hype. Completely different thing.
after the p67 fiasco I'll think I will let others be the guinea pig since this will be a new socket and most likely a new chipset too.
BD hype?
Yes. AMD shock troop hyped Bulldozer to death there. To them, Bulldozer was going to conquer the world. The forum suffered with that, lots of good people banned by the designs of the troop. After Bulldozer flopped, the credibility of the shock troop suffered and the guys who were banned and a lot of them very good people, didn't come back. The forum is now what it is.
Poetic Justice at it's finest no?
The reason i like Anandtech so much.
While we most are Intel heavy - i believe most of us are it because the disadvantage of the other side is too heavy\intel too good.
Not because we're fanbois.
Agreed, there was a time when AMD had a huge following on this board, particularly starting with the Slot A Athlon days (some could argue that it started back in the K6 days). Intel had a real competitor at that time that lasted until Core2 debuted. Obviously everyone is fairly aware of the rest of that story.
Your understanding of the semiconductor industry is completely off.People expect GPU performance gains to be 20%+ every year.
Arm delivers huge increases every year in mobile and the mobile GPU companies also deliver big gains every generation.
Phone manufacturers increase performance in devices substantially every year too.
Your understanding of the semiconductor industry is completely off.
The performance of GPUs increases so much because the applications they are used are are very, very parallel. You can quite literally take a GPU, do a full node shrink, double the units, and receive twice the performance assuming perfect scaling. This involves zero architectural changes. The only design changes are accommodations for new libraries.
So the GPU comparison isn't even remotely relevant.
As far as ARM goes, the tricks that they are using for increased performance gains are tricks that Intel used up decades ago. They'l run into the same wall Intel did.
Why do you make baseless argument after baseless argument?