Intellectual Property issue on facebook last night

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Texashiker

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WTF

"it means that you are allowing everyone, including people off of Facebook, to access and use that information"

that does it. right there. it allows people to take it and post it without asking.

There is a difference between use, and redistribute.

http://www.facebook.com/legal/copyright.php

https://www.facebook.com/help/?page=157024904418383

How do I know whether my copyright is being infringed by content that someone shared on Facebook?
Facebook’s Statement of Rights and Responsibilities prohibits users from posting copyrighted content to Facebook unless they own the copyright or are authorized to post the copyrighted content. If a Facebook user has shared your original work of authorship without your permission, you may want to seek legal advice as to whether your rights have been infringed.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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What I do not understand, from the time I started school I was taught you can not copy other peoples work. Copyright protection should be basic grammar school stuff. But yet, people take images and use them with no regard given to the owner of the material.

Whatever happened to asking permission before you take someones property?

"Take someones property"... how can you be talking about some generic family photos here? They were publicly posted to the internet for crying out loud, what value could they possibly have that you now feel the need to copyright against?

Bit late for that.

You... actually thought you'd 'own' them and make money off them?
 
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waggy

No Lifer
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You can ask the courts to figure that one out then.

heh good luck eh. the courts will jump all over a friend re-posting the picture. Now they might care if a company took it to use though.
 

Dumac

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Wait, I'm so confused.

Why are you upset?

You took a pic, posted it on facebook, and somebody else copied the pic and reposted it?

Why are you upset again?

EDIT: Oh, did the girl who copied the picture meanly edit them? Like put a mustache on your baby, repost, and tag it as Hitler?
 
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Texashiker

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You can ask the courts to figure that one out then.

Isn't that why napster was shutdown? Because people were redistributing material that did not belong to them?



You... actually thought you'd 'own' them and make money off them?

Its not a matter of money, its a matter of ownership.

When you park your car at the local grocery store, is it ok for someone to steal your tires?

What makes your tires or your car any different then Intellectual Property? If its ok to take Intellectual Property, then its ok to take someones car?
 

Ns1

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Isn't that why napster was shutdown? Because people were redistributing material that did not belong to them?

The language is in the TOS and is clearly vague. If you want resolution you need to go to the courts.

I am of the opinion that based on the TOS, if your friend posted shit on FB with the Public setting then it's fair game.

What makes your tires or your car any different then Intellectual Property? If its ok to take Intellectual Property, then its ok to take someones car?

Does the car come with a TOS saying that if you Share your car using the Public setting, anyone can use it?
 

waggy

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Isn't that why napster was shutdown? Because people were redistributing material that did not belong to them?





Its not a matter of money, its a matter of ownership.

When you park your car at the local grocery store, is it ok for someone to steal your tires?

lol o napster didn't have the owners of the IP posting it to napster. On facebook you are doing it and WAVING rights.

i know its complicated.

The store does not have a TOS that says someone can.


The language is in the TOS and is clearly vague. If you want resolution you need to go to the courts.

I am of the opinion that based on the TOS, if your friend posted shit on FB with the Public setting then it's fair game.

?

Anyone that post anything on Facebook and expects it to stay private is a fucking idiot.
 
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SMOGZINN

Lifer
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When you park your car at the local grocery store, is it ok for someone to steal your tires?

What makes your tires or your car any different then Intellectual Property? If its ok to take Intellectual Property, then its ok to take someones car?

When someone takes your tires you no longer have tires. When they take your data you still have your data.
 

SagaLore

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Dec 18, 2001
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Once you upload pictures to a site you don't own, you are granting that site permission to own the picture.

The better question is, what is FB's policy on other FB members copying pictures from FB and re-using them?
 

Perknose

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Yes, but not one relevant to your assertion. Legally (and grammatically and logically), the term "use" is widely inclusive.

"Redistribute" is a wholly contained subset of "use." When you allow "use" you, ipso facto allow "redistribution."

To legally bar the redistribution, the clause would have to explicitly state, "allow use except for redistribution." It does not.
 

Texashiker

Lifer
Dec 18, 2010
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On facebook you are doing it and WAVING rights.

i know its complicated.

Exactly where does it say someone waves their rights?


Yes, but not one relevant to your assertion. Legally (and grammatically and logically), the term "use" is widely inclusive.

"Redistribute" is a wholly contained subset of "use." When you allow "use" you, ipso facto allow "redistribution."

To legally bar the redistribution, the clause would have to explicitly state, "allow use except for redistribution." It does not.

When lady gaga post a pic of facebook, you can take that pic and do anything you want with it? Yea, right, good luck with that.
 

sixone

Lifer
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http://www.facebook.com/legal/terms

When you publish content or information using the Public setting, it means that you are allowing everyone, including people off of Facebook, to access and use that information, and to associate it with you (i.e., your name and profile picture).

Facebook's TOS doesn't override federal copyright law. The photographer owns the photo until and unless he/she gives others permission to use/distribute it.

While the TOS gives FB certain rights to the photo, it does not confer those rights to any other individual, regardless of whether the content is public or private.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
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Exactly where does it say someone waves their rights?

Once again for the umpteenth time,

When you publish content or information using the Public setting, it means that you are allowing everyone, including people off of Facebook, to access and use that information, and to associate it with you (i.e., your name and profile picture).

Since use that information is not defined, if you got a problem take it up with the courts.
 

her209

No Lifer
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http://www.facebook.com/legal/terms



Facebook's TOS doesn't override federal copyright law. The photographer owns the photo until and unless he/she gives others permission to use/distribute it.

While the TOS gives FB certain rights to the photo, it does not confer those rights to any other individual, regardless of whether the content is public or private.

By agreeing to Facebook's terms, you're giving permission to use/distribute it.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
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http://www.facebook.com/legal/terms



Facebook's TOS doesn't override federal copyright law. The photographer owns the photo until and unless he/she gives others permission to use/distribute it.

While the TOS gives FB certain rights to the photo, it does not confer those rights to any other individual, regardless of whether the content is public or private.

Actually, it does, but contract law. The contract with FB is that they can extend their use right to anyone on or off Facebook. They have chosen to extend that right to everyone, which is the terms the OP agreed to when he created a FB account.
 

Perknose

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When lady gaga post a pic of facebook, you can take that pic and do anything you want with it? Yea, right, good luck with that.

You can redistribute it all you want, which is what you're trying to bleat about here.
 

Dumac

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Dec 31, 2005
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Exactly where does it say someone waves their rights?




When lady gaga post a pic of facebook, you can take that pic and do anything you want with it? Yea, right, good luck with that.

If lady gaga posted a pic on facebook, yes I could right click->save image->repost and nobody would give a damn.

It is in the public domain. It's not like anyone is selling the picture. Do you want more hits on your facebook page or something?
 

Dumac

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I bet Texas just created a really sweet meme image that he thinks is totally funny, but somebody saved and reposted it and now he isn't getting his street cred

How tragic
 

Glitchny

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When lady gaga post a pic of facebook, you can take that pic and do anything you want with it? Yea, right, good luck with that.

Uhh? You must be new to the internet cause that shit happens all the time. Celebs post pictures, pictures get downloaded and altered and reuploaded, pretty much how memes work.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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Giving permission to FACEBOOK to use and distribute it. That doesn't give permission to anyone else.

Yeah it does, it was pretty self-explanatory.

By posting something to a sharing service you are agreeing to share the data. As long as you own the data to start with and can give permission for it to be shared then its all good. After you have shared it you have little (if any) control over what happens to it.
 
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