Intelligent Design/Evolution War:4-20-06 Georgia Governor signs Laws putting Bible Class in all schools and Commandments

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: zendari
Kansas is showing how out of touch the liberals are with mainstream society.

Oh, goody. Let's take a poll of Kansas parents and ask them to explain various scientific concepts. For example, we'll ask them to explain:

Newtons laws of motion.

Photosynthesis.

The human immune system.

Conservation of energy.

We'll take the "majority view" on what these things are and that's what we'll teach in the classroom. After all, why should teachers be allowed to teach what the majority doesn't believe?

Expect crickets chirping to your post Shira.

 

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by: zendari
Kansas is showing how out of touch the liberals are with mainstream society.

No, what it shows is how out of touch the relgious right is with reality.

All I can say is the rest of the developing world who is trying to compete against us in the job market thanks the people supporting this, after all, countries don't usually go out of their way to ruin their future economic prospects but America is going that extra mile to ensure that nobody with a scientific clue is ever allowed to grow here.

 

[JEDI]

CNN

"DOVER, Pennsylvania (AP) -- Voters came down hard Tuesday on school board members who backed a statement on intelligent design being read in biology class, ousting eight Republicans and replacing them with Democrats who want the concept stripped from the science curriculum."

Score one for science!

 

[EatSpam]

Pennsylvania shows how out of touch the Radical Religious Right is with mainstream society.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

The radical religious right is dead wrong on everything from gay marriages, to stem cell research, to ID. They just don't have a clue.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: zendari
Kansas is showing how out of touch the liberals are with mainstream society.

Every university in the nation should immediately inform the state of Kansas that their science cirriculum is no longer accredited, and their students will no longer be accepted for enrollment without taking additional qualifed science courses.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: zendari
Kansas is showing how out of touch the liberals are with mainstream society.

Every university in the nation should immediately inform the state of Kansas that their science cirriculum is no longer accredited, and their students will no longer be accepted for enrollment without taking additional qualifed science courses.

I agree. This goes for any State that tows the Religious line.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: zendari
Kansas is showing how out of touch the liberals are with mainstream society.

Every university in the nation should immediately inform the state of Kansas that their science cirriculum is no longer accredited, and their students will no longer be accepted for enrollment without taking additional qualifed science courses.

So now you want to boss around private universities?

 

[Abraxas]

So making a suggestion on policy is now bossing around?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: zendari
Kansas is showing how out of touch the liberals are with mainstream society.

Every university in the nation should immediately inform the state of Kansas that their science cirriculum is no longer accredited, and their students will no longer be accepted for enrollment without taking additional qualifed science courses.

Maybe evolution doesn't work in Kansas.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Every university in the nation should immediately inform the state of Kansas that their science cirriculum is no longer accredited, and their students will no longer be accepted for enrollment without taking additional qualifed science courses.

This is already exactly what is happening. Link.

The real losers in all of this are the kids in Kansas who want to go to college. Public & the vast majority of private universities will look less favorably upon students coming from Kansas knowing that they have simply received a (far) below average science education.

Don't forget there are far more Harvards & Notre Dames than Liberties.

Here in Indiana, where conservative fundamentalists have been pushing for pro-ID legislation, the public universities and biotech industry (a major employer in Indiana, especially of middle class & professional jobs) are already starting to throw their weight against teaching anti-scientific ideas.

Those of you who continue to support ID should not underestimate the importance of good science education. ID is not science, and it is recognized as anti-scientific by every single major professional science organization as well as industries that rely upon trained scientists. Your children will be denied opportunities because of your beliefs.

This has already happened in California, where fundamentalists are suing the UC university system for discrimination against students who go to schools which are anti-evolution. They are suing on the grounds of religious discrimination. If this is not sufficient to show that ID is religious, and merely creationism recast with a pseudoscientific mask, I'm not sure what is. However, as conservative as our Supreme Court gets, teaching religion in a science course is a blatant violation of the establishment clause of the First Amendment - overturning previous rulings against the teaching of creationism will necessitate overturning the First Amendment.

If overturning the First Amendment is what you seek in order to have your personal religious beliefs taught in public school science classrooms, you should move to Iran, or some other theocracy.

 

[rickn]

in the name of jesus, I heal your bad attitude!

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: zendari
Kansas is showing how out of touch the liberals are with mainstream society.

Every university in the nation should immediately inform the state of Kansas that their science cirriculum is no longer accredited, and their students will no longer be accepted for enrollment without taking additional qualifed science courses.

Maybe evolution doesn't work in Kansas.

In Zendari's case, I'll be happy to say a prayer for him to cure his cancer. think it'll work?

 

[dmcowen674]

11-15-2005 NY museum says Darwin's theory never more relevant

NEW YORK - Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is nearly 150 years old and under fresh attack, but thanks to him scientists today understand the danger bird flu poses to humans, curators of a new Darwin exhibit say.

"Without his insights, we would fail to appreciate the dangerous potentials of rapid evolution in the avian flu virus," Michael Novacek, curator of paleontology at the museum, told a news conference on Tuesday.

The deadly H5N1 avian influenza first infected birds, has mutated, and is known to have killed 64 people in Asia. Health experts say it is crucial to control the virus' spread in birds to prevent more people from becoming infected.

Darwin's theory, published in "The Origin of the Species" in 1859, says that all life evolves according to natural selection and is constantly changing.

"As we seek new cures for disease and means to avert bioterrorism, Darwin's work remains vitally important," said Ellen Futter, the museum's president.

Intelligent design has been proposed as an alternative to evolution. The theory holds that some aspects of nature are so complex they must be the work of an unnamed creator.

 

[dmcowen674]

Teaching in a Theocracy continued...

11-22-2005 New Kansas University Course "Special Topics in Religion: Intelligent Design, Creationism and other Religious Mythologies."

"The KU faculty has had enough," said Paul Mirecki, department chairman.

"Creationism is mythology," Mirecki said. "Intelligent design is mythology. It's not science. They try to make it sound like science. It clearly is not."

Earlier this month, the state Board of Education adopted new science teaching standards that treat evolution as a flawed theory, defying the view of science groups.

Critics say intelligent design is merely creationism ? a literal reading of the Bible's story of creation as the handiwork of God ? camouflaged in scientific language as a way to get around court rulings that creationism injects religion into public schools.

John Calvert, an attorney and managing director of the Intelligent Design Network in Johnson County, said Mirecki will go down in history as a laughingstock.

"To equate intelligent design to mythology is really an absurdity, and it's just another example of labeling anybody who proposes (intelligent design) to be simply a religious nut," Calvert said. "That's the reason for this little charade."

 

[Mustanggt]

Research the Bible to prove it False, Many Men have set out to do this and have been converted. There are vast verifiable facts to prove the bible 100% accurate. To believe in Evolution is the blind Faith.

 

[jimkyser]

Originally posted by: Mustanggt
Research the Bible to prove it False, Many Men have set out to do this and have been converted. There are vast verifiable facts to prove the bible 100% accurate. To believe in Evolution is the blind Faith.

Would you agree that if the bible contradicts itself, it would be something less then 100% accurate? If so, please tell me what the women who went to see Jesus did after the angel told them he had risen. Did they flee home and tell no-one as in Mark 16:8 or did they immediately tell the disciples as in Luke 24:9? They can't have done both, so which is it?

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Mustanggt
Research the Bible to prove it False, Many Men have set out to do this and have been converted. There are vast verifiable facts to prove the bible 100% accurate. To believe in Evolution is the blind Faith.

Faith is blind.

 

[Lemon law]

Want to say two things

1. The school board in Dover, PA that pushed intelligent design was voted out partly because that City and county
then got to pay a huge amount of money to defend a lawsuit. Image this 20 plus thread was posted by a lawyer at $200/hr and you get to understand a fraction of the expense--would you want to finance that as a taxpayer in one small city?

2. Intelligent design is simply the latest attempt by Christian fundmenatalists to get their version of creation back into the classroom. Its lipstick on a pig and nothing else.

a. The theory of evoluition is a theory that explains most facts and has yet to be contradicted. To say there are not places and evidence it does not perfectly pedict is scientifically valid.--- but does not rise to proof the theory is wrong. In fact a weakness at the time the theory was first published by Darwin, was a total lack of a mechanism that accomplished the task--that came with Mendel, the math of genetics, and later the discovery of DNA.

B. The bible is not only pure faith, its internally self contradictory and is not based on eveidence based tests like science.---if you want to teach it home fine-----if you want to teach it in schools with my tax money--forget it.

C. IF you want to see how fast the intelligent design idea can disappear---------simply give equal billing for all different religious theories on creation-----with the codasil the Christian creation version never even appears in the first half of the text book-------and all different religionious theories get equal weight on the test.-----Or---. Just call the class comparative religion and be done with it.

This whole crap about if I can't absolutely prove my arguement, it means your super silly intelligence insulting version has got to be then correct is stupid.---and for that matter, much is now lost on what the bible actually said is now lost--- its been translated and restranslated so mant time by now, who knows what the original text said--but clearly Pat Robertson is clueless of any concept of a higher being capable of love and understanding.

And anyway, Who created God?

 

[Strk]

So how many times has Kansas had this passed and overturned?

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: jimkyser

Originally posted by: Mustanggt
Research the Bible to prove it False, Many Men have set out to do this and have been converted. There are vast verifiable facts to prove the bible 100% accurate. To believe in Evolution is the blind Faith.

Would you agree that if the bible contradicts itself, it would be something less then 100% accurate? If so, please tell me what the women who went to see Jesus did after the angel told them he had risen. Did they flee home and tell no-one as in Mark 16:8 or did they immediately tell the disciples as in Luke 24:9? They can't have done both, so which is it?

Of course they could have done both.

Since the Bible is true, anything the Bible says happened must have happened. And since the Bible says both that the women did and did not tell someone, they obviously did both. It's a miracle! (And if you don't understand, that's just because we mere mortals cannot possibly understand divine bullsh. . . , er, complexity.)

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Tab

Faith is blind.

Bolded for truth

 

[jimkyser]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: jimkyser

Originally posted by: Mustanggt
Research the Bible to prove it False, Many Men have set out to do this and have been converted. There are vast verifiable facts to prove the bible 100% accurate. To believe in Evolution is the blind Faith.

Would you agree that if the bible contradicts itself, it would be something less then 100% accurate? If so, please tell me what the women who went to see Jesus did after the angel told them he had risen. Did they flee home and tell no-one as in Mark 16:8 or did they immediately tell the disciples as in Luke 24:9? They can't have done both, so which is it?

Of course they could have done both.

Since the Bible is true, anything the Bible says happened must have happened. And since the Bible says both that the women did and did not tell someone, they obviously did both. It's a miracle! (And if you don't understand, that's just because we mere mortals cannot possibly understand divine bullsh. . . , er, complexity.)

Thanks for the laugh shira, but I was really hoping mister "There are vast verifiable facts to prove the bible 100% accurate" would come back and answer. If he can.

Doesn't that statement of his sound really similar to the Bush Admin's 'credible and verifiable" claims about WMDs, Saddam's intent to use them on the invading US troops, the mobile weapons labs, etc, etc? I wonder if he'll cop the same excuse about bad intel.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Mustanggt
Research the Bible to prove it False, Many Men have set out to do this and have been converted. There are vast verifiable facts to prove the bible 100% accurate. To believe in Evolution is the blind Faith.

The only thing I have faith in is that I'll be maggot food when I'm dead. Just like you.

 

[dmcowen674]

This post is not for Religious Non-Science believing Republicans as they believe the Earth is only 10,000 years old and do not beleive in Science or Evolution.

12-1-2005 Scientists Find That Early Birds Had Dinosaur Feet

An especially well-preserved specimen of Archaeopteryx shows the first known bird had feet like a dinosaur -- made not for perching but for running on the ground, scientists said on Thursday.

The first toe on the fossil turns inward, similar to a human thumb and most like the hunting dinosaurs known as deinonychosaurs -- notably the Velociraptor with its long claw for disemboweling prey.

The 150 million-year-old fossil, found in Germany's Bavaria region, suggests the magpie-sized creature could hyperextend its second toe in a dinosaur-like way, the researchers report in Friday's issue of the journal Science.