Intelligent Design/Evolution War:4-20-06 Georgia Governor signs Laws putting Bible Class in all schools and Commandments

[Starbuck1975]

Alternatively you do and you admit American communities can do whatever nefarious or idiotic things they want.

I specified that such behavior is limited and dictated by those laws which extend over the whole of our society.

Basically you accept an outcome where white supremacy could be taught in American schools.

It is a conceivable option within the protective boundaries of free speech, but not probably and certainly of no value to society.

Killing isn't an acceptable mandate? What do you call capital punishment and war?

If you read my post again I mentioned that there are no universal laws that dictate what a society should accept, and that different societies are willing to accept different things based on their traditions and values.

Capital punishment is an excellent example...legal in some states, but not in others...proponents claim that capital punishment serves as a deterrent to voilent crime and provides closure and justice...opponents point out that it constitutes punishing killing with killing, and that there are no safeguards in the event that an innocent person is executed...both arguments are valid, and individuals must decide what best serves society and is consistent with its values...it is no surprise that our values as a society differ from state to state.

As for war, it is one of those constants of human civilization that simply does not make much sense...those left to fight the wars have no control over or vested interest in the act of killing another human being...and there are numerous accounts of soldiers on the battlefield extending a kind gesture of humanity towards their enemies.

The fragile balance of individual and society often falls victim to the whims of the powerful or the shifting mood of mob rule...but what is the altnerative...burn it all down and go back to living in caves...by choosing to live in society we accept a certain social contract, one that is inherently flawed.

 

[Vic]

It's not the idiots of this world that bother me... it's their agendas.

 

[dgevert]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

We'll put these stickers on our science textbooks when you put "God's existence is a theory, not a fact" on your bibles.

The Bible is not required reading in classrooms, but science textbooks are...perhaps a better analogy would be to educate children with the Bible and the science textbook, and let them make their own decisions about what they believe in.

The Bible has no place in secular public education. You want children to be educated on the Bible? Teach them yourself.

Just make sure they don't read too much of it; after all, the Bible has made more people atheists than any of the best atheist philosophers could ever hope to do.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Should we put stickers on Math textbooks saying "Parallel lines not intersecting is only an axiom. It is not t theorem, and and hasn't been proven

If that is the truth of the matter, then sure...although people rarely get as excited over mathematics as they do over matter of faith.

Well at least you established your as ignorant of math as biology.

 

[Gaard]

I'm laughing but I'm not sure what's funnier. The things that HOP said, or the fact that he's too embarrassed by the things that he said to come back to this thread. :laugh:

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Gaard
I'm laughing but I'm not sure what's funnier. The things that HOP said, or the fact that he's too embarrassed by the things that he said to come back to this thread. :laugh:

The guy is a freaking sig machine. (See sig).

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Vic
It's not the idiots of this world that bother me... it's their agendas.

Amen

 

[Taejin]

Finally! Some things are going right..

 

[Starbuck1975]

The Bible has no place in secular public education. You want children to be educated on the Bible? Teach them yourself.

I absolutely agree...I lost faith in religion the moment I witnessed the death and violence resulting from two cultures fighting over their particular flavor of God, specifically the Balkans.

I do not understand the religious right, but I also recognize the importance of protecting the rights of those who allow faith to dictate their worldview...for those of us who have abandoned religion, it is difficult to understand how anyone can place such belief in the Bible when historal truth, science and even common sense expose the contradictions of religion...religion is a man made entity, although I believe it is possible to have faith in a higher being without becoming a brainwashed servant of a particular religious ideology.

I also recognize that different communities and regions of our country have a different set of beliefs and values...just as many of us, and our parents, did not perceive evolution as an assault on our faith, there exist people of faith, living in fairly homogenous communities in terms of their belief, who honestly think that if evolution should be taught in schools, so should the Bible...this was not a problem when our nation was founded and most people were of Judeo-Christian belief, but our society is now so diverse in its religious spectrum, including atheists, deists and the like, that attempting to infuse Judeo-Christian teachings into the educational landscape is no longer fair or practical.

Well at least you established your as ignorant of math as biology.

Please educate me on the extent of my ignorance, as your contributions to this discussion were most enlightening.

 

[oslama]

Man created god as an explaination of how the natural world worked. This theory is result of our primal fears and insecurities about our surroundings.

Man evolved and as was able to think rationaly and observe the natural world. This theory is science.

 

[wiin]

Parent sues district on Darwin-only rule

"Currently, only the scientific strengths of evolution are taught in biology classes, with no discussion of the scientific weaknesses or criticism of evolution," said Caldwell, a practicing lawyer in Sacramento.

Apparently, the school board disagreed with him and so he sued. I hope he wins.

 

[His Lord Uberdude]

For pete's sake, IT IS JUST A THEORY!

 

[dgevert]

Originally posted by: wiin
Parent sues district on Darwin-only rule

"Currently, only the scientific strengths of evolution are taught in biology classes, with no discussion of the scientific weaknesses or criticism of evolution," said Caldwell, a practicing lawyer in Sacramento.

Apparently, the school board disagreed with him and so he sued. I hope he wins.

What are those scientific weaknesses? Where are the scientific criticisms?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: His Lord Uberdude
For pete's sake, IT IS JUST A THEORY!

So is gravity, now jump off a building.

 

[dgevert]

Originally posted by: His Lord Uberdude
For pete's sake, IT IS JUST A THEORY!

Could you go learn what a theory is in scientific terms and come back to us?

 

[His Lord Uberdude]

"A theory is a hypothesis that has been confirmed by a significant amount of data and studies. It is not, however, a scientific law."

 

[dgevert]

Originally posted by: His Lord Uberdude
"A theory is a hypothesis that has been confirmed by a significant amount of data and studies. It is not, however, a scientific law."

Right, which is why calling it 'just' a theory is a bastardization of scientific terminology.

Evolution is both fact and theory. It's fact that species have evolved from common ancestors. The theory of evolution is the explanation of said fact.

 

[judasmachine]

they can put a sticker on the bible that says, this was written by ppl a long time ago and pieced together by other ppl, so we have no idea of the validity of this book once so ever.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: His Lord Uberdude
"A theory is a hypothesis that has been confirmed by a significant amount of data and studies. It is not, however, a scientific law."

So is gravity. Do you understand there is no difference between the theory of gravity and the theory of evolution? Now go jump of the bridge to test the theory.

 

[His Lord Uberdude]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: His Lord Uberdude
"A theory is a hypothesis that has been confirmed by a significant amount of data and studies. It is not, however, a scientific law."

So is gravity. Do you understand there is no difference between the theory of gravity and the theory of evolution? Now go jump of the bridge to test the theory.

We know gravity exixts, but not how it works. We don't know evolution happened, but we know how it would work. Any questions?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: His Lord Uberdude
We don't know evolution happened, but we know how it would work.

Enhhhh. We've observed evolution. Some insects have very short reproduction cycles.

 

[dgevert]

Originally posted by: His Lord Uberdude

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: His Lord Uberdude
"A theory is a hypothesis that has been confirmed by a significant amount of data and studies. It is not, however, a scientific law."

So is gravity. Do you understand there is no difference between the theory of gravity and the theory of evolution? Now go jump of the bridge to test the theory.

We know gravity exixts, but not how it works. We don't know evolution happened, but we know how it would work. Any questions?

We do know that evolution happened, and we've known for the last hundred years.

 

[His Lord Uberdude]

Originally posted by: dgevert

Originally posted by: His Lord Uberdude

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: His Lord Uberdude
"A theory is a hypothesis that has been confirmed by a significant amount of data and studies. It is not, however, a scientific law."

So is gravity. Do you understand there is no difference between the theory of gravity and the theory of evolution? Now go jump of the bridge to test the theory.

We know gravity exixts, but not how it works. We don't know evolution happened, but we know how it would work. Any questions?

We do know that evolution happened, and we've known for the last hundred years.

Some people...................

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: His Lord Uberdude
Some people...................

Translation = uberdude doesn't have a response

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: His Lord Uberdude
Some people...................

Translation = uberdude doesn't have a response

Because you and dgevert have argued this subject exactly the same way Rush Limbaugh argues his. People walk away from him without a response sometimes, and he seems always fool enough to think that makes him the winner. Are you also fool enough to think you've won simply because another person found you pointless to argue with?
And before you get all pissy about the word "fool", try to see that you and dgevert are arguing (ferociously) that you know exactly how life came about, and that your position is fact. You are saying that you know the answer to the oldest question of mankind, to the point where you will attack anyone who thinks the answer might be different. And that certainly makes you a fool in my book, just as I think of the literal creationists who act as zealous as you and dgevert do. Enjoy.