Intelligent Design vs Evolution

[So]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: MrK6

You're an idiot because you call me an idiot. Otherwise you wouldn't need to say that. Something about that must make you feel better about yourself. Funny how all the evolutionists here like to throw insults and then call me a troll. lol

Why don't you call them on that? Oh yea, cause it makes you all feel better about yourselves to call people on the Internet names.

Darwin didn't even believe in his own evidence, which you'd know if you studied him, but you didn't.

You'd also know the scientific community has said, Darwan was wrong on many things, but you probably didn't know this either.

Some in this thread claim evolution is a fact and nobody should disagree. Clearly that isn't true, because others claim it is a theory. If it was a fact, you should have so much evidence that beyond a reasonable doubt you could convince someone. No such evidence exists today. Much of evolution is based on speculation with the hopes that someday we might find evidence to support it.

Some say evolution happened rapidly through mutations, others claim slowly. Confusion? I'd say so.

Is is scientific fact that birds evolved from dinosaurs? And would you say you base your conviction of evolution on this fact?

THEORY = FACT in science.

THEORY:

from M-W.com
Theory:
3 : the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>

This is the scientific definition of theory. If you are so closed minded that you fixate on little words (whose meaning you don't seem to get in context) then you are worthless to talk to.

again, I DEMAND links for you to back up your claims, and I will not reply to your posts with anything but "LINKS" until we see something to back up what you have to say.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: So
I demand a LINK to these so called NEW SCIENTIFIC FINDS that challenge "evolutionists" claims.

How can you be so ignorant and indigently proud?

Still no links?

 

[oldman420]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: So
I demand a LINK to these so called NEW SCIENTIFIC FINDS that challenge "evolutionists" claims.

How can you be so ignorant and indigently proud?

how can YOU be so ignorant and indignantly proud dirt boy. your spelling speaks for you louder then your words do.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: MrK6

You're an idiot because you call me an idiot. Otherwise you wouldn't need to say that. Something about that must make you feel better about yourself. Funny how all the evolutionists here like to throw insults and then call me a troll. lol

Why don't you call them on that? Oh yea, cause it makes you all feel better about yourselves to call people on the Internet names.

Darwin didn't even believe in his own evidence, which you'd know if you studied him, but you didn't.

You'd also know the scientific community has said, Darwan was wrong on many things, but you probably didn't know this either.

Some in this thread claim evolution is a fact and nobody should disagree. Clearly that isn't true, because others claim it is a theory. If it was a fact, you should have so much evidence that beyond a reasonable doubt you could convince someone. No such evidence exists today. Much of evolution is based on speculation with the hopes that someday we might find evidence to support it.

Some say evolution happened rapidly through mutations, others claim slowly. Confusion? I'd say so.

Is is scientific fact that birds evolved from dinosaurs? And would you say you base your conviction of evolution on this fact?

ROFL you still don't even understand what a theory is based upon what you just said, therefore your statements are meaningless. At least learn what scientific theory is before you post again.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: oldman420

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: So
I demand a LINK to these so called NEW SCIENTIFIC FINDS that challenge "evolutionists" claims.

How can you be so ignorant and indigently proud?

how can YOU be so ignorant and indignantly proud dirt boy. your spelling speaks for you louder then your words do.

He's quoting me. I said indigent, and I meant it. He's intellectually indigent. That said, don't reply to him w/ anything but "Links" until he supplies them. Anything else and he'll latch onto it and ignore the lack of any support for his claims.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: oldman420

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: So
I demand a LINK to these so called NEW SCIENTIFIC FINDS that challenge "evolutionists" claims.

How can you be so ignorant and indigently proud?

how can YOU be so ignorant and indignantly proud dirt boy. your spelling speaks for you louder then your words do.

This will be my last post in this thread.

Clearly this response goes to show you are all merely here to gang up on me and attack me, when you won't even call each other on blatent mistakes.

oldman, go check yourself. I copied and pasted letter-for-letter what So said but you chose to ignore that and insult me for my spelling, when it was first his mistake.

PWNED!!

LOL

Have fun kiddies. I'm glad you're all posting here to support each other and attack anyone who disagrees without even reading what your pals are saying. Your biases show far past your ignorant views of your own beliefs.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: oldman420

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: So
I demand a LINK to these so called NEW SCIENTIFIC FINDS that challenge "evolutionists" claims.

How can you be so ignorant and indigently proud?

how can YOU be so ignorant and indignantly proud dirt boy. your spelling speaks for you louder then your words do.

This will be my last post in this thread.

Clearly this response goes to show you are all merely here to gang up on me and attack me, when you won't even call each other on blatent mistakes.

oldman, go check yourself. I copied and pasted letter-for-letter what So said but you chose to ignore that and insult me for my spelling, when it was first his mistake.

PWNED!!

LOL

Have fun kiddies. I'm glad you're all posting here to support each other and attack anyone who disagrees without even reading what your pals are saying. Your biases show far past your ignorant views of your own beliefs.

You still haven't given us a link to support any of your claims.

 

[zinfamous]

Dirtboy is a troll living in his mother's basement. Nothing more. Let's stop allowing him his jollies. Although his existence is a stain on natural selection, the truth will come back to haunt him when he fails to find a female desperate and ignorant enough to mate with him.

He shoots down the available evidence without reading it, and without one solitary argument other than: "I am right, you're wrong, you can't prove that I'm wrong." He fails to provide links supporting his claims (there are none). He has demonstrated to the internet-capable world that he has a distorted primary school-level understanding of evolution. He went to museums, good for him. I doubt that he can read above the 3rd grade level that museums are designed for.

Those, dirtboy, are facts. Every post of yours in this thread proves them to be true. If you ever gain the ability to debate properly (provide evidence, and not attacks based on ignorance), then perhaps you would have something valuable to contribute to such a discussion.

In the meantime: stop trolling, you silly, ignorant little troll.
And remember, the Accutane is a topical ointment, and is not meant as a garnish to be eaten with your cheetos.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
Dirtboy is a troll living in his mother's basement. Nothing more. Let's stop allowing him his jollies. Although his existence is a stain on natural selection, the truth will come back to haunt him when he fails to find a female desperate and ignorant enough to mate with him.

He shoots down the available evidence without reading it, and without one solitary argument other than: "I am right, you're wrong, you can't prove that I'm wrong." He fails to provide links supporting his claims (there are none). He has demonstrated to the internet-capable world that he has a distorted primary school-level understanding of evolution. He went to museums, good for him. I doubt that he can read above the 3rd grade level that museums are designed for.

Those, dirtboy, are facts. Every post of yours in this thread proves them to be true. If you ever gain the ability to debate properly (provide evidence, and not attacks based on ignorance), then perhaps you would have something valuable to contribute to such a discussion.

In the meantime: stop trolling, you silly, ignorant little troll.
And remember, the Accutane is a topical ointment, and is not meant as a garnish to be eaten with your cheetos.

Don't give him more jabber to pick apart. Demand links. One sentence, or he'll try to fixate on some minor side argument.

Links?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: MrK6

You're an idiot because you call me an idiot. Otherwise you wouldn't need to say that. Something about that must make you feel better about yourself. Funny how all the evolutionists here like to throw insults and then call me a troll. lol

Why don't you call them on that? Oh yea, cause it makes you all feel better about yourselves to call people on the Internet names.

Darwin didn't even believe in his own evidence, which you'd know if you studied him, but you didn't.

You'd also know the scientific community has said, Darwan was wrong on many things, but you probably didn't know this either.

Some in this thread claim evolution is a fact and nobody should disagree. Clearly that isn't true, because others claim it is a theory. If it was a fact, you should have so much evidence that beyond a reasonable doubt you could convince someone. No such evidence exists today. Much of evolution is based on speculation with the hopes that someday we might find evidence to support it.

Some say evolution happened rapidly through mutations, others claim slowly. Confusion? I'd say so.

Is is scientific fact that birds evolved from dinosaurs? And would you say you base your conviction of evolution on this fact?

You, dirtboy, are completely wrong on all of these accounts. People call you a troll, because you are one. You make asinine claims without a shread of evidence to back it up.

Tell me how Darwin didn't believe his own evidence. Is it the fact that his evidence troubled his beliefs for twenty long years to such a degree that he lost his faith? I don't think that his own evidence destroying his fiath ammounts to him disbelieving this evidence. Attempt to disprove me. you can't. You haven't read Darwin, you have not been exposed to evolutionary theory, and you've proven this.

It is irrational for you to think otherwise. Everyone has challenged you to find support for your claims. You have failed repeatedly. Your statements do not equal fact. Is that simple enough for you to understand?

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: dirtboy
This will be my last post in this thread.

First intelligent thing you have stated this whole thread.

 

[MrK6]

I still would have liked dirtboy to admit that he is an idiot, but oh well. Honestly, I don't like pointing specific people out, but: after working my ass off in college, people who know jackshit and continue to think that their opinion means more than jackshit piss me off. Go learn something before you speak, ignorant fools drive down the progress of humanity.

 

[verndewd]

You are begging for throwing knives

I believe in intelligent design.
I believe God is the perfect unity of the human soul,And that we are subjects of a spiritual multiverse.
I believe there are 3 stages to the existence of the spirit,and a fourth as indicated in the bible is a harvesting field ,expressly for the infinite expansion of the super conciousness.
The first tier of spirit is individual
the second is oneness with the absolute in creation
the third is the holy spirit or the parameter for the existence of all and its purpose is to guide.

I believe that evolution is an example of divine principal and the explicit example of what bieng eternal means.
I also believe we had a hand in aiding the creation of this material reality, I believ the time before earth was when our forebearers and the god and holy spirit ,knew of the next phase of growth for infinity,and could sense from our prebirth what we would need to learn to survive.

I also believe that hell is the choice to not be eternal And regardless of belief and doctrine I believ the choice will remain eternally.

I dont believ the god platform is so narrow as minds of men can concieve.I believe it is likened to a quantum spiritual dimensional tetrahedric mobius like continuum.

I think science and god are one,and i think man is an ignorant beast.

 

[verndewd]

I also believe that eternity can only be achieved by a discipline to righteous behavior,Because of the fact that all subversive equations of personality eventually have an end.

In math a righteous philosophy and belief would be 3 divided by one.Meaning there is no eventual end to the qualities a soul posesses, or that said qualities can endure infinitely without meeting an opposing force.

infinity has no opposing force,even the finite,its opposite can offer no resistance.compassions only foe is the finite mentality that men subject it to.

 

[JACKHAMMER]

Originally posted by: dirtboy


Evolution is not waterproof. If it was, there would be no debate. What I see in this thread is people go to college and they are spoon fed materials and never stop to critcially think about it. They never challenged the words of their professors, thus making them believe in evolution just as blindly as they claim "Bible thumpers" are. When I went to school, I challenged the professors and asked them to validate things, be responsible for their claims. Clearly critical thinking didn't evolve into the group of people here.



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Like I said above, I think it is pointless to argue w/ people like you. No matter how much evidence you are presented with - it will never be enough. The fossil record is NOT a complete record, you will never have a nice linear progression with all the transitional species. But please, don't make this mistake - THERE IS NO DEBATE. Not in the scientific community, not in other western cultures; pretend all you like - there is no intelligent debate going on here. There is one side a natural phenomena like NS with mountains of data, and there is a small minority of non-scientists (life) that bring up the supernatural.

I challenge you to come up with an alternate hypothesis (NOT theory) that explains:

1. The dichotomy of the diversity of life contrasted with the gross similarities all living things on this planet share.
2. Is predictive in nature.
3. Is caused by some type of natural method (GOD is not science, not provable, let alone there are dozens of religions each w/ their own ideas).

There are more, but if you get those 3 it'll be a start.

 

[verndewd]

expound on your points please.

as far as #1 goes its very complicated and not something youd ascribe to any way.
2.predictive?care to use another word?
3.based on belief not even science is totally beyond bieng a mechanism of faith.Thats why it must crawl at a snails pace to be proven and disproven by verifiable means.
Outside of faith and divine intervention there is no quantification for the presence of god except to those who chose to see things in that way.

psychic phenomenon is one of the gifts of the spirit..as an example goes.Mans unproven theory is somewhat of a human wifi network where ultra sensitive individuals have receptors of certain qualities.

ever had an experience?I have had several,from remote viewing to mundane prophecy.
I had a dream a california city would be attacked as well as seattle,those were a while ago two that may not come true but may.The dreams were pre bush.

several dreams i have had have predicted future events in my life over the span of years.some realizations were a decade away.But i dont brush them off and forget them.
I had a dream about a cave in in an eastern country or a serious tunnel accident,when i awoke a name was etched in my mind.
I brought it up to an aquaintence who had been studied at a major university for ESP when she was a child;She told me to search the web,I did and found the name and associated to the name was a foreman overseeing a tunnel project in India where a serious accident had just happened That morning.This is a fact it happened and can be proven by her testimony.
science that to death.

If you want me to theorize the relationship of matter and spirit just ask I will be happy to amuse your agnosticism.

What is deja vu?the gift of prophecy from god meant to call you to an awareness of the power within you.its a dream you had in sleep or wakened state that become a real segment in your day as a calling card from god that he is indeed there.

Since we are talking about what we believe ,consider science its ultimate all divulging end where all things are identified yet the path to that end is faith and belief;and the god of science is the total explanation of all things ;And only by faith can you ascribe to the belief that ALL things can be explained.
Diachotomy is an excellent word.

In what paralell universe would one observe a quantum leap or a quantum state,or for that matter the true effects of the space time bending of a black hole or align several large planets and spin them in such a way as to create a gravitational time machine.

How exactly would you test these theories?

 

[verndewd]

The mathematics used by science can be applied to the study of god;I would appeal on mans ignorant behalf but the answer is blessed are those that believe and do not see.
Troubled are those that see and believe and condemned by their own choice are those that see yet do not believe.

So in order to theorize about god in math you must see,And would do well to believe but creation needs its nothing dust and you can chose to be that.Man is nearing a phase when he will begin theorizing the metaphysical with mathematics,string theory is a great start.I feel we are years away from the ability to describe what cannot be seen.

Here is a simple example break the atom down to its core components beyond the quark.
if you can define the aspects of the atom ,we can continue.
I will get you started quarks and gluons and Grand unified theory.

Hows that graviton theory going?

You know what science needs? god you know what god needs? science.

God needs a science to define god based theory and quantum meachanics and string theory are the enrty point.Unfortunately if string theory is never proven ,it makes god science harder to deal with.I guess we will see if the new Hadron collider in geneva can aid in the persuit.

My theories about the existence of god closely tie into string theorem in that infinite concious ness is energy beyong measure in unified states of vibration and fundamental energies and energies yet undefined.

when upon becoming matter the divergence occurs and strings are used to create matter after the divergence of unification.The process of divergence creates measurable units of energy or slows down; and vibrations are partial identifiers to particles that will form atoms and align to compatible forms. all compatible forms have certain natures of progression which ultimately lead to evolution and decay and changing states.

 

[Siddhartha]

I am not a deist so I am not inclined to assume that a supernatural force is involve with myself and everything I see around me.

As a scientist, I think that Evolution is the best explanation of what we see around us and in the fossil record. I will not be surprised if some new evidence or explanation comes up that does a better job than Evolution.

Alot can happen in millions of years when you have an energy source like our sun.

 

[dug777]

i don't see how cancer (as an arbitrary example) fits in with the whole ID argument, God likes to see us dying horrible deaths so he designed that? yeah, that makes sense

 

[3NF]

Originally posted by: verndewd

I dont believ the god platform is so narrow as minds of men can concieve.I believe it is likened to a quantum spiritual dimensional tetrahedric mobius like continuum.

I think science and god are one,and i think man is an ignorant beast.

What the heck is a "quantum spiritual dimensional tetrahedric mobius like continuum"?

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: dug777
i don't see how cancer (as an arbitrary example) fits in with the whole ID argument, God likes to see us dying horrible deaths so he designed that? yeah, that makes sense

I won't turn this into a Bible thread, but you don't seem to understand much about it.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: 3NF

Originally posted by: verndewd

I dont believ the god platform is so narrow as minds of men can concieve.I believe it is likened to a quantum spiritual dimensional tetrahedric mobius like continuum.

I think science and god are one,and i think man is an ignorant beast.

What the heck is a "quantum spiritual dimensional tetrahedric mobius like continuum"?

You'd understand too after a night of LSD and internet philosophy

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: 3NF

Originally posted by: verndewd

I dont believ the god platform is so narrow as minds of men can concieve.I believe it is likened to a quantum spiritual dimensional tetrahedric mobius like continuum.

I think science and god are one,and i think man is an ignorant beast.

What the heck is a "quantum spiritual dimensional tetrahedric mobius like continuum"?

Pseudo-philosophic reasoning likened to an ostentatious, pedantic, quasi-sagacious, prolix delineation intended to simulate the complexion of magnanimous literati.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: dug777
i don't see how cancer (as an arbitrary example) fits in with the whole ID argument, God likes to see us dying horrible deaths so he designed that? yeah, that makes sense

I won't turn this into a Bible thread, but you don't seem to understand much about it.

Most ID proponents claim the theory is not adherent to any specific religion, it merely proposes the existence of some designer. So the Bible should have nothing to do with ID, yes?

Cancer (and many many other things) indicate the proposed designer could've done a much much better job, or perhaps he just wanted random people to suffer and die.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: 3NF

Originally posted by: verndewd

I dont believ the god platform is so narrow as minds of men can concieve.I believe it is likened to a quantum spiritual dimensional tetrahedric mobius like continuum.

I think science and god are one,and i think man is an ignorant beast.

What the heck is a "quantum spiritual dimensional tetrahedric mobius like continuum"?

You'd understand too after a night of LSD and internet philosophy

BWAHAHAHAH that had me laughing out loud. Good one.