Intel Vs AMD

[Mir96TA]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Originally posted by: Viditor

Personally I'd rather break free and get an el-cheapo AM2 system than grandfather in DDR and an AGP card, but hey, that's his choice, not mine.

Which MB can take AM2 and my DDR and AGP card?

 

[superHARD]

Originally posted by: Mir96TA

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Originally posted by: Viditor

Personally I'd rather break free and get an el-cheapo AM2 system than grandfather in DDR and an AGP card, but hey, that's his choice, not mine.

Which MB can take AM2 and my DDR and AGP card?

There is not a good mobo that can take AM2 and DDR...
The ASRock 939 mobo's need a cpu adapter, and on this adapter is the AM2 socket, and DDR2 ram slots...you can't use the adapter and still use DDR ram on the mobo...it won't work.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Mir96TA

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Originally posted by: Viditor

Personally I'd rather break free and get an el-cheapo AM2 system than grandfather in DDR and an AGP card, but hey, that's his choice, not mine.

Which MB can take AM2 and my DDR and AGP card?

lol re-read the post, he's saying get an AM2 /INSTEAD\ of trying to get something to run DDR1 and AGP on. Afaik, there aren't any AGP/DDR1 AM2 boards, and because of the DDR2 memory controller on AM2 procs, it's highly unlikely that it's even feasible.

It was another vote that you should dump all of your old junk, and start fresh w/DDR2, PCI-Express, decent mobo, and an overclockable proc. Good luck

 

[superHARD]

Originally posted by: Mir96TA

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: Mir96TA
I am in the market of upgrading my Computer from Intel P4 3.4 EE to what ever is 0ut at best bang for the buck.
In ideally I want to use my old DDR and AGP card if I could ???
I wanted to get inexpensive Route; however I want to get known good MB too.
For Example my Fav was ABit IC7 or P875 Chipset for P4 MB
I have not used AMD since K2 250 Mhz times hee eeeeeee
So I do not know what is out for for AMD for best bang for the memory
I know AMD and Intel they both are cutting their price very aggressively
so I would like to take advanatge of that.
Now I do not have plans to O.C. perhaps little bit
It would be running Straight 24 hrs on Air Cool system
Goal is to have quieter PC if I could.
In past I loved XP120 Heat sinker with SilenX fans

Issues:
1. All Intel and most AMD chips will require you to buy new DDR2 ram. The exception is the socket 939 AMD chips. If you need to use the existing ram I suggest the X2 4800+ ($225 from NewEgg). It will be on par with the lower end Core 2 Duo chips...
2. The AGP is a different problem, and you might consider an on-board solution as many of the newer on-boards are equal to many of the AGP cards.
I would probably suggest the Asus A8N32-SLI as this has excellent on-board graphics and you can add a PCIe card down the track.
A8N32-SLI
Or there is a combo deal with an X2 3800+ for $210 available as well...I should be clear...that's chip + mobo for $210 total.

I have ATi850 with 16 piplines so built in Video card will not able to match the speed.
I also have Low Lat Cas 2.5 memory (1 Gig) I want to use all that.
How is asrock dual-vsta I never heard of them before till now
Are they stand the chance like Abit or Asus or shuttle MB ?

you are right...your video card is plenty fast...way faster than any intergrated video card is.
1 gig of ddr ram is plenty...if it is suiting your needs why upgrade?..you already paid for it once (same applies to your video card)
Asrock is made by Asus...they are high quality boards...dual-vista is a model number of one of their boards...I have 2 of the dual-vista boards...theo OC good, and work as advertised.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Wow, some of the last few posts in this thread have some really messed up quoting.

Originally posted by: Viditor

Personally I'd rather break free and get an el-cheapo AM2 system than grandfather in DDR and an AGP card, but hey, that's his choice, not mine.

That quote was actually mine, not Viditor's.

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX


Which MB can take AM2 and my DDR and AGP card?

That quote was not mine . . . that's Mir96TA's quote.

Btw thanks Viditor, just tryin to help out the OP. If he had a PCIe card I'd definitely steer him away from the dual-vsta.

 

[setras]

i have built lots of systems over the years ranging from cyrix 586/686 toamd k5 right the way through to the Turion and intel from the SX25 right the way through to current inc xeon and itanium

to get back to the point of the thread i have found over the years that AMD can over clock like mad but it seems at times like your teetering on a knife edge between frying your processor or ram or not having enough power to get the results you really want.

Intel on the other tend to err on the side of caution when it comes to over clocking and over spec the build of the core etc (shows in the price difference). such as the p4 3.2 533HT (SL7NB) which although a mobile processor will overclock like mad. it was rated to a case temp of 75C when i popped this in a mates machine which was running a p4 2.8 800fsbHT it sat comfortably at 3.82 with the mobo reporting an idle of 49C despite lowering the bus speed the system actually ran faster and their was a noticable improvement in gaming. Also i find intel that little bit more robust in their chug factor

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Mir96TA
I am in the market of upgrading my Computer from Intel P4 3.4 EE to what ever is 0ut at best bang for the buck.
In ideally I want to use my old DDR and AGP card if I could ???
I wanted to get inexpensive Route; however I want to get known good MB too.
For Example my Fav was ABit IC7 or P875 Chipset for P4 MB
I have not used AMD since K2 250 Mhz times hee eeeeeee
So I do not know what is out for for AMD for best bang for the memory
I know AMD and Intel they both are cutting their price very aggressively
so I would like to take advanatge of that.
Now I do not have plans to O.C. perhaps little bit
It would be running Straight 24 hrs on Air Cool system
Goal is to have quieter PC if I could.
In past I loved XP120 Heat sinker with SilenX fans

i did *exactly* that ... last week

my IC7 MB died and i am selling my "EE" P4 in FS/T

i got the HW in my sig ... the ASRock DualVSTA for $25 open box from NewEgg and e4300 for $116 shipped ... i am keeping my AGP x1950p/512 and could have kept my 1.5GB PC3500 but the XMS corsair is *so cheap* i got 2x1GB

the MB is purely *interim* ... it accepts either [4 or] 8x AGP and 1-4xPCIe and 2 DIMMS of *either* DDR or DDR-2 for dual channel .. however, it only runs PC6400 at PC5300 speeds and will not OC much over 2.8Ghz

so i have a *further* upgrade path ... after i get PCIe HD2900XT or 8800GTX i will then upgrade my MB to take 'full advantage' of my CPU's further OC and the faster RAM speeds

 

[Mir96TA]

Originally posted by: superHARD


you are right...your video card is plenty fast...way faster than any intergrated video card is.
1 gig of ddr ram is plenty...if it is suiting your needs why upgrade?..you already paid for it once (same applies to your video card)
Asrock is made by Asus...they are high quality boards...dual-vista is a model number of one of their boards...I have 2 of the dual-vista boards...theo OC good, and work as advertised.

I wants play C & C 3. I do think (correct me if I am wrong) I have plenty pwr video Part.
I think I am lagging on CPU Power. I think P4 3.4 EE with P875 and 1 Gig ram with Low Cas 2.5 wont cut it to play Max Level ?
I have Dell 400SC; very soild BOX; however it got Thermal FAN; which is wisper Quiet at IDLEl; However at Full load you can hear it.......
I notice Core2 use less power and have very LOW heat compare to what I have.
That is why I want to upgrade.
However it is Hard to say Good bye to Faithfull Dell 400SC
Some time I think I should give a TRY to Radeon X1950GT 256MB ???

 

[Mir96TA]

Originally posted by: setras
i have built lots of systems over the years ranging from cyrix 586/686 toamd k5 right the way through to the Turion and intel from the SX25 right the way through to current inc xeon and itanium

to get back to the point of the thread i have found over the years that AMD can over clock like mad but it seems at times like your teetering on a knife edge between frying your processor or ram or not having enough power to get the results you really want.

Intel on the other tend to err on the side of caution when it comes to over clocking and over spec the build of the core etc (shows in the price difference). such as the p4 3.2 533HT (SL7NB) which although a mobile processor will overclock like mad. it was rated to a case temp of 75C when i popped this in a mates machine which was running a p4 2.8 800fsbHT it sat comfortably at 3.82 with the mobo reporting an idle of 49C despite lowering the bus speed the system actually ran faster and their was a noticable improvement in gaming. Also i find intel that little bit more robust in their chug factor

I hear ya; and I was system buider and Tech from 286 to P4 1.4 time era......
I had fair share over clocking 286 386 and 486 and P45C to PIII 450 and Famouse Cleron 300a ones.
However those days are behind me; Over clocking is for hobbiest.
I need Rock Soild system like I had Dell 400 SC
I do trust Asus Abit and Shuttle I had VERY GOOD Experince.
I am talking about over 10-20 Computers a DAY.

 

[dantonic]

Originally posted by: o1die
Ecs makes pretty good quality boards. They just don't overclock very well. I've had about 8 Ecs boards from Fry's, and they all worked fine. I've had more problems with asus, gigabyte, and msi.

WOW
That must be a fluke. I've never had good experience with ECS, and from what I've learned from the internet ECS makes some of the lowest quality boards available, that is exactly the reason why Frys keeps selling them for free bundled with dual core cpus.

I wouldnt take that chance... actually I took it twice and paid for it in time gas money and heartache.

Do you ever go to fry's and see somewhere close to the Motherboards section a HUGE Pile of ECS motherboards? ROFL everytime i see it I cant help but laugh thinking that those are all pieces of crap that frys keeps trying to get rid off by giving it away with a cpu HAHAHAHA.

I will personally never buy ECS again... EVER!

That said I am not denying that you might have been very lucky 8 times.

 

[dantonic]

OH and btw Mir96TA,

I also think that you should get a new system including new mobo new DDR2 (Which right now is incredibly cheap... the cheapest it has ever been) and New PCIE video card.

for not much more you'll have all the goodies.

 

[corsa]

I say yes to what Arkaign & dantonic have suggested, so get this ..

2007 The Best value Dual-core platform~ 65nm AM2 X2 3600+ @ Xtremesystems

 

[Mir96TA]

Originally posted by: dantonic
OH and btw Mir96TA,

I also think that you should get a new system including new mobo new DDR2 (Which right now is incredibly cheap... the cheapest it has ever been) and New PCIE video card.

for not much more you'll have all the goodies.

I just can't shell out that much MONEY.
That is why I want to use my legacy MEM and Video Card

 

[apoppin]

then you *need* the ASrock DualVSTA ... i don't think you have *any choice* if you want to use your legacy MEM and AGP Video Card

i did *exactly* what you are planning - P4EE > C2D e4300 [1.8 > 2.81Ghz] ... cheap as hell upgrade [and i could have kept my DDR-1 PC3500]

 

[Mir96TA]

Originally posted by: apoppin
then you *need* the ASrock DualVSTA ... i don't think you have *any choice* if you want to use your legacy MEM and AGP Video Card

i did *exactly* what you are planning - P4EE > C2D e4300 [1.8 > 2.81Ghz] ... cheap as hell upgrade [and i could have kept my DDR-1 PC3500]

I think I am going to go with e4400 + asrock dual-vsta
What you all think ?
Perhaps Down the Road I may get something like ABIT AB9 Pro or some thing

 

[apoppin]

e4300 ocs better [with a lower multiplier], i think and is cheaper

but i *certainly* think so

it is a cheap way to really upgrade - with a FURTHER cheap upgrade path available ...
:thumbsup:

 

[Rottie]

Originally posted by: Mir96TA

Originally posted by: Rottie

Originally posted by: Mir96TA
DuDe
ECS is evil
I will never buy ECS ever

I disagree with you ECS treated me very good for 2 years

No matter who says what I will never buy ECS Junk

You can't blame ECS for bad motherboards. Blame to the store where you bought ECS from.

 

[Mir96TA]

Originally posted by: Rottie

Originally posted by: Mir96TA

Originally posted by: Rottie

Originally posted by: Mir96TA
DuDe
ECS is evil
I will never buy ECS ever

I disagree with you ECS treated me very good for 2 years

No matter who says what I will never buy ECS Junk

You can't blame ECS for bad motherboards. Blame to the store where you bought ECS from.

heee
Perhaps you need to know

Originally posted by: Mir96TA
and I was system buider and Tech from 286 to P4 1.4 time era......
I had fair share over clocking 286 386 and 486 and P45C to PIII 450 and Famouse Cleron 300a ones.

 

[funboy6942]

About a week ago I would of come into this thread touting the AMD set up for it is all I have ever used, aside of one PIII 500 my wife is still using today.

But 4 days ago I talked myself into buying a
E4300 for $115 shipped
A Asrock 4coredual-Vsta open box for $38 shipped
And a 1gig stick of Kingston DDR2 667 ram for $19.99 shipped
from Newegg, all thanks to a kick ass garage sale I had that weekend.

At stock the E4300 was slightly faster then my AMD A64 939 4000+ running a X1900GT overclocked @ 600/720, by a few hundred points in 3dmark 2001, 2003, and 2005.

Last night and today I been playing around with the system trying to find a stable FSB that is happy all around and did so far @ 280 FSB up from 200, running the chip at 2.5.

At 280 FSB I went from a overclocked graphics score on a 4000+ stock of 24520, to 30K+

And at a 310FSB stable only in 2001 for some reason, 2003 & 2005 have artifact this high, I got a score of over 33K in 2001.

And I havent even begun to try to overclock my X1900Gt on this board yet

So I say, if you can find a better performing AMD set up for $215, the Asrock 4coredual-vsta is no longer up for open box, just retail at $60, so its $215 for the same set up as I have now, that can take DDR2 and DDR, AGP, and PCI-E, and give you results as high as I have gotten, by all means do so.

I used to be a fan of my money going to AMD for they gave me best bang to buck ratio, not anymore. Intel is going to be getting my money for a little bit now it looks like with results like these

My 4000+ would go no higher then 2.6 from 2.4, and even at that couldnt come close to the performance I am getting with this cpu. Now I havent been able to try a dual core AMD chip yet, so I would like to see someone pop in here with there over clocking results and show me why I should go back to giving my money to AMD right now. I am super impressed with this chip, with the performance factor, to the heat sink that came with it. The HSF doesnt look all generic, and has a very cool attachment clip set up on it. OH and talk about running cool, it never broke 50c at 315fsb and at 280 stays at 45c under a load, and Im using the thermal paste that was attached to the hsf when I got it, should be even colder when I take that off and run some good stuff on there

Anyway, with that kind of perfomance gain, Im off to go see what I can get my card to do, and see what all it will do with real games later

Best sub $200 I have spent so far.

 

[apoppin]

the moral of the above ^^

pick what's best for you
- forget brand loyalty

and i can get 312 FSB ... but not 313 ... no 'fiddling' in BIOS will go higher.

still 1.8G to 2.81Ghz is a healthy OC on a budget bastage of a MB
--best $25 i spent in awhile [for the MB]

 

[Mir96TA]

Bought the Solo Case and ASRock MB, e4400 and Floppy Drive
I have no plan for Over Clocking..... but will check in later
with Results................

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: Mir96TA
Bought the Solo Case and ASRock MB, e4400 and Floppy Drive
I have no plan for Over Clocking..... but will check in later
with Results................

A floppy drive?? WTF is that

And you will oc once you start to see the gains you get. I had no plans on buying another cpu and mobo, was very happy with my 4000+ and thought it was the sh!t for what I had in it. Then I saw the listing in HD section on the E4300 cpu, and remembered reading a little on it before they came out. Stuck it is google and saw the results everyone was getting with a $100 cpu, spanking the hell out of the $300+ ones and making my chip look like a childs toy when it got just a little over clocked. I knew then I had to find the money and buy my first Intel system and see what this buzz is about.

Less then $200 later I have it and it is 10,ooo+ points faster in 3dmark 2001, almost 2k faster in 2003 & 2005, with the same graphics card, not overclocked in this set up, I am hooked. My money falls to intell till AMD busts something out thats just as good on the cheap side. Why they started getting my more and more of my money years ago, making cheap cpus, that overclocked good, and it seemed to end with the 3200+ in the socket a, 754, and 939. You could oc the piss out of them and get your moneys worth, but not lately.

Im ready to ditch the rest of my AMD systems for the Intel E4300 set ups, even if they all ran a not so great overclocking board, its cheap for the time being, and thats me, Mr. Cheap.

If you do oc, do post the results, and remind me. I have a huge memory problem, and on alot of pills, I will most likely read this tomorrow and not remember writing any of it

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Mir96TA
Bought the Solo Case and ASRock MB, e4400 and Floppy Drive
I have no plan for Over Clocking..... but will check in later
with Results................

you mean you are gonna *settle* for a CPU at 2Ghz ?!?!!
:Q


--the C2D doesn't really *shine* until you OC the sucker to over 3Ghz

. . . but a "nice" upgrade

 

[Mir96TA]

Just got home...... Gotta do parties tooo hee eee
Put to gather (MB, Video CPU and Mem)
XP Installation REAL Quick .....
Going through SP2 and 1 Gazzling S. updates
then I will Install Video Card and Web Cam (God Damn Logitech) Disable the Echo off system
then S.C and my 56K USR modem....... hee eee
I know I have Legacy stuff (Modem FLoppy Drive heee eee) :shocked:
Then I may run some Bench Marks hee eee and C & C
I wonder shall I use built in Sound Card (HD Sound Card) or Use my SB Audigy 2 Value one

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: Mir96TA
Just got home...... Gotta do parties tooo hee eee
Put to gather (MB, Video CPU and Mem)
XP Installation REAL Quick .....
Going through SP2 and 1 Gazzling S. updates
then I will Install Video Card and Web Cam (God Damn Logitech) Disable the Echo off system
then S.C and my 56K USR modem....... hee eee
I know I have Legacy stuff (Modem FLoppy Drive heee eee) :shocked:
Then I may run some Bench Marks hee eee and C & C
I wonder shall I use built in Sound Card (HD Sound Card) or Use my SB Audigy 2 Value one

HD sound sounds great if you dont plan on gaming on it much. I am not a huge fan of SB, for I have had the live series, then the Z2, and with both I would get games that wouldnt work, even with the most updated drivers, and then with the Z2 it would lock up and free my pc, that I was using a Asrock Dual Sata II, make a screaching sound in Nascar season 2003, then reboot the pc, and if that was not enough, would randomly turn my pc on and off at times. I was using the HD ALC850 chip up till recently when I got my hands on yet another SB card the X-fimusic in hopes of giving SB one last time because they do have the gaming market covered and I do alot of gaming. Nothing in gaming sounds as good as sb when the cards are working right, and the ALC850 chip just didnt cut it for me in FEAR, and a few other games, but it shined in everything else.

So if your not gaming you will love the built in HD chip, built in dolby digital, and dts decoding, and alot of other goodies, but if you do a fair amount of gaming then you may want to try your old sb card and pray it doent give you any troubles. Or you can just try them both and see what works good for you