Intel WiFi 6 AX200 Card

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abufrejoval

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Got a Lenovo Yoga S730 that included an AC-3165 single channel 433Mbs wifi M.2 card on a Whiskey Lake i7 that includes basically an AC-9260 without the PHY on the SoC, because that's €2 cheaper than a matching CNVi adapter...

So I swapped that out first with various intermediate 7xxx, 8xxx and 9xxx AC variants that I have around and finally got an AX-200 non-vPro variant as soon as it sold in August, which puts it on par with what Ice Lakes would have on their SoC: Given a price difference between a naked PHY CNVi and a proper full WiFi M.2 card of €2 in retail after taxes, I can't stop shaking my head at Intel marketing... the whole card retails at €12 including VAT, the CNVi variant perhaps at €10, once it becomes available (since it only makes sense with an Ice Lake SoC), vPro costs an extra €8 or so: Chickenshit compared to the Ultrabook.

Got zero issues on Windows and Linux, didn't manually install any driver or optional software package (mostly crap-/spyware anyway), most importantly no issues with BIOS whitelisting, which I was a bit scared of.

Excellent performance on both bands, but for lack of an AX capable access point, WiFi--4 AC-1200 is all I have used so far with 60MB/s on big sequential file transfers.

What I really liked about the AX card is that Steam remote play finally works over WiFi through the wall. That isn't as much a bandwidth (it works fine on 100Mbit cabled Ethernet), as a latency issue, which the AC or WiFi-4/5 adapters never managed to get low enough to make Steam happy.

China vs. rest-of-the world: China is simply where most things are manufactured these days so seeing things pop up there first, shouldn't be a surprise. I got mine actually from a retailer in Germany, that somehow manages to get things a little earlier than the EU mainstream, yet typically later than in China or the US.

But I'm not surprised few people will pry open their brand new thousand €/$/£ ultrabook to replace one of the few parts that actually can be replaced. For me it was just the fact that even the most ancient Core-2 based notebook that my wife didn't want to reliquish, had better WiFi (AC-7260), than my totally bad-ass brand-new Ultrabook... and then at that price: Who cares if it doesn't work out?

And most of my experience with buying things in China has been surprisingly positive: I've gotten excellent value and even incredible support, especially when I was courtious and patient. I am sure there are more crooks in China than any other place, but that's mostly because they got much more of everything. Blind trust is as misplaced as flat prejudice, everywhere.
 

DrMrLordX

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Well I'd be happy with my AX200 if it would stop constantly resetting itself when connected on the 5 GHz band (AC, not AX). Nobody seems to want to address the problem.
 

DrMrLordX

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Try to put your AP / router on a fixed channel, not automatic.

I put it on channel 161. No real change. I guess I could try every channel and see if the NIC driver stops detecting hardware errors? I'm not sure why using the wrong channel(s) would make the driver behave that way.

edit: okay, this one's throwing me off: setting channel to 44 seems to work, but only after a short period of connectivity. Now it's working okay? I have to test this in an online game to see if I get stuttering like I did in older driver versions. Throughput still isn't that great - downstream appears to be capped at 186 Mbps (which is still better than my 2.4 GHz performance), so we will see. Also I changed some NIC settings so it has a preference for the 5 GHz band (which I didn't try before).
 
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VirtualLarry

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Maybe channel 157 and up are DFS channels, and your card is dropping the Wifi periodically to scan those channels for "use"?

I know my Asus router, when it selected channel 157 (*"Auto" setting), my Comfast AC+BT Wifi dongle couldn't see the signal at all. I had to manually set the channel on 5Ghz AC on my router to something lower.
 

DrMrLordX

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Maybe channel 157 and up are DFS channels, and your card is dropping the Wifi periodically to scan those channels for "use"?

I know my Asus router, when it selected channel 157 (*"Auto" setting), my Comfast AC+BT Wifi dongle couldn't see the signal at all. I had to manually set the channel on 5Ghz AC on my router to something lower.

I didn't have any problems on channel 157 or 161 with the card in my x370 Taichi though. And I wouldn't think the card's driver would report constant "internal hardware failures" in Event Viewer if it was just a matter of losing the connection. Something really weird is going on here. The good news is that I can get . . . somewhat better speeds on the 5 GHz band now with consistency, but I'm definitely not getting the 340 Mbps I was getting with intermittent failures using older drivers. I'm getting more like 190 Mbps down and 240+ up. Maybe I just need to get an AX router and see what happens. Expensive experiment, though.
 

mxnerd

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I'm not wifi expert. But found this.



complete chart
For speed side, you probably can set your router/AP to use 160MHz channel bandwidth to make the adapter to run faster.
 

DrMrLordX

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The router has bandwidth targets instead of channel bandwidth, and it is currently set to maximum speed on both the 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz bands (which I guess is 160 MHz).
 

Snowclon3

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Hi,

Made and account to post this, because the problem seems to be wide and not resolved anywhere.
This helped for me (setting the channel width for 5GHz to 20 MHz from Auto)

 

DrMrLordX

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@Snowclon3

Glad you mentioned that! I might experiment with that setting later to see if it helps improve the performance of my AX200 in AC mode. Are you using an AC or AX router?
 

mxnerd

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KentState

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Those reviews are rather disappointing.

I have an AX200 card coming for my Dell XPS and hope it's at least better than the Killer card in it now. Not that it has problems the majority of the time, but can be flaky on occasion. The biggest hang up is investing in a mesh router now or waiting. I can add a couple nodes to my current Velop setup, but that's $699 which is a heck of an investment for questionable improvement in Wifi.
 

DrMrLordX

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@KentState

One word of warning: if you are installing that AX200 yourself (read: you bought from a third party and it isn't a Dell-branded or Dell-sourced part) then Intel won't support it if/when you have problems.

Beyond that, I personally do not want to invest in any new router equipment until I see AX mesh kits better than the lousy system Asus rolled out earlier this year. It uses AX for the backhaul but that's it, otherwise it's AC. Stupid.
 
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KentState

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@KentState

One word of warning: if you are installing that AX200 yourself (read: you bought from a third party and it isn't a Dell-branded or Dell-sourced part) then Intel won't support it if/when you have problems.

Beyond that, I personally do not want to invest in any new router equipment until I see AX mesh kits better than the lousy system Asus rolled out earlier this year. It uses AX for the backhaul but that's it, otherwise it's AC. Stupid.

The install went fine and it's able to max out the AC connection while in my living room. Will see if anything goes wrong at work tomorrow, but so far it's working as expected.
 

DrMrLordX

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The install went fine and it's able to max out the AC connection while in my living room. Will see if anything goes wrong at work tomorrow, but so far it's working as expected.

Well that's good. I may just have a defective unit. Which driver version are you running, and which channel are you using?
 

KentState

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Well that's good. I may just have a defective unit. Which driver version are you running, and which channel are you using?

Currently at work it's showing channel 36 using 5Ghz. I installed the 21.50.1 drivers from Intel after replacing the module.
 

DrMrLordX

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Oh, so you're using a low channel too. I had to use channel 44. Channel 157 which is the default for my router (that has worked well enough with my past AC NICs) gave me bizarre internal hardware errors on my AX200. Hmm!

Also you have a newer driver than I do, which is interesting. I may have to try out that one. The latest driver I could get directly from Intel earlier was 21.30.x.x or something. I got 21.40.x.x series drivers from MS through the fast ring (latest from them is 21.40.1.4). Neither one of those driver sets helped stabilize the AX200 on higher channels.
 

mxnerd

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Probably the product is just not stable/mature enough, software or hardware wise.
 
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KentState

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Oh, so you're using a low channel too. I had to use channel 44. Channel 157 which is the default for my router (that has worked well enough with my past AC NICs) gave me bizarre internal hardware errors on my AX200. Hmm!

Also you have a newer driver than I do, which is interesting. I may have to try out that one. The latest driver I could get directly from Intel earlier was 21.30.x.x or something. I got 21.40.x.x series drivers from MS through the fast ring (latest from them is 21.40.1.4). Neither one of those driver sets helped stabilize the AX200 on higher channels.

At home it looks like I'm on channel 48. So far after a week, I've had a better experience over the Killer AC adapter that came with the laptop. I'm going to pick up the Velop AX mesh units today and see how that works.
 

KentState

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So far so good with the new nodes. They dwarf the previous AC Velops in size. With just two units, I get the same, if not better coverage as the previous three. In transfer tests, they provide close to 800mbps if I'm close or around 600mbps when at the farthest point in the house. I've only tested with my laptop and iPhone 11 Pro Max. Those are the only WiFi devices I have right now, but will probably put the AX200 card in my wife's laptop as well.

 
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Solo450

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Hi,

I've just got one of these cheap Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX200 modules sent from China and I am wondering about the following.
The card was advertised with Bluetooth 5.0 capability and it does indeed have Bluetooth 5.0. I've checked the LMP version and it is 9.256.
But now I am seeing that Intel specifies the Bluetooth Version of the AX200 module as 5.1, in which case the LMP version should be 10.something. (see the following two links)

Does anyone here have an AX200 module with LMP version 10.x ?
 

Solo450

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Ok, I've just updated to the latest BT driver version 21.70.0 from Intel's website and now my AX200 card is shown as having LMP version 10.256, which means Bluetooth 5.1 .
 
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