Intel Vs AMD

[Mir96TA]

Originally posted by: Rottie
are you using E4400 with X850XT card?

Yea Rotie that is True
Well no
I have ATi 850 Pro with 16 pipe lines with Stock Core and Memory Speed

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: Mir96TA
ok I am going to stay with E4400.
I really do not see any performance in normal Usage
Matter of fact P4 was little fast on clicking or doing some thing
perhaps the P875 Chipset is little Faster who knows...
However WHen I play C&C 3 I can see Umph power it is really Smoother

Glad it's working out for you. The P875 chipset probably does have a better IDE controller than the VIA chipset on your new board, but that's just a guess. Do you have VIA's motherboard drivers installed?

btw, feel free to mess with 266 mhz FSB speeds and 8x-10x multipliers. Your chip should be able to handle any of those speeds without difficulty.

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Originally posted by: Mir96TA
ok I am going to stay with E4400.
I really do not see any performance in normal Usage
Matter of fact P4 was little fast on clicking or doing some thing
perhaps the P875 Chipset is little Faster who knows...
However WHen I play C&C 3 I can see Umph power it is really Smoother

Glad it's working out for you. The P875 chipset probably does have a better IDE controller than the VIA chipset on your new board, but that's just a guess. Do you have VIA's motherboard drivers installed?

btw, feel free to mess with 266 mhz FSB speeds and 8x-10x multipliers. Your chip should be able to handle any of those speeds without difficulty.

Well that would just defete everything he is against, for he said he didnt want to really overclcok. Now if he does, the E4400 will give him E67oo speeds, and if he wanted to overclock in the first place could of saved a few bucks more and got a E4300, overclocked it past X6800 speeds. Why would he of paid more to overclock a slower more expensive chip, he said he didnt want to do that, for thats silly

Just messing around op, couldnt resist, when he said to oc it, when that was your huge thing on getting the chip you bought, and not the E4300 in the first place. Kinda silly imo, when if it can do it, without doing damage, or burning up, why the hell not, its like buying a cow and getting all the milk you can drink for free, but to each and their own.

 

[Mir96TA]

I have Orig VIA chipset Drives from Via CHipSet 4 & 1 Drivers

 

[Rottie]

check with VIA website they have latest new Version 5.11A of the Hyperion Pro driver

 

[apoppin]

*be careful* with 5.11A ... i use them but there are issues

http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=1&CatID=1070

Version 5.11A of the Hyperion Pro driver has been released. Issues with audio and/or video playback have been reported. They are caused by a problem with the V-RAID driver. A new V-RAID driver has now been released, v5.50b. If you want to use the Hyperion Pro 5.11A drivers you can download them from here but we recommend installing the V-RAID v5.50b drivers as well.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Unless he's using a RAID array, I wouldn't think the V-RAID driver would pose a problem. But you never know.

 

[kmmatney]

I originally bought the a DualVSTA with my E4400+. It actually overlocked pretty well, but there were too many quirks (problems) with it, so I gave it to my son and spent a bit more any a better motherboard. The DUal VSTA has worked out well in my son's computer, except that it needs to be started twice, since it always fails to boot on the first try.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: kmmatney
I originally bought the a DualVSTA with my E4400+. It actually overlocked pretty well, but there were too many quirks (problems) with it, so I gave it to my son and spent a bit more any a better motherboard. The DUal VSTA has worked out well in my son's computer, except that it needs to be started twice, since it always fails to boot on the first try.

unplug the usb devices

i guess there is too much draw off it on start up ... the worst is - on occasion - i have had to go into BIOS to "remind it" there is a HD
--i just restart it immediately after powering on ... i have too much on USB to plug and unplug

hmm

:light:

-i guess i could use my old powered USB port!
:Q

 

[Mir96TA]

ok Fine I will try to OVER CLOCK......
However that is not my GOAL. I might do for TESTing Purpose
Only option I have to mess around is FSB Speed.
I do not see Clock Multiplyer Option

 

[DrMrLordX]

If you can't tweak the clock multiplier, try something simple like 210 or 220 FSB. That will get you to near-E6400 speeds, and it should be very easy for you. Just don't raise any voltages and you'll be fine.

Your RAM can probably handle up to 266 mhz FSB at a 1:1 ratio.

 

[Mir96TA]

What is the DOWN Side off OC the FSB with STOCK Voltages ?

 

[apoppin]

downside of OC'ing is faster electromigration ... [e.g.] your CPU may only last for 5 of it's rated 7 years

not a big problem for most as these will be antiques in 5 years ... upping voltage increases the deterioration exponentially depending on how much is applied and how well the core is cooled

 

[Mir96TA]

Strange, I think memory on this Coe2 Running little slow compare to P4 3.4 Gig
CPZ memory of IntelCoe2 Pic Check out Freq and FSB Dram
Here is a PIC of P4 Socket 478 Pic

 

[DrMrLordX]

I'm sure the memory is running slower on your Core 2 rig. For some reason, your Core 2 rig has an 8:5 memory divider running on it. Can you change that in the BIOS? You are basically underclocking your memory, big time.

And, apoppin is correct. The only risk is damage caused by electromigration, which is not much of a risk at all. One big thing to keep in mind is that these chips use cores that are virtually identical to cores that Intel has launched at speeds as high as 2.93 ghz. In the case of the E4300 and E4400, they don't have core logic supporting VT and they don't have the same size L2 cache as the E6xxx processors (even the E6300 and E6400 have the 4 megs of L2, just half disabled). In every other respect, they're the same core. So, realistically speaking, you should expect your E4400 to run safely at any speed officially supported by a Core 2 product using the same core.

In other words, speeds up to 2.66 ghz should be "safe" and should be stable at stock vcore. If 2.66 isn't entirely stable, you can back off from it a bit until you stop getting errors. But, the risk factors involved with running your CPU at that speed (or lower) are virtually non-existent so long as you leave vcore alone.

 

[Mir96TA]

Right Now Bios is SET for AUTO
Perhaps I need to Understand the BIOS Feature better
I was hopping Stock vs Stock will be Same as speed as it was before in my Dell SC400

 

[DrMrLordX]

AUTO seems to be setting your RAM to DDR333 speeds. You need to fiddle with it to see if you can get it running at DDR400 speeds. If you try switching away from AUTO, you may see ratios like:

1:1
2:3
8:5
etc . . .

use 1:1

Or you might see memory speed settings like:

DDR400, DDR333, DDR266

Choose DDR400

OR you might see speed settings like

200 mhz, 166 mhz, 133 mhz

choose 200 mhz

That will get your memory running at DDR400 (200 mhz) speeds, at least until you start raising FSB. Then it will set your memory speed to be the same as your FSB speed.

 

[Mir96TA]

Screen Shot of Bios
This is from Manual
off course I do not have that CPU in my MB
Do you see anywhere I can setup up proper Speed ?

 

[Mir96TA]

PicResloved
I had Set the DRAM Frequeancy to [200MHz (DDR400)] and have turn off Flexbility option
Then I got FSB 200 1:1 Ratio

 

[DrMrLordX]

Ah good, glad you found the proper settings. Now your memory performance should be much-improved.

 

[Mir96TA]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Ah good, glad you found the proper settings. Now your memory performance should be much-improved.

O' Lord it was so noticable difference. I ran PC MARK 2005 It gain 1 thousand Points :shocked:
HoweverI think Natively X75 (P875/P975) are Faster ChipSet then PT880 Ultra.