Yep, greed from endusers who wants everything without willing to pay.
Where do I buy a multiplier-unlocked Haswell with TSX?
Yep, greed from endusers who wants everything without willing to pay.
Buy a plain 4770 with z88 board then run all cores at turbo speed (it's just a setting in the bios).
Thats sadly does not work with haswell anymore. Probably exactly because it would make the K version even more useless for people in doubt.
I'd hardly consider it useless as well because believe it or not, some people don't care about OC'ing.
What's with the feeling of entitlement here? Personally, what i've noticed is that CPU prices have remained largely static for nearly 15 years. With that being the case, I have never - not once - complained about paying 20-30 more bucks for a K SKU. I remember when the Pentium 150 was released, the cost was nearly 600$. Back then, you didn't choose between a core or i5 or i3 - if you wanted something performed as an enthusiast part, guess what - you're paying 600-700$ for the CPU. There was no "cheaper" i5. There was no "cheaper" i3. You paid 600$ and that's that. If you wanted the best quake performance possible circa 1996, guess what. You're dropping 600-700$ on the CPU alone.
One of the best budget chips of all time, the celeron 300-a (this would now be equivalent to a core i3) was 200 bucks at release. i3's are far cheaper than that chip ever was.
The fact of the matter is that intel's pricing has barely budged for their respective segments, yet the users demand more and more as time goes on. 800mhz OC ? That isn't enough. We want a 1.5GHz overclock. And we want it for the lowest possible price. What's up with that? Give it a rest already.
Intel's pricing is not unreasonable. 20-30$ more for a K SKU is also not unreasonable. What is unreasonable is the level of entitlement that users expect these days. A 1ghz overclock isn't enough apparently. They want a 2ghz overclock from a 150$ CPU. Whatever. Users want more while paying less, that's the only unreasonable thing I've seen. The fact of the matter is, like I said, intel's pricing has largely not changed in greater than a decade - only user expectations have inflated. Their pricing for what you get is completely reasonable compared with the situation from 10-15 years ago.
That's what he was saying.You just can't overclock the turbo speeds.
It's the lack of progress that's making people frustrated. Many owners of Sandy Bridge systems have the money to spend on upgrading to a new platform and CPU. It's just that no CPU worth upgrading to exists.
When one uses performance as the only measuring stick of progress, yeah, they're going to be disappointed and deserve to be; they're not looking at the big picture.I agree that CPU pricing is still very reasonable considering the lack of competition. Even in the highest-end, those $999 CPUs are nothing new. The AMD FX and Pentium 4 EE also sold for $1,000 many years ago.
It's the lack of progress that's making people frustrated. Many owners of Sandy Bridge systems have the money to spend on upgrading to a new platform and CPU. It's just that no CPU worth upgrading to exists.
I feel like those numbers are off, particularly the typical Haswell overclocking range.In 2011, you could buy a Sandy Bridge and OC to 4.5 - 5 GHz. Fast forward to 2013, and you can buy a 4770K and OC to 4.2 - 4.6 GHz. The 2013 system will be anywhere from 90% to 110% of the performance of the 2011 system, depending on the particular application and overclock...
Those features are more than worth the general performance reduction, provided you actually make use of them. However, I do agree that it's crappy for them to force you to make such a choice.and if you want those performance improvements, you have to buy a K CPU and give up several important features like TSX and VT-d. If you want those features, you're stuck with a 3.5 GHz Haswell, giving you about 75% the performance of an overclocked system from 2011.
Traditional scaling died somewhere around a decade ago. It was bound to happen, with the way Intel and AMD were racing to best each other in performance, akin to the USA and the USSR stockpiling nuclear arms. Eventually, both sides realized that their decisions were folly, and the name of the game has changed.Intel is asking for $300 for something that is at best marginally faster than what they already have, and in the worst case actually slower.
This is very different from how it has been historically, with ever-increasing clock speeds and IPC resulting in twice the performance every 2 years.
The problem here is how Intel segments the market. Why if I want to overclock a Haswell, not only that I have to pay more for a K series (Plus Z Chipset), but I'm also being forced to drop VT-d and TSX? Back at that time, progression was lineal, you usually got more performance or features as you get higher in price. This tradeoff is ridiculous.What's with the feeling of entitlement here? Personally, what i've noticed is that CPU prices have remained largely static for nearly 15 years. With that being the case, I have never - not once - complained about paying 20-30 more bucks for a K SKU. I remember when the Pentium 150 was released, the cost was nearly 600$. Back then, you didn't choose between a core or i5 or i3 - if you wanted something performed as an enthusiast part, guess what - you're paying 600-700$ for the CPU. There was no "cheaper" i5. There was no "cheaper" i3. You paid 600$ and that's that. If you wanted the best quake performance possible circa 1996, guess what. You're dropping 600-700$ on the CPU alone.
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Intel's pricing is not unreasonable. 20-30$ more for a K SKU is also not unreasonable. What is unreasonable is the level of entitlement that users expect these days.
I also don't agree with you in regards to the rate of progress. One year from 1995-1996 would give you a new Pentium CPU running 16mhz faster.
My upgrade history in the 90's and early 00's:
14 MHz 68020
40 MHz 68030
133 MHz Pentium
400 MHz K6-2
900 MHz Athlon
1733 MHz Athlon
Some of those were only a few years apart, just like Sandy and Haswell. Looking forward to that 9 GHz Haswell in 2015.
Where do I buy a multiplier-unlocked Haswell with TSX?