Intel Vs AMD

[Mir96TA]

I am in the market of upgrading my Computer from Intel P4 3.4 EE to what ever is 0ut at best bang for the buck.
In ideally I want to use my old DDR and AGP card if I could ???
I wanted to get inexpensive Route; however I want to get known good MB too.
For Example my Fav was ABit IC7 or P875 Chipset for P4 MB
I have not used AMD since K2 250 Mhz times hee eeeeeee
So I do not know what is out for for AMD for best bang for the memory
I know AMD and Intel they both are cutting their price very aggressively
so I would like to take advanatge of that.
Now I do not have plans to O.C. perhaps little bit
It would be running Straight 24 hrs on Air Cool system
Goal is to have quieter PC if I could.
In past I loved XP120 Heat sinker with SilenX fans

 

[DrMrLordX]

Maybe you should get an e4400 + asrock dual-vsta:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157107

 

[Jaxidian]

I've got the Asrock dual video slot AMD board and it's a great board - I highly recommend it if you're not planning on OCing but want to get more out of your AGP card while still being able to upgrade to PCI-e in the future. They're uber flexible like that.

-Jax

 

[Rottie]

if skt939 motherboard is hard to find you can find plenty of AMD AM2 motherboard but i doubt any AM2 motherboard have AGP and you can't use anything from your old motherboard over to AM2 like memory, etc.
or you can go with Asrock motherboard if they have more in stock.

 

[Rottie]

wait is that you Mir96TA again?

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Mir96TA
I am in the market of upgrading my Computer from Intel P4 3.4 EE to what ever is 0ut at best bang for the buck.
In ideally I want to use my old DDR and AGP card if I could ???
I wanted to get inexpensive Route; however I want to get known good MB too.
For Example my Fav was ABit IC7 or P875 Chipset for P4 MB
I have not used AMD since K2 250 Mhz times hee eeeeeee
So I do not know what is out for for AMD for best bang for the memory
I know AMD and Intel they both are cutting their price very aggressively
so I would like to take advanatge of that.
Now I do not have plans to O.C. perhaps little bit
It would be running Straight 24 hrs on Air Cool system
Goal is to have quieter PC if I could.
In past I loved XP120 Heat sinker with SilenX fans

Issues:
1. All Intel and most AMD chips will require you to buy new DDR2 ram. The exception is the socket 939 AMD chips. If you need to use the existing ram I suggest the X2 4800+ ($225 from NewEgg). It will be on par with the lower end Core 2 Duo chips...
2. The AGP is a different problem, and you might consider an on-board solution as many of the newer on-boards are equal to many of the AGP cards.
I would probably suggest the Asus A8N32-SLI as this has excellent on-board graphics and you can add a PCIe card down the track.
A8N32-SLI
Or there is a combo deal with an X2 3800+ for $210 available as well...I should be clear...that's chip + mobo for $210 total.

 

[o1die]

3B tech has an msi nforce3 socket 939 board for $79 that has 4 ddr slots with agp. Newegg still has some cheap 939 cpus that should work fine, or you can get the dual core x2 3800 for $90.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Issues:
1. All Intel and most AMD chips will require you to buy new DDR2 ram.

Nah, the ASRock board I linked above will support Core 2 chips and has an AGP slot and two DDR slots. That's about the best performance option you can get for AGP/DDR systems these days, especially if you're not going to be doing any major overclocking.

 

[Borealis7]

intel! INTEL! buy INTEL!!! only Intel!! Intel's da bomb dude! Intel r0Xx0rZ yo B0Xxor$!!

there better be a check in my mail tomorrow.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Originally posted by: Viditor

Issues:
1. All Intel and most AMD chips will require you to buy new DDR2 ram.

Nah, the ASRock board I linked above will support Core 2 chips and has an AGP slot and two DDR slots. That's about the best performance option you can get for AGP/DDR systems these days, especially if you're not going to be doing any major overclocking.

Thanks Doc...some questions though:
Doesn't that board use a version of MTH which converts the data? (If it does, it should be far slower than the AMD scenario...)
Does anyone have any experience with that Asrock or are there any benches out there for comparison?

It just seems to me that it kind of defeats the purpose of spending the extra money for the C2D if it's going to end up slower...

 

[Mir96TA]

Originally posted by: Rottie
wait is that you Mir96TA again?

Yea it is my
some body wants to buy P4 3.4 EE. SO I thought I would use that money to upgrade MB and may left over use in new CPU?

 

[Mir96TA]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: Mir96TA
I am in the market of upgrading my Computer from Intel P4 3.4 EE to what ever is 0ut at best bang for the buck.
In ideally I want to use my old DDR and AGP card if I could ???
I wanted to get inexpensive Route; however I want to get known good MB too.
For Example my Fav was ABit IC7 or P875 Chipset for P4 MB
I have not used AMD since K2 250 Mhz times hee eeeeeee
So I do not know what is out for for AMD for best bang for the memory
I know AMD and Intel they both are cutting their price very aggressively
so I would like to take advanatge of that.
Now I do not have plans to O.C. perhaps little bit
It would be running Straight 24 hrs on Air Cool system
Goal is to have quieter PC if I could.
In past I loved XP120 Heat sinker with SilenX fans

Issues:
1. All Intel and most AMD chips will require you to buy new DDR2 ram. The exception is the socket 939 AMD chips. If you need to use the existing ram I suggest the X2 4800+ ($225 from NewEgg). It will be on par with the lower end Core 2 Duo chips...
2. The AGP is a different problem, and you might consider an on-board solution as many of the newer on-boards are equal to many of the AGP cards.
I would probably suggest the Asus A8N32-SLI as this has excellent on-board graphics and you can add a PCIe card down the track.
A8N32-SLI
Or there is a combo deal with an X2 3800+ for $210 available as well...I should be clear...that's chip + mobo for $210 total.

I have ATi850 with 16 piplines so built in Video card will not able to match the speed.
I also have Low Lat Cas 2.5 memory (1 Gig) I want to use all that.
How is asrock dual-vsta I never heard of them before till now
Are they stand the chance like Abit or Asus or shuttle MB ?

 

[o1die]

Today, Fry's has the e4300 bare cpu with ecs via board for $129. Yesterday, they had the same deal which included the retail boxed heatsink. This board works with ddr and agp only, or you can use ddr2. It's not able to overclock, unless you use the pin mod with some silver conducting material.

 

[Mir96TA]

DuDe
ECS is evil
I will never buy ECS ever

 

[Mir96TA]

How much bare cpu cost e4400
I think I am going to use ThermalRight HSF

 

[setras]

Originally posted by: Mir96TA
Are they stand the chance like Abit or Asus or shuttle MB ?

i have had a couple of asrock boards and never had a problem currently using the p8v88+ but am looking at 775 upgrade later this year thinking about ConRoeXFire-eSATA2 by asrock.

 

[o1die]

Ecs makes pretty good quality boards. They just don't overclock very well. I've had about 8 Ecs boards from Fry's, and they all worked fine. I've had more problems with asus, gigabyte, and msi.

 

[Mir96TA]

Last experince I had was
Dead CPU
BURN PS
and I bought those from FRYS (I must it was heck of Deal)

 

[o1die]

The problem with Fry's is sometimes they sell the cpu with a board that won't post as the bios version is wrong for the cpu they're selling. That's a problem with Fry's, not Ecs.

 

[Mir96TA]

Originally posted by: o1die
The problem with Fry's is sometimes they sell the cpu with a board that won't post as the bios version is wrong for the cpu they're selling. That's a problem with Fry's, not Ecs.

errr
Bios were upto Date (Checked and Fried)
I WILL NOT USE ANY ECS

 

[Arkaign]

I hate to say it, but half-assing it with those DDR1-based mobos is ridiculous at this late point in time. Same with trying to keep an AGP video card. You're already selling at least your Cpu, go ahead and sell the rest of the stuff too, so that you can start out with a good new setup with no weak spots. Go P965 or maybe AM2, get decent DDR2, get a good tower cooler, get a decent PCIe board, you'll come out with something that will be much more flexible in the future.

 

[Rottie]

Originally posted by: Mir96TA
DuDe
ECS is evil
I will never buy ECS ever

I disagree with you ECS treated me very good for 2 years

 

[Mir96TA]

Originally posted by: Rottie

Originally posted by: Mir96TA
DuDe
ECS is evil
I will never buy ECS ever

I disagree with you ECS treated me very good for 2 years

No matter who says what I will never buy ECS Junk

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: Viditor


Thanks Doc...some questions though:
Doesn't that board use a version of MTH which converts the data? (If it does, it should be far slower than the AMD scenario...)
Does anyone have any experience with that Asrock or are there any benches out there for comparison?

It just seems to me that it kind of defeats the purpose of spending the extra money for the C2D if it's going to end up slower...

So far as I know, the board doesn't use an MTH. It's only main drawback is the PCIe slot which only runs at 4x speeds, which won't be an issue here. It's cheap, too. That plus an E4400 from eWiz would set him back about $200, not taking shipping/taxes into account. It usually hits 290 FSB as well, which would give him plenty of headroom with an E4400 if he wanted to overclock it.

Here are Anandtech's articles on the board, for what it's worth:

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2810&p=1
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2813
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2814&p=1

This dude is one of the few to post any benchmarks while using an E6400 on a dual-vsta:

http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/77909774/m/257009171831

(note the second to last post in which a 3800+ wins at 3dMark2006 vs an E6300 . . . the PCIe video card performance really isn't good on the dual-vsta)

Personally I'd rather break free and get an el-cheapo AM2 system than grandfather in DDR and an AGP card, but hey, that's his choice, not mine.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Originally posted by: Viditor


Thanks Doc...some questions though:
Doesn't that board use a version of MTH which converts the data? (If it does, it should be far slower than the AMD scenario...)
Does anyone have any experience with that Asrock or are there any benches out there for comparison?

It just seems to me that it kind of defeats the purpose of spending the extra money for the C2D if it's going to end up slower...

So far as I know, the board doesn't use an MTH. It's only main drawback is the PCIe slot which only runs at 4x speeds, which won't be an issue here. It's cheap, too. That plus an E4400 from eWiz would set him back about $200, not taking shipping/taxes into account. It usually hits 290 FSB as well, which would give him plenty of headroom with an E4400 if he wanted to overclock it.

Here are Anandtech's articles on the board, for what it's worth:

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2810&p=1
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2813
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2814&p=1

This dude is one of the few to post any benchmarks while using an E6400 on a dual-vsta:

http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/77909774/m/257009171831

(note the second to last post in which a 3800+ wins at 3dMark2006 vs an E6300 . . . the PCIe video card performance really isn't good on the dual-vsta)

Personally I'd rather break free and get an el-cheapo AM2 system than grandfather in DDR and an AGP card, but hey, that's his choice, not mine.

Fair call and really good info Doc...thanks for the post.