Intelligent Design vs Evolution

[WHAMPOM]

Evolution is the process that got mankind to the point of
practicing intelligent design. I just hope we have developed the
smarts to tell the difference between good and bad design.

 

[Beev]

Originally posted by: JEDI
Huh? Why was he given a vacation for that thread?! Yeah, it's a parody thread, but a 2week vacation??? (And i didnt think it was a bad parody.)

And the mods saying he's a troll for creating that thread?

What am i missing?!?

Not to mention the mod couldn't even properly spell "enema."

Anyway, I really don't know. I have no proof that God does or doesn't exist so I just don't think about it. May be the cowards way out, but it works for me.

One thing that gets me is that Hinduism (I think that's the one) came about LONG before Christianity. Why would God let that happen? Other than the "to test people's faith" malarky.

 

[timosyy]

I lol'd.

^ I was going to just end the post there, but since its only page 3, I'll entertain you a bit, so here goes:

1) I think the subject is beat to death.
2) I think "Intelligent Design" is just creationists trying to sound more appealing to the general public.
3) I think the entire "Intelligent Design vs. Evolution" or "Creationism vs. Evolution" or "Evolution" debate is really just a roundabout way of saying "Religion vs Science", to make religious people feel a bit more edgy & non-religious people to use a very strong groundwork/foundation of science to somehow tell religious people "you're wrong about God, because evolution exists".

In the end the entire argument is as silly as it is flawed- if anything Science tells us how things were made (theory of evolution, Big Bang, what have you), and religion tells us why. The book (Genesis) simply conveys truths about God, human beings, and the relationship between the two, expressed in the only form capable of transmitting these truths from generation to generation. It is not a scientific text. There is no "physics" section of the Bible. It was meant to transform hearts, not explain the universe. So really, the two are rather unrelated in my mind. To somehow ignore or reject evolution would be embracing ignorance and passing on that culture of ignorance to later generations. Both science & religion have a lot to offer each other, and its silly to stand on the sides & try to discredit one or the other.

In the end, there is no scientific test that can prove either way the difference between a universe created by God or one that started without Him. Debates like "Intelligent Design vs. Evolution" don't really get you anywhere.

my $.02

 

[Vic]

I'm confused by the either-or choice here, as it's an apples-and-oranges comparison. ID is just evolution with God replacing abiogenesis. As abiogenesis is a quite controversial hypothesis and not widely accepted science, and ID is similarly controversial and not widely accepted among religionists, the whole debate seems a lot of much ado about nothing.
Evolution OTOH is factual and fine all by itself. We're never going to know or prove how life initially began, whether by chance or by divine design, so I can't really see what the big abiogenesis vs. ID fight is all about, except some people can't accept other peoples' beliefs.

However, I would ask that the OP correct his poll, although I'll admit that any choice made between ID and abiogenesis would be opinion and nothing more.

 

[CellarDoor]

I like the Wizard of Oz.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: Vic
I'm confused by the either-or choice here, as it's an apples-and-oranges comparison. ID is just evolution with God replacing abiogenesis. As abiogenesis is a quite controversial hypothesis and not widely accepted science, and ID is similarly controversial and not widely accepted among religionists, the whole debate seems a lot of much ado about nothing.
Evolution OTOH is factual and fine all by itself. We're never going to know or prove how life initially began, whether by chance or by divine design, so I can't really see what the big abiogenesis vs. ID fight is all about, except some people can't accept other peoples' beliefs.

However, I would ask that the OP correct his poll, although I'll admit that any choice made between ID and abiogenesis would be opinion and nothing more.

ID goes beyond the initial creation though. It's suggesting that natural selection itself is incapable of evolving the complex array of life we see today. So basically it says some "guiding hand" must have helped things along to reach this kind of complexity.

And as far as I'm aware of, the abiogenesis theory of the origin of life is the most widely accepted one in the science field, atleast among evolutionary biologists

 

[Strk]

Intelligent design is creationism with new words. Evolution is real -- deal with it.

 

[chambersc]

Well, we know that the universe is expanding slowly. We know this. We have measured this. This is fact. Since we can measure the expansion, we can logically deduce that it's expanding away from a single point. We know this. Since we have measured the expansion, we know the speed from which it exited through this point. What we don't know is why there is something from nothing. This is what religion exploits. There exists, in some people's minds, a "God of the Gaps."

Due to my belief that the Bible is an overly dramatized book that was composed by very passionate authors who wanted to push their viewpoints as fact, I do not value religion/religious beliefs/people who believe these religious beliefs at all.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: chambersc
...

Due to my belief that the Bible is an overly dramatized book that was composed by very passionate authors who wanted to push their viewpoints as fact, I do not value religion/religious beliefs/people who believe these religious beliefs at all.

What if they're really good looking?

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: chambersc
...

Due to my belief that the Bible is an overly dramatized book that was composed by very passionate authors who wanted to push their viewpoints as fact, I do not value religion/religious beliefs/people who believe these religious beliefs at all.

What if they're really good looking?

Well I have noticed most hotties I have plundered were screaming "oh God" at some point....didn't bother me at all.

 

[Crono]

Intelligent Design. This planet and universe were perfect in design before we humans screwed it up (all of creation is the pain of childbirth, see book of Romans) and God has allowed Satan and us free reign for a limited time before He comes back to "wipe the board clean" and recreate the universe. Even in it's fallen state, though, you can still see some of the beauty and intricacy in this world that could have only come from the Creator. Sure you can deny this, just like some people deny reality itself, but the truth of His existance is written in the heart of every single person who ever lived, whether the person denies it or not. People want to deny God so that they can continue to live in sin, or proudfully justify themselves through their own works. You can only be saved by the grace of God, though.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Crono
Intelligent Design. This planet and universe were perfect in design before we humans screwed it up (all of creation is the pain of childbirth, see book of Romans) and God has allowed Satan and us free reign for a limited time before He comes back to "wipe the board clean" and recreate the universe. Even in it's fallen state, though, you can still see some of the beauty and intricacy in this world that could have only come from the Creator. Sure you can deny this, just like some people deny reality itself, but the truth of His existance is written in the heart of every single person who ever lived, whether the person denies it or not. People want to deny God so that they can continue to live in sin, or proudfully justify themselves through their own works. You can only be saved by the grace of God, though.

Could you make a list of your god's redeeming values?

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Crono
Intelligent Design. This planet and universe were perfect in design before we humans screwed it up (all of creation is the pain of childbirth, see book of Romans) and God has allowed Satan and us free reign for a limited time before He comes back to "wipe the board clean" and recreate the universe. Even in it's fallen state, though, you can still see some of the beauty and intricacy in this world that could have only come from the Creator. Sure you can deny this, just like some people deny reality itself, but the truth of His existance is written in the heart of every single person who ever lived, whether the person denies it or not. People want to deny God so that they can continue to live in sin, or proudfully justify themselves through their own works. You can only be saved by the grace of God, though.

Could you make a list of your god's redeeming values?

Your signatures are wonderfully juxtaposed. I hope he does, indeed, provide this list.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: ironwing
This is shaking my lack of belief. Only a god as annoying as the god of the bible could keep unleashing these threads.

Perhaps we sinned in a past life and this thread is Hell :Q

 

[LtPage1]

There is no debate. This is a false dichotomy.

 

[PHiuR]

why can't people accept that there is a higher power that brought all living things into existence...However, our lives are not controlled by this higher power and we are here to make discoveries for human kind.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: PHiuR
why can't people accept that there is a higher power that brought all living things into existence...However, our lives are not controlled by this higher power and we are here to make discoveries for human kind.

Because it isn't necessary.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: chambersc
...

Due to my belief that the Bible is an overly dramatized book that was composed by very passionate authors who wanted to push their viewpoints as fact, I do not value religion/religious beliefs/people who believe these religious beliefs at all.

What if they're really good looking?

Well I have noticed most hotties I have plundered were screaming "oh God" at some point....didn't bother me at all.

Damned impregnable logic!

 

[dirtboy]

Evolutionists and science has been trying to prove evolution since the dawn of time. Not only is there no evidence supporting evolution, but science actually disproves evolution. If you believe in evolution over ID, then you are believing in blind faith of a factless theory.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Personally, I don't think there's any point in debating this at all. It's not as though the bible thumpers are going to prove their point or that the Evolution crowd are going to disprove god to the satisfaction of the fundies so it's really a stupid debate.

So, how about the religious nutballs just bury their heads in the sand and believe that magic fairies created everything and there's no reason to explore because god created everything so that solves all the mysteries of the universe and you let the Evolutionists (is that even a word???) go on researching scientific theories and discovering how the universe really works without berating them and doing your best to stop them?

What do you say holy rolling nutballs? Is this okay with you? Hmmm? Do we have an agreement?

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: dirtboy
Evolutionists and science has been trying to prove evolution since the dawn of time. Not only is there no evidence supporting evolution, but science actually disproves evolution. If you believe in evolution over ID, then you are believing in blind faith of a factless theory.

Scientists have been trying to figure out how things work. A couple of centuries ago, Darwin just figured out one of the things that make the world work.

 

[everman]

What if evolution was intelligently designed?

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: 40sTheme

Originally posted by: sao123
How about neither...

Its as simple as this folks...
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.


I dont need science to explain it... its all right there.

ding ding we have a winner

I hope my sarcasm meter is broken

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: dirtboy
Evolutionists and science has been trying to prove evolution since the dawn of time. Not only is there no evidence supporting evolution, but science actually disproves evolution. If you believe in evolution over ID, then you are believing in blind faith of a factless theory.

Scientists have been trying to figure out how things work. A couple of centuries ago, Darwin just figured out one of the things that make the world work.

Have you read Darwin? I suspect not. Even he questions his own data and concludes that he sufficiently can't prove evolution. Even evolutionists say that his data doesn't prove anything.

So how can you base your beliefs on something the author says isn't proven and evolutionists says doesn't prove evolution?

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: dirtboy
Evolutionists and science has been trying to prove evolution since the dawn of time. Not only is there no evidence supporting evolution, but science actually disproves evolution. If you believe in evolution over ID, then you are believing in blind faith of a factless theory.

Scientists have been trying to figure out how things work. A couple of centuries ago, Darwin just figured out one of the things that make the world work.

Have you read Darwin? I suspect not. Even he questions his own data and concludes that he sufficiently can't prove evolution. Even evolutionists say that his data doesn't prove anything.

So how can you base your beliefs on something the author says isn't proven and evolutionists says doesn't prove evolution?

You're right. We should give up on it. All of that research that has since taken place is rubbish :roll: