Intelligent Design/Evolution War:4-20-06 Georgia Governor signs Laws putting Bible Class in all schools and Commandments

[MrToilet]

It's interesting to see to what length that fundamentalist Christians will go to get the idea of "Creationism" into the public conscious. I mean, seriously, "Intelligent Design" is just another name for creationism, it's pretty obvious...

What's interesting is that EVERY SINGLE REPUTABLE SCIENTIST *KNOWS* that evolution happens, and has happened. The only debate going on now is the rate and types of change that are happening. That's the only debate, not whether evolution happened or not.

 

[dannybin1742]

anyone catch the ccn presents thing last sunday evening that was evolution vs religion?

cnn did a horrible job of challenging the id guys on the claims they made, especially with the 'flagellum argument'- an agrument which is retarded..... here was the basis, oh look at the bacterial flagellum, its so complex, there is no way this could have evolved, it must be god.... and thats the argument.... pretty pathetic, and its not science

 

[M00T]

Here's some nice reading for the people who say there's no real proof of evolution. They aren't papers about the existance of evolution, they are observations of evolution in action.

May not be suitable for bible thumpers.

These are all peer reviewed papers.

1 Text (viruses)
2 Text (ASPM gene)
3 Text (metabolic networks)
4 Text (animal sex chromo)
5 Text (transcriptome evo)
6 Text (gene expression)
7 Text (viruses)
8 Text (human m-satellites)
9 Text (+ selection)
10 My favorite (digi evo!!!)

 

[dannybin1742]

nice, i see there are other people on this board who read peer reviewed papers

 

[M00T]

Originally posted by: dannybin1742
nice, i see there are other people on this board who read peer reviewed papers

It's part of my research for a paper on the controversy of Intelligent design.

However, It takes a certain brain capacity(of which I don't have) to understand most scientific journals. ACS.org also requires membership to read papers... which is a pet-peeve for me.

 

[Whaspe]

Originally posted by: M00T

Originally posted by: dannybin1742
nice, i see there are other people on this board who read peer reviewed papers

It's part of my research for a paper on the controversy of Intelligent design.

However, It takes a certain brain capacity(of which I don't have) to understand most scientific journals. ACS.org also requires membership to read papers... which is a pet-peeve for me.

Maybe you'll want to share your observations when finished? If you look at any of the top scientific journals you'll notice all of their latest issues deal with the subject... might help with that report.

 

[dannybin1742]

moot


go to a university, most that have decent chemdepartments have online subscriptions to acs and they can be accesed right in the library and printed off

 

[dmcowen674]

This is huge.

It looks like America is slowly starting to wake up from the spell of being under the Religious Right.

The Religious have no one else to blame but themselves.


12-20-2005 Judge Rules Against "intelligent design" in Pa. Biology Curriculum

HARRISBURG, Pa. - "Intelligent design" cannot be mentioned in biology classes in a Pennsylvania public school district, a federal judge said Tuesday, ruling in one of the biggest courtroom clashes on evolution since the 1925 Scopes trial.

Dover Area School Board members violated the Constitution when they ordered that its biology curriculum must include the notion that life on Earth was produced by an unidentified intelligent cause, U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III said. Several members repeatedly lied to cover their motives even while professing religious beliefs, he said.

The school board policy, adopted in October 2004, was believed to have been the first of its kind in the nation.

"The citizens of the Dover area were poorly served by the members of the Board who voted for the ID Policy," Jones wrote.

 

[halik]

hey do you mind letting this thread die? There's another one about the ID ruling and quite honestly a thread this big is really hard to follow

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: halik
hey do you mind letting this thread die? There's another one about the ID ruling and quite honestly a thread this big is really hard to follow

Actually I do mind. The thread going back to the beginning of this year showing the agenda of the Religious Right and how they were winning their quest to Theocratize America's schools.

Now people are fighting back and beginning to knock the Religious down. :thumbsup:

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: halik
hey do you mind letting this thread die? There's another one about the ID ruling and quite honestly a thread this big is really hard to follow

Actually I do mind. The thread going back to the beginning of this year showing the agenda of the Religious Right and how they were winning their quest to Theocratize America's schools.

Now people are fighting back and beginning to knock the Religious down. :thumbsup:

Meh,
we have the search for that. It's nearly impossible to follow any discussion in this thread just because theres so many topics and so many pages. Just chime in in the other ones, man...

 

[judasmachine]

stupid me, reading all these posts on ID. now they've gone and taught that crap to me. anyway, keep in sunday school, that's what it's for.

 

[marvdmartian]

It looks like America is slowly starting to wake up from the spell of being under the Religious Right.

The only problem I have with your posting would possibly be this statement. Waking up from the spell?? Are the religious right practising witchcraft now???

Maybe the simplest way to take care of this problem would be to form a religion based on Darwin's theory of evolution. Then the religious right can cause the supreme court to ban that from public schools, and we can finally teach kids that no one KNOWS for sure where folks came from, ask your parents!! :roll:

 

[dmcowen674]

No surprise here. The rabid religious right on here clearly demonstrate that.

12-21-2005 Court ruling won't stop christians from imposing their views: experts


PHILADELPHIA - Supporters of the concept of "intelligent design" will find new ways to advance their cause to have it taught in U.S. schools despite a major setback this week, experts on both sides of the debate said on Wednesday.

The decision was a blow to Christian conservatives who have pressed for the teaching of creationism in schools but opponents and supporters of the concept said it could also energize and spread the campaign to put it on the curriculum.

"They will be back," Rev. C. Welton Gaddy, president of the Interfaith Alliance, told a conference-call discussion hosted by the alliance and the American Institute of Biological Sciences,

"There are people in this nation who want to use public institutions and government resources to impose on the population their particular views of religion."

 

[dmcowen674]

States give rights to two cells.

2-11-2006 Indiana Says Life Starts at Conception

INDIANAPOLIS - Indiana women seeking an abortion would be told life begins at conception under a proposal that would give the state one of the furthest-reaching abortion consent laws in the country.

Only one state ? South Dakota ? has gone so far in what it orders doctors to tell women before they can get abortions

Only South Dakota has beginning-of-life language similar to Indiana's proposal, which would require women seeking an abortion to be informed in writing that "human life begins when a human ovum is fertilized by a human sperm."

 

[Meuge]

Well, South Dacota just voted to ban abortion altogether, so the previous post is a moot point.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
States give rights to two cells.

2-11-2006 Indiana Says Life Starts at Conception

INDIANAPOLIS - Indiana women seeking an abortion would be told life begins at conception under a proposal that would give the state one of the furthest-reaching abortion consent laws in the country.

I wouldn't have too much of a problem with this, except, I'm sure the same folks that push this crap also push to make birth control hard to get and promote Christian-based abstinence only education and have no interest in promoting adoption.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
States give rights to two cells.

2-11-2006 Indiana Says Life Starts at Conception

INDIANAPOLIS - Indiana women seeking an abortion would be told life begins at conception under a proposal that would give the state one of the furthest-reaching abortion consent laws in the country.

Only one state ? South Dakota ? has gone so far in what it orders doctors to tell women before they can get abortions

Only South Dakota has beginning-of-life language similar to Indiana's proposal, which would require women seeking an abortion to be informed in writing that "human life begins when a human ovum is fertilized by a human sperm."

Why my state?

 

[slash196]

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
States give rights to two cells.

2-11-2006 Indiana Says Life Starts at Conception

INDIANAPOLIS - Indiana women seeking an abortion would be told life begins at conception under a proposal that would give the state one of the furthest-reaching abortion consent laws in the country.

Only one state ? South Dakota ? has gone so far in what it orders doctors to tell women before they can get abortions

Only South Dakota has beginning-of-life language similar to Indiana's proposal, which would require women seeking an abortion to be informed in writing that "human life begins when a human ovum is fertilized by a human sperm."

Why my state?

Two words: Mitch Daniels. I'd like to wipe that smirk off his face with a (Kentucky-made) Louisville Slugger.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Why my state?

Two words: Mitch Daniels.

State can't even get our freaking time zone thing figured out. Bad enough we have to change time zones between either side of the state, but to have to change our clocks as we go through one county, change it back for the next, and change it back again as we drive through the next county after that?! :roll:

I liked Frank better.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: zendari
Lets teach them that Homosexuality is great!

It would be more useful to teach them that religious zealots through history have demonized those that disagree with their religious ideology, torturing and killing those they cannot force to conform. And as a comparison, we can also teach that homosexuals throughout history have demonized no one, have tortured and killed no one, have forced no one to conform.

From your utterly predictable hate responses, I'm beginning to suspect that you are the product of severe child abuse. What was done to you that has lead you to despise with such vitriol homosexuals?

Maybe his father was similar to the father played by Chris Cooper in the movie American Beauty.

 

[themusgrat]

This is the dumbest OP I have ever seen. In fact, I won't read all of it. Anyone who thinks that one "think tank" is behind ID is very misinformed. ID, the principle, has been around before the THEORY of evolution was even made up. As for what I believe, because of scientific research, I agree that evolution is possible, to a point. We will evolve, but never become chickens, nor chickens us. But because of the overwhelming lack of hard evidence, I know that I did not evolve from a monkey, or lizard, or big bang. My theory on the big bang is that: there was an explosion of stuff that no one knows the origin of, that resulted in seemingly infinite and very ordered solar systems, of which 1 in a trillionbajillion decided to have llife, and therefore, a fish appeared from no life, violating several universal laws, the fish decided that swimming was boring, shed its fins and grew arms and legs, went to the north pole, decided to grow a natural parka of hair, then moved back to the equator, decided that parkas are kind of hot, was told by a chiropractor that he should straighten his back, and called himself human.

So if evolution was true, why didn't life adapt itself to any of the other planets? Is it because it can't adapt to anything else?

 

[abj13]

Originally posted by: themusgrat

So if evolution was true, why didn't life adapt itself to any of the other planets? Is it because it can't adapt to anything else?

Number of planets with similar conditions as the Earth man has sufficiently explored:............... 0
Number of planets other than Earth, man has sufficiently explored:............... 0
Number of planets in other galaxies man has sufficiently explored:............... 0
Number of solar systems man has sufficiently explored:............... 0
Number of solar systems in other galaxies man has sufficiently explored:............... 0

Please, don't argue from ignorance. Its dumb logic, and shows how woefully bad your argument is.

 

[dmcowen674]

I'm sure all the resident Religious Republicans will disagree with the Researchers.

3-8-2006 Human quadrupeds discovered in Turkey

The discovery of a Turkish family that walks on all fours could aid research into the evolution of humans.

Researchers believe the five brothers and sisters, who can walk naturally only on all fours, may provide new information on how humans evolved from four-legged hominids to walk upright.

Nicholas Humphrey, evolutionary psychologist at the London School of Economics, told The Times the discovery opened "an extraordinary window on our past".

The BBC said the documentary would contribute to fierce scientific debate and raised profound questions about what it is to be human.

Humphrey, who has contributed to the documentary, believes the style of walking may be a throwback to a form of behaviour abandoned by humans more than three million years ago.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: themusgrat
This is the dumbest OP I have ever seen. In fact, I won't read all of it. Anyone who thinks that one "think tank" is behind ID is very misinformed. ID, the principle, has been around before the THEORY of evolution was even made up. As for what I believe, because of scientific research, I agree that evolution is possible, to a point. We will evolve, but never become chickens, nor chickens us. But because of the overwhelming lack of hard evidence, I know that I did not evolve from a monkey, or lizard, or big bang. My theory on the big bang is that: there was an explosion of stuff that no one knows the origin of, that resulted in seemingly infinite and very ordered solar systems, of which 1 in a trillionbajillion decided to have llife, and therefore, a fish appeared from no life, violating several universal laws, the fish decided that swimming was boring, shed its fins and grew arms and legs, went to the north pole, decided to grow a natural parka of hair, then moved back to the equator, decided that parkas are kind of hot, was told by a chiropractor that he should straighten his back, and called himself human.

So if evolution was true, why didn't life adapt itself to any of the other planets? Is it because it can't adapt to anything else?

Then why not just call it creationism instead of trying to remarket it as ID? You yourself admit it has been around longer than Darwin's theory of evolution, but insist on calling it Intelligent Design. Just another marketing ploy to gain more mainstream acceptance.