Intel vs. AMD

[DarkKnight69]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: fatty4ksu

Intel daul cores are way cheaper than AMD DC's

Exactly. :thumbsup:

This is the guy endorsing Greenman...Hahahahaha....

Yeah and Semprons are cheaper then Intel Dual cores....What does that prove??? Being cheaper as seen with Intel products doesnt really translate that much....Intel is just selling them for what they are worth...

What I have shown you is for you to build an 820 system the money you will save is really a lot less then most will have you believe....The numbers are there...dispute them if you wish....

Sales are fine but if they are not obtainable a majority of the time then what are they good for...PLus he paid 400 for it still and that is with an 820....



If you really think about what you are buying iot is depressing...An 820 is a 2.8ghz P4 prescott without HT...ouch....You have to OC otherwise like I said you are getting a cpu slower in single threaded apps then cpus from 2-3 years ago...

You are making yourself sound like a idiot. So you have an X2 that you likely paid over 500$ for...News Flash, you buy a processor for what you need it. I paid $115 for my processor and I am willing to bet I can Own you at any game on the market...But stating that might enlarge my epeenor and I would not like that. So I ask you:

WHAT THE F**K DID YOU BUY A DUAL CORE AMD FOR??? DO YOU FEEL BIGGER WITH IT. DOES IT MAKE YOU HAPPY IN YOUR PANTS THAT YOUR DUAL CORE BEATS INTELS DUAL CORE. DOES IT MAKE YOU HAPPY IN YOUR PANTS THAT YOU BLEW MORE MONEY ON YOUR CPU THAN I DID ON MY CPU, MOBO, AND RAM????? DO YOU FEEL SPECIAL!!!

I will give you a cookie and tell you to grow up... If you are doing basic multithreading the 8xx series will do you well at a far cheaper price. If you are gaming then the single core amd's and the Dothan will own it. I am seeing a trend here...WHERE DOES THE X2 FIT IN????

Rich boy punks who think they are cool because they blew $500 on a processor.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: DarkKnight69

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: fatty4ksu

Intel daul cores are way cheaper than AMD DC's

Exactly. :thumbsup:

This is the guy endorsing Greenman...Hahahahaha....

Yeah and Semprons are cheaper then Intel Dual cores....What does that prove??? Being cheaper as seen with Intel products doesnt really translate that much....Intel is just selling them for what they are worth...

What I have shown you is for you to build an 820 system the money you will save is really a lot less then most will have you believe....The numbers are there...dispute them if you wish....

Sales are fine but if they are not obtainable a majority of the time then what are they good for...PLus he paid 400 for it still and that is with an 820....



If you really think about what you are buying iot is depressing...An 820 is a 2.8ghz P4 prescott without HT...ouch....You have to OC otherwise like I said you are getting a cpu slower in single threaded apps then cpus from 2-3 years ago...

You are making yourself sound like a idiot. So you have an X2 that you likely paid over 500$ for...News Flash, you buy a processor for what you need it. I paid $115 for my processor and I am willing to bet I can Own you at any game on the market...But stating that might enlarge my epeenor and I would not like that. So I ask you:

WHAT THE F**K DID YOU BUY A DUAL CORE AMD FOR??? DO YOU FEEL BIGGER WITH IT. DOES IT MAKE YOU HAPPY IN YOUR PANTS THAT YOUR DUAL CORE BEATS INTELS DUAL CORE. DOES IT MAKE YOU HAPPY IN YOUR PANTS THAT YOU BLEW MORE MONEY ON YOUR CPU THAN I DID ON MY CPU, MOBO, AND RAM????? DO YOU FEEL SPECIAL!!!

I will give you a cookie and tell you to grow up... If you are doing basic multithreading the 8xx series will do you well at a far cheaper price. If you are gaming then the single core amd's and the Dothan will own it. I am seeing a trend here...WHERE DOES THE X2 FIT IN????

Rich boy punks who think they are cool because they blew $500 on a processor.

HEY RETARD!!!

As I said you sh^t talkin little fanboy....Prove my statement wrong instead of attacking the message.....Prove wrong my prices I have listed in the thread that I linked above.....

WAY CHEAPER!!!! Prove it. You are like all the other Intel fanboy trash in this forum. Never can prove a word you say..Hit and run!!! I guess why should I be surprised.....


I paid 535 for mine, yes. Worth every dolllar too.....Best upgrade I have ever made including all the INtel cpus I purchased when I was exclusively INtel for the last 4 years. I am not the only Ex-INtel owner to have these feelings since buying an X2 recently either...I bet that really chaps an INtel Fanboys hide.


<<If you are doing basic multithreading the 8xx series will do you well at a far cheaper price. >>

I dont think so. I am currently building my 2nd X2 system with a 3800+ X2 for 379.00 from Mwave....I paid 86.00 for the mobo for a grand total of 467.00 for cpu/mobo.....Go find me an 820 with quality ocing mobo for 380-400 bucks...Then stop to think the 3800+ which at stock according to reviews is 20% faster in Multimedia, 30% faster in gaming, and 20% faster in 3d Cad apps. If I can buy it for 467 versus 380-400 then I paid about 20% more in price for 20+% more in performance...seems like the more sensible thing to do.....

NOw lets talk Ocing...I can likely get the 3800+ X2 (like most accounts so far) up to 2.5-2.6ghz on air. 500-600 more mhz over stock. 500-600 more mhz RETARD on an AMD system translate more to more like 800mhz+ for the 8xx series....Let me know how I am going to get the 800mhz on air let alone need another 400-50mhz to fill in the 20% deficit in performance. According to benches I have seen it will need to be 4-4.2ghz to match an X2 at 2.6ghz range....

Sorry that seems to hurt an INtel fanboy so much. It must just make you weep into your pillow at night that your beloved Intel has such a weak product as of late...

You dont have to be a rich boy to buy a 500 dollar processor you stupid fvcking 16 year old retaded Intel biatch boy!!!!

 

[Banzai042]

How long till dothan comes in here and flames us all for being retards that don't believe that the intel dual core hammers the AMD X2

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: DarkKnight69
Rich boy punks who think they are cool because they blew $500 on a processor.

Or those punks who threw a Dothan in to a desktop board and thought it would own everything?

I'm starting to think threads with "Intel vs. AMD" should just be locked and deleted automatically around here.

 

[coomar]

there does seem to be less admins around lately hasn't there?

 

[MBrown]

wow...total ownage.

Duvie

 

[DarkKnight69]

Hey, before you start calling me out as a fanboy, why dont you answer the question! Why did you buy an X2. If you are doing basic Multitasking, you can get a 830 for 315.00 and it will do the True multithreading...But I dont know many programs that do multithreading or am not forseeing any games that utilize it in the near future.

If you do not do multitasking, why didnt you just spend 375 on a 4000+ and have a single threaded processor that would be comparably one of the best. Damn, my 3000 winnie hits 3500+ easily and that is a very nice speed.

so then i ask...why did you buy the x2??

Oh, and for the record, I only own 2 intel systems, I have 5 AMD systems, including 2 semprons cuz they rip the pants off low end intel. So before you go out calling me a fanboy *cough*(look in the mirror), take a look at why you blew 500$ on that processor...Oh, and my Dothan will decimate that thing in gaming...

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: DarkKnight69
Hey, before you start calling me out as a fanboy, why dont you answer the question! Why did you buy an X2. If you are doing basic Multitasking, you can get a 830 for 315.00 and it will do the True multithreading...But I dont know many programs that do multithreading or am not forseeing any games that utilize it in the near future.

Who are you to decide the value of a chip relative to someone's (perceived or otherwise) computing needs?

Oh, and for the record, I only own 2 intel systems, I have 5 AMD systems, including 2 semprons cuz they rip the pants off low end intel. So before you go out calling me a fanboy *cough*(look in the mirror), take a look at why you blew 500$ on that processor...Oh, and my Dothan will decimate that thing in gaming...

Your Dothan will be plowed senseless with a lowly 9800 Pro. Sorry.

 

[DarkKnight69]

I still play BF2 1024x768 full detail, no pain there...

Gives me 25k in 3dmark01!

 

[Markfw]

9800pro and a 2.7 Dothan ? Spent all your money on the cpu, and no money for a video card ? My 3000 winchester at 2.4 and a 6800GT will own your Dothan+9800pro at gaming, and for a lot less money.

And for your 830, Duvie's thread on the cost/performance on the X2 vs 8xx has already shown they are cheaper. And yes Duvie has a lot of multu-threaded apps he runs. DarkKnight69, you need to back up your opinions with a few facts or you are trolling. Duvie backs his up. Where are yours ?

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: Pabster
I'm starting to think threads with "Intel vs. AMD" should just be locked and deleted automatically around here.

Here Here!

I agree with Pabster, shocking :Q

 

[Viditor]

$500 for a CPU that is fun to play with AND achieves practical work???

Don't see a problem with that...of course I'm still trying to justify why I spent $86,000 on a bloody car!

 

[DarkKnight69]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
9800pro and a 2.7 Dothan ? Spent all your money on the cpu, and no money for a video card ? My 3000 winchester at 2.4 and a 6800GT will own your Dothan+9800pro at gaming, and for a lot less money.

Are you saying that your 6800gt and your 3000+ cost less than 300$?? I paid $130 for the 9800 and $115 for the Processor...Adaptor cost $51.

 

[imported_Frallan]

Originally posted by: Viditor
$500 for a CPU that is fun to play with AND achieves practical work???

Don't see a problem with that...of course I'm still trying to justify why I spent $86,000 on a bloody car!

Total Ownage!!!!

And i feel for U Im trying to justify a second hand Porsche Boxter thats gonne set me back about 50k$ and thats hard enough. There isn't much I could say or do to myself to justify more then that let alone almost 90 Grand...

Well maybe I can help U.... Its really simple - U only live once and u can always sell it when u need the money..

Now

/Lock Thread pls....

 

[Gamer X]

Single cores are going the way of the dodo,Intel dual cores are crap.
X2's are the way to go right now.

 

[DarkKnight69]

Ok you are calling me out on this so I will make a point.

lets look at raw percentages on the data to cost. I want to start out with that this data came from here:

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=145&type=expert&pid=1

It was a nice easy review to read, but many were very similar.

all prices were gathered from www.newegg.com

Current Prices
820-$241
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116213

4400-$553
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103546

Total % difference in price- +129%


SiSoft cpu 2004
ALU
820-7741
4400-14476
Percent Difference- +87%

FPU
820-6935
4400-9203
Percent Difference- +32%

SiSoft cpu 2005
ALU
820-15202
4400-20580
Percent Difference- +35%

FPU
820-6932
4400-9094
Percent Difference- +31%

UT2003 Max Detail!
640x480
820-147.4
4400-249.7
Percent Difference- +70%

1024x768
820-147.2
4400-249.8
Percent Difference- +70%

1600x1200
820-145.8
4400-227.9
Percent Difference- +56%

3dmark01-1024x768
820-20125
4400-26156
Percent Difference- +30%

3dmark03 default
820-11555
4400-12054
Percent Difference- +4%

3dmark05 cpu test
test1
820-2.7
4400-2.9
Percent Difference- +7%

test2
820-4.3
4400-5.7
Percent Difference- +33%

Doom 3 V1.1 Demo-Ultimate Quality
640x480
820-77.9
4400-95.5
Percent Difference- +23%

Far Cry 1.3 1600x1200
820-59.1
4400-73.7
Percent Difference- +25%

business winstone
820-23.3
4400-30.2
Percent Difference- +30%

creations winstone
820-26.8
4400-34.9
Percent Difference- +30%

world bench 5 overall
820-91
4400-104
Percent Difference- +14%

DivX encoding
820-219.33
4400-282.12
Percent Difference- +30%

mp3 LAME encoding(time lower = better)
820-208
4400-168
Percent Difference- +24%

WinRAR data compression (time lower = better)
820-245
4400-202
Percent Difference- +22%

PCmark04 CPU
820-5671
4400-6228
Percent Difference- +10%

CineBench 2003 Render-(CB-CPU)
820-463
4400-590
Percent Difference- +27%

I am failing to see your point here...I do not deny the x2 is better buy $/performance is lacking hardcore!!!

 

[Markfw]

X2 3800+ vs 820, NOT the 4400. Check Duvie's thread on the subject, I don;t want to go over it all again. Look here

 

[Pabster]

First of all, never use Sandra as any means of comparison. You must be a newbie...

Secondly, are you arguing that 30%+ (in some areas 70%) is not worth that 129% price difference?

If so I think you will find some dissenting opinions!

 

[erikvanvelzen]

yeah and next time you're gonna compare the celeron D to the fx-57 right?

BTW I'm an Intel fan and do agree that the Pentium D offers better value. Mobo and memory prices of both platforms are equal now (yes they are! look it up!).

edit: markfw beat me

ok i decided to talk to the unbelievers of my statement. I picked the cheapest stuff i could find.

CPU: Intel Pentium D 820 ? 239,59
Mobo: ASUS P5VD1-X ? 68,53
TOTAL: 308,12


CPU: AMD Athlon X2 3800+ ? 341,93
Elitegroup ECS-nForce4-A939: ? 46,14
TOTAL: 387,14

Thats almost ? 80 difference.

Both of these boards use DDR so no need to include that. But to prove that this also doesn't change much:

cheapest 512MB DDR400: ? 36,90
cheapest 512MB DDR2-533: ? 37,99

prices are from www.geizhals.at/eu

 

[Pabster]

Ok. So you'd rather spend $325 on a 830 Smithfield than $375 for an X2 3800+?

$50 buys you a lot more power, no matter how you look at it. And I'm not even factoring in power consumption and heat output here.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: erikvanvelzen
yeah and next time you're gonna compare the celeron D to the fx-57 right?

BTW I'm an Intel fan and do agree that the Pentium D offers better value. Mobo and memory prices of both platforms are equal now (yes they are! look it up!).

edit: markfw beat me

Why don't you Look here, and reply with some figures to dispute Duvies
Also, the extra heat and electric bill for less computing power is a good choice ? You need to justify your position, otherwise it is just fanboy crap spewing.

 

[DarkKnight69]

the x2 3800+ looks like good value and good performance, but I am not seeing it with the 4400+.

The reason i used all the benchmarks is to see all the differences. The 3800+ definatly seems worth it compared tot he 8xx series...

 

[Pabster]

Why not compare the 4400+ to the Intel alternative? We'll have to use the 840 D because the EE is nearly 50% more than the 4400+ Retail Box!

The 4400+ is considerably faster than the 840 D - yet they are priced within $1 of each other currently. So where is the P/P issue with the 4400+?

In fact, the 4400+ can walk over the 840 EE (at stock) in many areas!

You really need to compare apples to apples.

 

[DarkKnight69]

my point was, as I do recall, if you are a hardcore gamer, the single core AMD's are much better than dual core, and if you are a basic home user/multitasker, the Intel will provide you with performance that will make most people happy.

The reason I was comparing the 440 to the 820 is because I was discussing it regarding basic computing. I still dont understand why you blow 500$ on a damn processor that is 30% better than an intel counter part. Even from that persepective, buy the 3800+.

 

[Leper Messiah]

sooo...an 820 is going to make it to 3.4 tops on air. and I'm being generous. a 3800+ can do 2.5 pretty easily, which needs about a 4.2 PD to be the equivalent. Yeah. Anyways...