Intelligent Design/Evolution War:4-20-06 Georgia Governor signs Laws putting Bible Class in all schools and Commandments

dmcowen674

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The U.S. is in a tug of War. On one hand there is a check and balance going on between Religion being taught over Science but Womens rights are being stripped infavor of two cells.

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This is huge.

It looks like America is slowly starting to wake up from the spell of being under the Religious Right.

The Religious have no one else to blame but themselves.


12-20-2005 Judge Rules Against "intelligent design" in Pa. Biology Curriculum

HARRISBURG, Pa. - "Intelligent design" cannot be mentioned in biology classes in a Pennsylvania public school district, a federal judge said Tuesday, ruling in one of the biggest courtroom clashes on evolution since the 1925 Scopes trial.

Dover Area School Board members violated the Constitution when they ordered that its biology curriculum must include the notion that life on Earth was produced by an unidentified intelligent cause, U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III said. Several members repeatedly lied to cover their motives even while professing religious beliefs, he said.

The school board policy, adopted in October 2004, was believed to have been the first of its kind in the nation.

"The citizens of the Dover area were poorly served by the members of the Board who voted for the ID Policy," Jones wrote.

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No surprise here. The rabid religious right on here clearly demonstrate that.

12-21-2005 Court ruling won't stop christians from imposing their views: experts


PHILADELPHIA - Supporters of the concept of "intelligent design" will find new ways to advance their cause to have it taught in U.S. schools despite a major setback this week, experts on both sides of the debate said on Wednesday.

The decision was a blow to Christian conservatives who have pressed for the teaching of creationism in schools but opponents and supporters of the concept said it could also energize and spread the campaign to put it on the curriculum.

"They will be back," Rev. C. Welton Gaddy, president of the Interfaith Alliance, told a conference-call discussion hosted by the alliance and the American Institute of Biological Sciences,

"There are people in this nation who want to use public institutions and government resources to impose on the population their particular views of religion."


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Teaching in a Theocracy continued...

11-22-2005 New Kansas University Course "Special Topics in Religion: Intelligent Design, Creationism and other Religious Mythologies."

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Kansas Officially rejects Evolution and now only teaches "Intelligent Design".

11-8-2005 Kansas state Board of Education approved science standards for public schools Tuesday that cast doubt on the theory of evolution.

TOPEKA, Kansas - Revisiting a topic that exposed Kansas to nationwide ridicule six years ago, the state Board of Education approved science standards for public schools Tuesday that cast doubt on the theory of evolution.

The board's 6-4 vote, expected for months, was a victory for intelligent design advocates who helped draft the standards.

Intelligent design holds that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power.
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I'm sure Cathy Cox, the Georgia School Director is jumping for joy.

She is the one that said "I will not have any of that Monkey to Man stuff taught in my schools".


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The real truth and the money behind the Republican and Religious push for Intelligent Design comes out:

10-30-2005 Evolution of intelligent design

A decade ago most Americans had never heard of intelligent design, or ID. But, in the last year, the term has surfaced repeatedly in politics, media and education as the rallying point for religious conservatives in the culture war over the teaching of Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.

The prime engine propelling the dissemination of ID is the Discovery Institute, a Seattle think tank whose $4 million budget is heavily funded by conservative Christian donors.

Discovery's Center for Science & Culture, which used to be the Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture, laid out its goals in a 1999 fundraising document called "The Wedge Strategy."

Determined to drive a "wedge" into the tree trunk of "scientific materialism," it said, "Design theory promises to reverse the stifling dominance of the materialistic worldview, and to replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions."

The Center for Science & Culture's five-year plan, much of which already has been achieved, called for funding research fellows at major universities, publishing numerous articles and books on ID, generating significant media coverage and getting 10 states to include ID in science curricula.

Pennsylvania is the first state to see ID included in a school district's curriculum, but Ohio and Minnesota and at least one district in New Mexico include critical analysis of evolution in their science standards. Kansas is expected to do so this fall. More than 24 state and local authorities have considered similar changes to their science curricula over the last year
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The brainwashing exposed for all to see.

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I wonder if the Republican controlled Government will move to shut Harvard down now???

8-15-2005 Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. - Harvard University is joining the long-running debate over the theory of evolution by launching a research project to study how life began.

"My expectation is that we will be able to reduce this to a very simple series of logical events that could have taken place with no divine intervention," said David R. Liu, a professor of chemistry and chemical biology at Harvard.

Evolution is a fundamental scientific theory that species evolved over millions of years. It has been standard in most public school science texts for decades but recently re-emerged in the spotlight as communities and some states debated whether school children should also be taught about creationism or intelligent design.

The theory of intelligent design says life on earth is too complex to have developed through evolution, implying that a higher power must have had a hand in creation.


8-8-2005 Arkansas Museum Creationism Museum opens.

Says Earth is only 10,000 yrs old and Dinosaurs lived with Adam & Eve.

5-22-2005 $25 Million Dollar Creation Museum Open In Kentucky

Ken Ham has spent 11 years working on a museum that poses the big question ? when and how did life begin?

The $25 million monument to creationism offers Ham's view that God created the world in six, 24-hour days on a planet just 6,000 years old. The largest museum of its kind in the world, it hopes to draw 600,000 people from the Midwest and beyond in its first year.

Ham said the museum is a way of reaching more people along with the Answers in Genesis Web site, which claims to get 10 million page views per month and his "Answers ... with Ken Ham" radio show, carried by more than 725 stations worldwide.

"People will get saved here," Ham said of the museum.

Among Ham's beliefs are that the Earth is about 6,000 years old, a figure arrived at by tracing the biblical genealogies, and not 4.5 billion years, as mainstream scientists say;

the Grand Canyon was formed not by erosion over millions of years, but by floodwaters in a matter of days or weeks and that dinosaurs and man once coexisted, and dozens of the creatures ? including Tyrannosaurus Rex ? were passengers on the ark built by Noah, who was a real man, not a myth.

"When that museum is finished, it's going to be Cincinnati's No. 1 tourist attraction," says the Rev. Jerry Falwell, nationally known Baptist evangelist and chancellor of Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va. "It's going to be a mini-Disney World."

Even detractors concede that Ham has appeal.

Ian Plimer, chair of geology at the University of Melbourne, became aware of Ham in the late 1980s, when Ham's creationist ministry in Australia was just a few years old.

"He is promoting the religion and science of 350 years ago," says Plimer. "He's a far better communicator than most mainstream scientists."

"The bottom line is, he is anti-gay." Ham says homosexual behavior is a sin.

Ham said he has no choice but to speak out about what he believes.

"The Lord gave me a fire in my bones," Ham says. "The Lord has put this burden in my heart: 'You've got to get this information out.'"


Kansas becomes latest State to Ban Evolution from being taught in schools

5-5-2005 Debate Over Evolution Becomes War of Words

TOPEKA, Kan. - Eighty years after the first famed "Monkey Trial," a second one of sorts opened Thursday, but this time with evolution in the dock.

A State Board of Education subcommittee began four days of trial-like hearings that give evolution's critics, many of them advocates of intelligent design, a public forum to attack the theory attributed to 19th Century British scientist Charles Darwin.

Evolution says species change over time and that such changes can lead to new species, giving different ones, such as man and apes, common ancestors.

Intelligent design says some features of the natural world, because of their well-ordered complexities, are best explained by an intelligent cause.



1-13-2005 Federal Judge Orders Evolution Stickers Ordered Removed From Georgia Schoolbooks

ATLANTA - A federal judge Thursday ordered a suburban Atlanta school system to remove stickers in its high school biology textbooks that call evolution "a theory, not a fact," saying the disclaimers were an unconstitutional endorsement of religion.

"By denigrating evolution, the school board appears to be endorsing the well-known prevailing alternative theory, creationism or variations thereof, even though the sticker does not specifically reference any alternative theories," U.S. District Judge Clarence Cooper said.

The stickers were put in the books by school officials in Cobb County in 2002. They read:

"This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered."

"This is a great day for Cobb County students," said Michael Manely, an attorney for the parents who sued over the stickers. "They're going to be permitted to learn science unadulterated by religious dogma."

Doug Goodwin, a spokesman for Cobb County schools, had no immediate comment.

The schools added the stickers after more than 2,000 parents complained the textbooks presented evolution as fact, without mentioning rival ideas about the beginnings of life.

The case is one of several battles waged in recent years in the Bible Belt over what role evolution should play in science books.

Last year, Georgia's education chief proposed a science curriculum that dropped the word "evolution" in favor of "changes over time
 

Infohawk

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These zealots are so misinformed that they don't even understand the implications of the term "theory."

Here's an example of someone who doesn't get it either:

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Hey, genius, evolution isn't science. That's why its called a theory.
 

1EZduzit

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Evolution IS only theroy. What is religion, wild guesses? I don't know of a single person who has met God in person. I always fail to see why both camps can't find a middle ground. Can't evolution and creationism both be right?
 

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Evolution IS only theroy. What is religion, wild guesses? I don't know of a single person who has met God in person. I always fail to see why both camps can't find a middle ground. Can't evolution and creationism both be right?

Not if you go by a strict interp of the bible.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Evolution IS only theroy. What is religion, wild guesses? I don't know of a single person who has met God in person. I always fail to see why both camps can't find a middle ground. Can't evolution and creationism both be right?

Not if you take creationism literally.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
You'd would have to be a little dense to do that IMO.

That's basically who we're talking about here... the people that think the world was created in seven days or something near that.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
You'd would have to be a little dense to do that IMO.

That's basically who we're talking about here... the people that think the world was created in seven days or something near that.

I look around at the miracle of life and know that there is an intelligence behind it. I can also look at archeology and see the fossil remains and see how natural selection and evolution work.

What came first, the chicken or the egg. If you can't answer that question then you can't completley subscribe to either point of view. At least not from my point of view.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Evolution IS only theroy. What is religion, wild guesses? I don't know of a single person who has met God in person. I always fail to see why both camps can't find a middle ground. Can't evolution and creationism both be right?
Nope. Evolution is based on evidence found by using the scientific method.

Creationism is pure bunk as it's based on nothing but faith and the word of the Bible (which distorts the meaning and the words of the Bible)
 

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Evolution IS only theroy. What is religion, wild guesses? I don't know of a single person who has met God in person. I always fail to see why both camps can't find a middle ground. Can't evolution and creationism both be right?

Religion is faith. Is a belief that starts from the inside of a mind. No proof needed (faith covers this). No experiments to prove it either, (faith would be worthless if this was to be done). Religion doesnt need facts, only needy people willing to embrace it. Otherwise they will consume themselves trying to figure out where do everyone goes after they die, and what the hell is eternity.

A theory, like stated above, is not just a theory. It means other things as well.

Imagine it this way... using evolution as an example: We have traces of what appears to be a constant change in life forms. With that evidence, we can conclude, that modern animals come from theses traces, as they are similar, yet the old, old ones are not around anymore. But evolution is not just this. It talks about adaptability, and a whole bunch of other things. It covers large area of topics. We only like to talk about prehistoric-to-modern biology only. It is not related to the other BIG theory, the big bang. Is like taking a 1000 piece puzzle, and without looking at the box, trying to put the picture together. You can get an idea of what is by looking at the little pieces.

I think Evolution will NEVER be proved. Simply, none of us was there.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Evolution IS only theroy. What is religion, wild guesses? I don't know of a single person who has met God in person. I always fail to see why both camps can't find a middle ground. Can't evolution and creationism both be right?

This is satire, right?

Fallacy of the middle ground -- the assumption that a mid-way position between two extremes is likely to be correct.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Evolution IS only theroy. What is religion, wild guesses? I don't know of a single person who has met God in person. I always fail to see why both camps can't find a middle ground. Can't evolution and creationism both be right?

This is satire, right?

Fallacy of the middle ground -- the assumption that a mid-way position between two extremes is likely to be correct.

I ruv you (and I'm not even gay)
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: crooked22
I think Evolution will NEVER be proved. Simply, none of us was there.

Evolution has been observed. Fruit flies or something reproduce really quickly and we observe them changing over time and we can make them evolve. Even if we take a couple centuries longer view, we've seen moths that have changed colors over generations to respond to pollution.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Evolution IS only theroy. What is religion, wild guesses? I don't know of a single person who has met God in person. I always fail to see why both camps can't find a middle ground. Can't evolution and creationism both be right?

This is satire, right?

Fallacy of the middle ground -- the assumption that a mid-way position between two extremes is likely to be correct.

I ruv you (and I'm not even gay)

 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
1-13-2005 Federal Judge Orders Evolution Stickers Ordered Removed From Georgia Schoolbooks

ATLANTA - A federal judge Thursday ordered a suburban Atlanta school system to remove stickers in its high school biology textbooks that call evolution "a theory, not a fact," saying the disclaimers were an unconstitutional endorsement of religion.

"By denigrating evolution, the school board appears to be endorsing the well-known prevailing alternative theory, creationism or variations thereof, even though the sticker does not specifically reference any alternative theories," U.S. District Judge Clarence Cooper said.

The stickers were put in the books by school officials in Cobb County in 2002. They read:

"This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered."

"This is a great day for Cobb County students," said Michael Manely, an attorney for the parents who sued over the stickers. "They're going to be permitted to learn science unadulterated by religious dogma."

Doug Goodwin, a spokesman for Cobb County schools, had no immediate comment.

The schools added the stickers after more than 2,000 parents complained the textbooks presented evolution as fact, without mentioning rival ideas about the beginnings of life.

The case is one of several battles waged in recent years in the Bible Belt over what role evolution should play in science books.

Last year, Georgia's education chief proposed a science curriculum that dropped the word "evolution" in favor of "changes over time

There is a God.
 

piasabird

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There was a theory that stated that native americans were inferior due to the small size of their cranium. Shortly after many native american gravesites were robbed of their occupants, and many historical sites belonging to American Natives were destroyed. In fact many remains of native americans were sent to the smithonian institute for further study. They called themselves scientists at the time!

Just another theory that was debunked.

There is no way to prove that evolution is a valid theory. Species go extinct all the time. That does not mean their remains indicates that they evolved somehow.
 

Infohawk

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I would be curious to see if zealots had their way over a county or a state in every possible way. What would it look like? Over time I'd think it would look something like Afghanistan in the Taliban era.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: piasabird
There was a theory that stated that native americans were inferior due to the small size of their cranium. Shortly after many native american gravesites were robbed of their occupants, and many historical sites belonging to American Natives were destroyed. In fact many remains of native americans were sent to the smithonian institute for further study. They called themselves scientists at the time!

Wow SOME scientists made a mistake in the past... I'd better stop listening to all of them altogether. :roll:
 

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Evolution IS only theroy. What is religion, wild guesses? I don't know of a single person who has met God in person. I always fail to see why both camps can't find a middle ground. Can't evolution and creationism both be right?
the'o-ry n.

1. A formulation of apparent relationships or underlying principles of certain observed phenomena which has been verified to some extent.

2. A well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena.

It takes only one contradiction to disprove a theory. Got one that refutes evolution?

The only "intelligence" in a speculative Trojan horse like in "Intelligent Design" is the directed, intentional effort by its proponents to cloud the definition of the word, theory with the more colloquial, less precise usage. The concepts presented by "creationism," "creation science" or "intelligent design" are contradicted by the physical evidence of the history of this planet and the observed universe. They fail out of the gate as a scientific hypothesis or proposition.
 

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: crooked22
I think Evolution will NEVER be proved. Simply, none of us was there.

Evolution has been observed. Fruit flies or something reproduce really quickly and we observe them changing over time and we can make them evolve. Even if we take a couple centuries longer view, we've seen moths that have changed colors over generations to respond to pollution.


Its called adaptation. Not quite the same, but an observable part of this fantastic theory that brings theo-lovers and atheists together like no other
It is possible, however, that over longer periods of time, theses adaptation are not sufficient to cope with
changes, and the being in question could evolve, readapt, or simply become extinct.
 
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Just yesterday evolutionary theory had to be reformulated because of some fossil remains. Facts don't need to be readjusted continually.

Evolution is a theory. Creationism is a theory. Simply stating this in no way endorses one or the other. The judge, in this case, is being just another liberal activist judge.

Oh ya, I got a haircut a month ago and already my hair has evolved and now I need another cut!!!
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Just yesterday evolutionary theory had to be reformulated because of some fossil remains. Facts don't need to be readjusted continually.

Evolution is a theory. Creationism is a theory. Simply stating this in no way endorses one or the other. The judge, in this case, is being just another liberal activist judge.

Oh ya, I got a haircut a month ago and already my hair has evolved and now I need another cut!!!

You continue to outdo yourself. The evolutionary theory DID NOT have to be reformulated because of yesterday's findings but it was funny to see you barge into that thread and act like it had and that you had been proven right. :laugh:
 
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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Just yesterday evolutionary theory had to be reformulated because of some fossil remains. Facts don't need to be readjusted continually.

Evolution is a theory. Creationism is a theory. Simply stating this in no way endorses one or the other. The judge, in this case, is being just another liberal activist judge.

Oh ya, I got a haircut a month ago and already my hair has evolved and now I need another cut!!!

You continue to outdo yourself. The evolutionary theory DID NOT have to be reformulated because of yesterday's findings but it was funny to see you barge into that thread and act like it had and that you had been proven right. :laugh:

So you admit it's a theory. What was wrong with the stickers then?
 

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Just yesterday evolutionary theory had to be reformulated because of some fossil remains. Facts don't need to be readjusted continually.

Evolution is a theory. Creationism is a theory. Simply stating this in no way endorses one or the other. The judge, in this case, is being just another liberal activist judge.

Oh ya, I got a haircut a month ago and already my hair has evolved and now I need another cut!!!

1. you don't understand what a theory (in scientific terms) is
2. you don't understand what evolution encompases as you just demonstrated by trying to say that those fossil remains required that some part of evolution theory needed to be "reformulated"

 

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Just yesterday evolutionary theory had to be reformulated because of some fossil remains. Facts don't need to be readjusted continually.

Evolution is a theory. Creationism is a theory. Simply stating this in no way endorses one or the other. The judge, in this case, is being just another liberal activist judge.

Oh ya, I got a haircut a month ago and already my hair has evolved and now I need another cut!!!

You continue to outdo yourself. The evolutionary theory DID NOT have to be reformulated because of yesterday's findings but it was funny to see you barge into that thread and act like it had and that you had been proven right. :laugh:

So you admit it's a theory. What was wrong with the stickers then?

The stickers ascert that evolution is possibly incorrect when it is about as close to being correct as we can prove anythign to be in the natural world.

The stickers imply that evolution has something to do with the "origin of living things" which is misleading again because evolution is not the entire story. It simply explains one part of it.
 
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