Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 same as i7 4770 for $60 less...

[JumBie]

Is this a joke? LOL...why the frig aren't we all just getting the Xeon instead of the 4770. Its a locked server CPU that benches exactly the same as the i7 4770, and its the exact same price as the i5 4670k. Only difference is no Integrated GPU.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/prozessoren/2013/intel-xeon-e3-1230-v3-im-test/5/

Currently $259.99 @Newegg.ca
i7 4770 $319.99 @Newegg.ca

Upon further investigation:

With no IGPU you lose out on QuickSync, and Wireless Display. There might be some other things you lose out on as well. So for people who care about these things (video encoding and syncing media with HDTVs) this is not the CPU for you.

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[Soulkeeper]

tbh I feel the same way, If I was building right now i'd go for that xeon

 

[SPBHM]

real world advantage for the 4770 will be around 200MHz,

 

[Ieat]

Can't the i7 4770 oc so that all cores run at 3.9? Can Xeons do that? Otherwise its stuck at 3.5 right?

 

[JumBie]

Can't the i7 4770 oc so that all cores run at 3.9? Can Xeons do that? Otherwise its stuck at 3.5 right?

I know you can do it with the 4770 dont see why you wouldnt be able to do it with the Xeon.

 

[Soulkeeper]

Can't the i7 4770 oc so that all cores run at 3.9? Can Xeons do that? Otherwise its stuck at 3.5 right?

If it's the non-K version then, just like the xeon, you will be limited to bclk increases.
It is a bit of a tradeoff when comparing to the K versions as you get a few extra features that intel disables with the K versions.

 

[escrow4]

Because that iGPU comes in handy if your GPU dies as a backup, plus I'm using it now in another 4770 box. Loaded up all 4 cores is 3.7GHz. Given that, I wouldn't go for a Xeon.

 

[zir_blazer]

The closest match for the Core i7 4770 (310 U$D) is the Xeon E3-1245V3 (290 U$D). It has the GPU, is 100 MHz slower, but its cheaper and got some extra features (ECC Memory support most important one, the other than the GPU is from the "P" series and supposedly has Drivers optimized for professional applications a la Quadro or FirePro).

I did a list not much after Haswell was released. The reason why Xeons are unpopular are because most enthusiasts gets the K series Processors for the Unlocked Multiplier, so the Xeon is not appealing for them. And the rest simply don't care or don't even know that some Xeons could be used as standard Core i5/i7 replacements with better price/performance or specs.

 

[JumBie]

The closest match for the Core i7 4770 (310 U$D) is the Xeon E3-1245V3 (290 U$D). It has the GPU, is 100 MHz slower, but its cheaper and got some extra features (ECC Memory support most important one, the other than the GPU is from the "P" series and supposedly has Drivers optimized for professional applications a la Quadro or FirePro).

I did a list not much after Haswell was released. The reason why Xeons are unpopular are because most enthusiasts gets the K series Processors for the Unlocked Multiplier, so the Xeon is not appealing for them. And the rest simply don't care or don't even know that some Xeons could be used as standard Core i5/i7 replacements with better price/performance or specs.

Whats the difference between the HD4600 and the P4600 on the xeons?

 

[zir_blazer]

Whats the difference between the HD4600 and the P4600 on the xeons?

Its stated on the quote. I never saw any real benchmark or anything to prove that there is an actual difference, just that Intel says that they have certifications for those (Page 3).

 

[JumBie]

Its stated on the quote. I never saw any real benchmark or anything to prove that there is an actual difference, just that Intel says that they have certifications for those (Page 3).

It says the P4600 is optimized for applications, and has a clock rate of 1300 instead of 1200 on the HD4600.

 

[zir_blazer]

1300 MHz only on the Xeon E3-1285V3 (And actually, Intel call its P4700 for that model). On 1245V3 its 1.2 GHz, same as Core i7 4770.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Is this a joke? LOL...why the frig aren't we all just getting the Xeon instead of the 4770. Its a locked server CPU that benches exactly the same as the i7 4770, and its the exact same price as the i5 4670k. Only difference is no Integrated GPU.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/prozessoren/2013/intel-xeon-e3-1230-v3-im-test/5/

Currently $259.99 @Newegg.ca
i7 4770 $319.99 @Newegg.ca

Upon further investigation:

With no IGPU you lose out on QuickSync, and Wireless Display. There might be some other things you lose out on as well. So for people who care about these things (video encoding and syncing media with HDTVs) this is not the CPU for you.

First of the 4770 is replaced by the 4771.

The 1275v3 is the same as the 4771.

http://ark.intel.com/products/75464/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-1275-v3-8M-Cache-3_50-GHz

Remember to compare the correct frequency.

 

[Nothingness]

I know you can do it with the 4770 dont see why you wouldnt be able to do it with the Xeon.

Never forget Intel segmentation, never :biggrin:

 

[lehtv]

why the frig aren't we all just getting the Xeon instead of the 4770. Its a locked server CPU that benches exactly the same as the i7 4770, and its the exact same price as the i5 4670k. Only difference is no Integrated GPU.

Okay so currently Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3-3.7GHz goes for $250 on newegg. Who should buy it?

User #1: doesn't need hyperthreading, doesn't overclock ->
i5-4570 3.2-3.6GHz: $200 ($190 AP). Obvious choice (there is no 3.3GHz i5 SKU to compare with)

User #2: doesn't need hyperthreading, wants to overclock ->
i5-4670K 3.4-3.8GHz $240. With OC using a $30 cooler you get a +20% advantage in quad threaded apps? Sign me up.

User #3: benefits from hyperthreading, doesn't overclock ->
Only buy Xeon if you have no need for the iGPU. The locked i5-4570 is still a good choice if the main use of the PC doesn't revolve around heavily multithreaded programs.

User #4: benefits from hyperthreading, wants to overclock ->
i5-4670K or i7-4770K depending on budget and how important HT is for uses other than gaming

Another thing to note is that the K-SKUs typically have decent motherboard combos running on newegg, while Xeons don't.

So really, Xeons are good if all of the following apply:
(1) you can afford it over 4570
(2) you don't want to OC
(3) you can benefit from HT
(4) you don't need the iGPU
(5) you don't have any i7 combos available that compete with the cost of the Xeon

It's a pretty niche group all in all.

 

[schmuckley]

Never forget Intel segmentation, never :biggrin:

This^ Once upon a time, All CPUs were unlocked and had full features.
Segmentation is teh suck.

 

[ShintaiDK]

This^ Once upon a time, All CPUs were unlocked and had full features.
Segmentation is teh suck.

Once upon a time it was the norm to see counterfeit CPUs and endusers cheated.

Segmentation actually gives you the option for cheaper CPUs, that otherwise would have to cost more.

 

[Nothingness]

Segmentation actually gives you the option for cheaper CPUs, that otherwise would have to cost more.

Or is it: Segmentation actually gives you the option for more expensive CPUs, that otherwise would have to cost less?

How can anyone explain that 4770K has no TSX? I mean the most expensive desktop chip lacks some of the new features that came with Haswell. This is the perfect example of dumb segmentation.

 

[Rakehellion]

Don't you nee to use ECC memory with Xeons? I prefer Xeons myself, but in most cases you can't just swap chips as you need a special motherboard.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Or is it: Segmentation actually gives you the option for more expensive CPUs, that otherwise would have to cost less?

How can anyone explain that 4770K has no TSX? I mean the most expensive desktop chip lacks some of the new features that came with Haswell. This is the perfect example of dumb segmentation.

We could also just have 1 model at one price for everyone to buy? Why should people wanting less pay more so you can get off cheaper?

Or its due to validation when overclocked. People would scream murder if TSX for some reason didnt work with their OC. Even worse if it could be exploited.

 

[someEEguy]

Can't the i7 4770 oc so that all cores run at 3.9? Can Xeons do that? Otherwise its stuck at 3.5 right?

Regarding the 4770 non-k, yes you can run all cores at the max turbo boost frequency of 3.9 Ghz without changing the bclk, the catch is it only works on particular motherboards/bios.

On my Z87E-ITX for instance only beta bios version 2.10g will allow you to run all four cores of the 4770 at 3.9 Ghz, all other bios version that I’ve tried force you to adhere to Intel’s turbo boost table; meaning only a max of two cores can be run at 3.9 ghz.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Don't you nee to use ECC memory with Xeons? I prefer Xeons myself, but in most cases you can't just swap chips as you need a special motherboard.

Xeons work with regular memory too.

 

[Rakehellion]

Xeons work with regular memory too.

But not all boards support Xeons.

 

[JumBie]

But not all boards support Xeons.

This is what confuses me, its LGA1150, but apparently it has trouble with some boards. I naturally assumed it would work perfectly fine in all 1150 mobos whether it be a Z or B.

 

[ShintaiDK]

This is what confuses me, its LGA1150, but apparently it has trouble with some boards. I naturally assumed it would work perfectly fine in all 1150 mobos whether it be a Z or B.

It needs proper BIOS support. Xeons are targetted server boards. So its easier for most mobo makers simply to skip it on consumer boards. Its not due to any other limitation.

Look in the CPU supported list for Xeons to be sure.