Intel to Detail 14nm Process on August 11

[Arachnotronic]

http://www.intc.com/eventdetail.cfm?eventid=149021

The endless debates about TSMC/Samsung/Intel 16/14nm density, performance, and power will be put to rest on August 11.

 

[jdubs03]

http://www.intc.com/eventdetail.cfm?eventid=149021

The endless debates about TSMC/Samsung/Intel 16/14nm density, performance, and power will be put to rest on August 11.

Hallelujah. Monday should be pretty packed, as Nvidia is detailing Denver too.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Hallelujah. Monday should be pretty packed, as Nvidia is detailing Denver too.

Can't wait!

 

[monstercameron]

What is so special about this 14nm process? isnt based on finfets like the current 22nm uarch?

 

[Arachnotronic]

What is so special about this 14nm process? isnt based on finfets like the current 22nm uarch?

Intel has made some very bold claims about how its 14nm process is much denser than that from its competition.

We'll get to know from the gritty technical specs whether Intel was correct to signal this or not.

It's been a long time since Intel did a solid, interesting technical presentation.

 

[jdubs03]

What is so special about this 14nm process? isnt based on finfets like the current 22nm uarch?

I think its just the notion that there will be some additional information about the process. I mean its about time to be honest.

 

[Khato]

Awesome. Definitely is about time! Wonder what level of detail they'll provide both on their own process and comparisons to the competition. At this point there's not much reason for them to not give full details given that products will soon be available and with that shall be the corresponding reverse engineering on the part of competition. Though will they give us better guidance on current yield rates for 14nm? Or just gloss over such with a proclamation that it's good enough to release product.

Regardless, it's been what over three years since their 22nm announcement? Heh.

 

[Roland00Address]

Do we have confirmed technical specs of the 20nm, 16nm, or 14nm TMSC or Samsung processes?

 

[frozentundra123456]

I am sure it will not put to rest the debate about which process is better. Intel fans will claim it proves how far ahead they are, and intel haters will argue that is it only public relations BS.

Personally, I dont really care about any of the arguments about how dense 14 nm is, or how Samsung's, et. al. processes compare, etc.

Just get the damn chips out and lets see some benchmarks and power consumption figures.

 

[videogames101]

Anyone who matters already knows which process is denser, faster, and lower power.

 

[jdubs03]

Here is some Broadwell product-based information. September 5th at IFA.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2462402/intel-preps-for-its-broadwell-launch-but-businesses-arent-waiting-for-the-new-cpus.html

 

[firewolfsm]

Haha, I liked that bit at the end about businesses saving money buy upgrading computers every two years instead of 4.

 

[Khato]

Do we have confirmed technical specs of the 20nm, 16nm, or 14nm TMSC or Samsung processes?

I know that there have been some TSMC papers which deal with both their 20nm and 16nm process, but I'm not aware of similar for Samsung. As well, I tend to believe Intel's analysis of how they compare to TSMC given that Intel has been a TSMC customer and as such almost certainly has that information. Sure, Intel doesn't have anything on their roadmap which is set to use TSMC's 20nm or 16nm process, but I'd be quite surprised if TSMC shut them out. Especially since the question of how they compare didn't really even come up until Intel shot across their bow back in last year's investor meeting. The same can't be said for Samsung of course - likely the only non-public data Intel would have on Samsung's process would be whatever hints Apple might throw around in the course of negotiations.

 

[dealcorn]

Intel successfully played the process lead card three years ago at 22nm. That card bought credulity for Intel's mobile ambitions. More of the same will be interesting but competitive pdf's should be updated to say "same same" within a month. This Event will not settle the pdf war.

Cherry Trail should provide definitive guidance whether Intel's process leadership matters. I understand "Rookie Errors" such as the design target error for Baytrail-T. With Cherry Trail, Intel is not a rookie any more. If market acceptance of Cherry Trail is strong enough, it should settle the debate whether Intel's process leadership matters. If process leadership matters in tablets, it matters for cell phones. Cherry Trail may alter capital investment decisions across the industry.

Still, there is no way I will miss the Event.

 

[soccerballtux]

Anyone who matters already knows which process is denser, fatter, and lower power.

that would be your brain, sir

 

[Fjodor2001]

I think it will be very interesting to finally get some more details on Intel's 14 nm process. However as others have concluded, Intel do not have all the technical details on Samsung/GF's 14 nm so I don't see how they will be able to compare the relevant metrics (transistor density, power consumption, transistor cost, ...), which is needed to settle the debate. Hopefully Samsung/GF/TSMC will have similar presentations later, and then we might be able to draw more well informed conclusions.

 

[witeken]

http://www.intc.com/eventdetail.cfm?eventid=149021

The endless debates about TSMC/Samsung/Intel 16/14nm density, performance, and power will be put to rest on August 11.

...After some smart semiconductor person compiles the data and shows us how to interpret it.

Though will they give us better guidance on current yield rates for 14nm?

Brian Krzanich said 14nm is a healthy process right now. You will never get better yield information, because yields are kept as secret as possible.

 

[witeken]

I know that there have been some TSMC papers which deal with both their 20nm and 16nm process, but I'm not aware of similar for Samsung. As well, I tend to believe Intel's analysis of how they compare to TSMC given that Intel has been a TSMC customer and as such almost certainly has that information. Sure, Intel doesn't have anything on their roadmap which is set to use TSMC's 20nm or 16nm process, but I'd be quite surprised if TSMC shut them out. Especially since the question of how they compare didn't really even come up until Intel shot across their bow back in last year's investor meeting. The same can't be said for Samsung of course - likely the only non-public data Intel would have on Samsung's process would be whatever hints Apple might throw around in the course of negotiations.

Intel's notes in the 2 slides:

Competitor area scaling source: ARM Tech Con 2012, TSMC Keynote. Oct. 30, 2012

Sources: TSMC keynote, ARM Tech Con
2012, Oct. 30, 2012. Intel data
Alignment based on internal assessment

 

[Arachnotronic]

Haha, I liked that bit at the end about businesses saving money buy upgrading computers every two years instead of 4.

This is probably "sponsored" research like the "study" that came out showing that Windows 8 tablets (powered by Intel) were superior to iPads for work.

 

[Fjodor2001]

http://www.intc.com/eventdetail.cfm?eventid=149021

The endless debates about TSMC/Samsung/Intel 16/14nm density, performance, and power will be put to rest on August 11.

Where did you find details on what this info presentation will cover? I can only find the title which is "Advancing Moore's Law in 2014", and it's not so clear what that will cover.

 

[witeken]

How do you advance Moore's Law? By shrinking transistors. How will they do that in 2014? With 14nm. Here are all the sessions.

First things first: Technology Insight: 14 nm Process Technology – Opening New Horizons

Topics in this Technology Insight include:
• Transistor and interconnect features on Intel’s 14 nm process technology are described that provide industry-leading performance, power and density capabilities
• The 14 nm generation continues Moore’s Law in providing lower cost-per-transistor
• The 14 nm technology offers a rich mix-and-match feature set that enables a broad range of products from high performance server to low power mobile products
• 14 nm is Intel’s newest foundry technology offering, supported with a wide range of design tools

There is also this: Technology Insight: Intel's Next Generation 14nm Microarchitecture for Client and Server

Join this Technology Insight given by some of our brightest technology stars. Hear how we have used our 14nm process technology to provide the latest innovations for processor, graphics and media into our next generation Intel microarchitecture.

There are also many things about graphics, with the most interesting one probably being The Compute Architecture of Intel® Processor Graphics Gen8:

This session describes the architecture’s compute components in detail. It is an ideal foundation for anyone seeking to better understand or better optimize compute applications for Intel® Processor Graphics.

Topics include:
• Description and explanation of the architecture’s components and scaling for different products
• Explanation of the architecture’s connection to other SoC components.
• Explanation of the architecture’s memory
• Explanation of new components for supporting programmability features such as shared virtual memory

Another notable session is: Intel® Processor Graphics: Power Optimization in Graphics Architecture

As computing devices get smaller, optimizing the platform for great performance in smaller power budgets is key to delivering the best user experience.

This session will:
• Explain why new architectural techniques are important to deliver better performance in lower power:
The physics of power consumption
Implications for power and performance vs. device size
• Discuss and demonstrate some features of the Intel® Graphics Architecture which make it ideal in those environments

 

[Fjodor2001]

Thanks! Lot's of interesting stuff there. I hope Anandtech and/or similar site(s) will be there to cover it.

Apparently Intel will publish a Webcast URL here 24 hours before the event start time too. Not sure if that is open to everyone though?

 

[Arachnotronic]

Thanks! Lot's of interesting stuff there. I hope Anandtech and/or similar site(s) will be there to cover it.

Apparently Intel will publish a Webcast URL here 24 hours before the event start time too. Not sure if that is open to everyone though?

The webcast is likely public, and IDF .pdf and video recordings will go up on the IDF 2014 site at some point after IDF ends.

I do think that if there was ever a year to attend IDF in person, it would be this year.

 

[FatherMurphy]

Hallelujah. Monday should be pretty packed, as Nvidia is detailing Denver too.

Wait, what?

 

[witeken]

Wait, what?

Hot Chips 26

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