Intelligent Design vs Evolution

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: dirtboy
Evolutionists and science has been trying to prove evolution since the dawn of time. Not only is there no evidence supporting evolution, but science actually disproves evolution. If you believe in evolution over ID, then you are believing in blind faith of a factless theory.

Scientists have been trying to figure out how things work. A couple of centuries ago, Darwin just figured out one of the things that make the world work.

Have you read Darwin? I suspect not. Even he questions his own data and concludes that he sufficiently can't prove evolution. Even evolutionists say that his data doesn't prove anything.

So how can you base your beliefs on something the author says isn't proven and evolutionists says doesn't prove evolution?

You're right. We should give up on it. All of that research that has since taken place is rubbish :roll:

Hey, why don't we all join the debate on P&N.

Even ATOT shouldn't be subjected to 8 bajillion threads on the same thing. That's what P&N is for.

edit: didn't realize who I was quoting...

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: dirtboy
Evolutionists and science has been trying to prove evolution since the dawn of time. Not only is there no evidence supporting evolution, but science actually disproves evolution. If you believe in evolution over ID, then you are believing in blind faith of a factless theory.

Scientists have been trying to figure out how things work. A couple of centuries ago, Darwin just figured out one of the things that make the world work.

Have you read Darwin? I suspect not. Even he questions his own data and concludes that he sufficiently can't prove evolution. Even evolutionists say that his data doesn't prove anything.

So how can you base your beliefs on something the author says isn't proven and evolutionists says doesn't prove evolution?

You're right. We should give up on it. All of that research that has since taken place is rubbish :roll:

Research disproves evolution. Not my fault you blankely believed with your college professors spoon fed you.

After all, modern reserach debunks Darwin's claims. So where is all this research that proves evolution?

I know you can't answer that, so tell me what man evolved from?

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: dirtboy
Then tell me what man evolved from?

Man evolved from the Chevy Lumina.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: dirtboy
Evolutionists and science has been trying to prove evolution since the dawn of time. Not only is there no evidence supporting evolution, but science actually disproves evolution. If you believe in evolution over ID, then you are believing in blind faith of a factless theory.

Scientists have been trying to figure out how things work. A couple of centuries ago, Darwin just figured out one of the things that make the world work.

Have you read Darwin? I suspect not. Even he questions his own data and concludes that he sufficiently can't prove evolution. Even evolutionists say that his data doesn't prove anything.

So how can you base your beliefs on something the author says isn't proven and evolutionists says doesn't prove evolution?

You're right. We should give up on it. All of that research that has since taken place is rubbish :roll:

Research disproves evolution. Not my fault you blankely believed with your college professors spoon fed you.

After all, modern reserach debunks Darwin's claims. So where is all this research that proves evolution?

I know you can't answer that, so tell me what man evolved from?

modern research does not debunk Darwin, atleast not the important parts of "origin of species." and yes my college professors told me this, who also happens to researchers in molecular evolution.

and man evolved from some form of hominid that no longer exists.

Show me a peer reviewed journal from pubmed that says natural selection is completely debunked

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: dirtboy
Evolutionists and science has been trying to prove evolution since the dawn of time. Not only is there no evidence supporting evolution, but science actually disproves evolution. If you believe in evolution over ID, then you are believing in blind faith of a factless theory.

Scientists have been trying to figure out how things work. A couple of centuries ago, Darwin just figured out one of the things that make the world work.

Have you read Darwin? I suspect not. Even he questions his own data and concludes that he sufficiently can't prove evolution. Even evolutionists say that his data doesn't prove anything.

So how can you base your beliefs on something the author says isn't proven and evolutionists says doesn't prove evolution?

You're right. We should give up on it. All of that research that has since taken place is rubbish :roll:

Research disproves evolution. Not my fault you blankely believed with your college professors spoon fed you.

After all, modern reserach debunks Darwin's claims. So where is all this research that proves evolution?

I know you can't answer that, so tell me what man evolved from?

No modern scientific research has disproved evolution. Here's a good start amount of information you can enlighten yourself with..

Oh, and man evolved from an ape-like creature.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: oldman420
I will agree that the creation of the universe and all that has followed is a profound mystery that as of yet has no definitive explanation, but I personally have a very hard time believing that there was some master being or intelligence that created it all.

Sorry I picked so many characters for my name, I know I should've picked 3 starting with G

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
modern research does not debunk Darwin, atleast not the important parts of "origin of species." and yes my college professors told me this, who also happens to researchers in molecular evolution.

and man evolved from some form of hominid that no longer exists.

Show me a peer reviewed journal from pubmed that says natural selection is completely debunked

Please provide fossil evidence of this transition and tell me what this "hominid" evoloved from.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: Strk
No modern scientific research has disproved evolution. Here's a good start amount of information you can enlighten yourself with..

Oh, and man evolved from an ape-like creature.

Please provide fossil records of this transition and please explain to me why there are no more of this ape-like creatures around. Certainly if evolution is a continuous form, there will be apes evolving right now and ape-like creatures evolving into man right now. Of course, nothing is doing this and ever has; science proves that. Let's see how you prove science wrong.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Mo0o
modern research does not debunk Darwin, atleast not the important parts of "origin of species." and yes my college professors told me this, who also happens to researchers in molecular evolution.

and man evolved from some form of hominid that no longer exists.

Show me a peer reviewed journal from pubmed that says natural selection is completely debunked

Please provide fossil evidence of this transition and tell me what this "hominid" evoloved from.

The transitions can be seen from the comparisons of the different hominid species that show a gradual phenotypic variation to humans. And that hominid will have evolved from some other kind of hominid that looks even less human. Btw, I'm still waiting for your peer reviewed research paper from pubmed that says natural selection is completely wrong

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Mo0o
modern research does not debunk Darwin, atleast not the important parts of "origin of species." and yes my college professors told me this, who also happens to researchers in molecular evolution.

and man evolved from some form of hominid that no longer exists.

Show me a peer reviewed journal from pubmed that says natural selection is completely debunked

Please provide fossil evidence of this transition and tell me what this "hominid" evoloved from.

The transitions can be seen from the comparisons of the different hominid species that show a gradual phenotypic variation to humans. And that hominid will have evolved from some other kind of hominid that looks even less human. Btw, I'm still waiting for your peer reviewed research paper from pubmed that says natural selection is completely wrong

Ahhh so you have no fossils to support your claim that man came from a hominid, that you can't say where that came from. Also interestingly enough, you didn't challenge your buddy's claim that man came from ape. I thought you both said science and research is clear on this?

So, where are all these bones of hominids? What did hominids evolve from? This is easy, show me museums full of these hominids showing a gradual evolution. Then tell me where hominids came from.

This is what you blindly believe in and have scienctific proof of. Why is this so hard for you?

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Mo0o
modern research does not debunk Darwin, atleast not the important parts of "origin of species." and yes my college professors told me this, who also happens to researchers in molecular evolution.

and man evolved from some form of hominid that no longer exists.

Show me a peer reviewed journal from pubmed that says natural selection is completely debunked

Please provide fossil evidence of this transition and tell me what this "hominid" evoloved from.

The transitions can be seen from the comparisons of the different hominid species that show a gradual phenotypic variation to humans. And that hominid will have evolved from some other kind of hominid that looks even less human. Btw, I'm still waiting for your peer reviewed research paper from pubmed that says natural selection is completely wrong

Ahhh so you have no fossils to support your claim that man came from a hominid, that you can't say where that came from. Also interestingly enough, you didn't challenge your buddy's claim that man came from ape. I thought you both said science and research is clear on this?

So, where are all these bones of hominids? What did hominids evolve from? This is easy, show me museums full of these hominids showing a gradual evolution. Then tell me where hominids came from.

This is what you blindly believe in and have scienctific proof of. Why is this so hard for you?

what are you talking about? There are plenty of hominid fossils. and some of the fossils have viable DNA and theyve done phylogeny studies on them. What are you expecting? The fossilized single speciation event of the early hominid to man? Fossil evidence has provided the dots and natural selection provides the theory that lets us connect those dots in a meaningful way with predictive capabilities. Creationism basically looks at these dots, shrugs, and writes God over it.

I also find it laughable that you're accusing me of not having enough evidence when you're supporting ID, your entire "field" is based aroudn not having evidence.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Strk
No modern scientific research has disproved evolution. Here's a good start amount of information you can enlighten yourself with..

Oh, and man evolved from an ape-like creature.

Please provide fossil records of this transition

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and please explain to me why there are no more of this ape-like creatures around.

They aren't here because the current population has diverged from them. It's been quite a long time.

Certainly if evolution is a continuous form, there will be apes evolving right now

yes, of course.

and ape-like creatures evolving into man right now.

No, that's not predicted by any theory I'm aware of.

Of course, nothing is doing this and ever has; science proves that. Let's see how you prove science wrong.

lol.

edit: fixed quotes (hopefully)

 

[dirtboy]

hahaha So you guys claims millions of years of evolution and you have a few scraps of bones and can't say why nothing has shown any sign of evolution or anything is currently evolving?? Notably a number of those bone scraps you provide as evidence has been disproved by scientists and evolutionists as not part of the evolutionary cycle. After all this time you claim, there should be 100's of thousands of fossils, but you present scraps. Nobody is convinced... show me complete progression of fossil records. Shouldn't be that hard.

Why do we have complete fossils of animals and dinosaurs and yet nothing showing this ape/hominid (obviously you guys don't know which) evolution?

Wow... you guys will believe anything.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: dirtboy
hahaha So you guys claims millions of years of evolution and you have a few scraps of bones and can't say why nothing has shown any sign of evolution or anything is currently evolving?? Notably a number of those bone scraps you provide as evidence has been disproved by scientists and evolutionists as not part of the evolutionary cycle. After all this time you claim, there should be 100's of thousands of fossils, but you present scraps. Nobody is convinced... show me complete progression of fossil records. Shouldn't be that hard.

Why do we have complete fossils of animals and dinosaurs and yet nothing showing this ape/hominid (obviously you guys don't know which) evolution?

Wow... you guys will believe anything.

Um... we dont have that many dinosaur fossils if you put everything into perspective. Fossilization is a incredibly tricky process so obviously not every dead animal is going to be fossilized. There are also key fossilization events that has provided a wide array of fossils at one instance in time. Check Burgess shale for starters.

ANd theres no such thing as "not being part of the eviolutionary cycle." Once again, please provide fossil and peer reviewed journal article.

What do u mean things aren't evolving? Biologist have observed speciation events that reprsent evolution. Things ARE constnatly evolving, why do u think there are drug resistant bacteria now? Infact we can create natural selection in a test tube.

Just wondering, how many evolution courses have you taken in college?

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: Gibsons
They aren't here because the current population has diverged from them. It's been quite a long time.

That contradicts the evolutionary process. Evolution doesn't stop, so things should be evolving all over the place. Where are they? Why is nothing evolving now?

Certainly if evolution is a continuous form, there will be apes evolving right now

yes, of course.

Can you point me to a zoo that has these ape-men?

and ape-like creatures evolving into man right now.

No, that's not predicted by any theory I'm aware of.

That's evolution... therefore in order to believe in evoltion, things should be in transition, including apes or whatever you say we evolved from.

Of course, nothing is doing this and ever has; science proves that. Let's see how you prove science wrong.

lol.

A horse has always been a horse. Fossil records prove that. Prove me wrong? Show me where horses weren't horses, how fossil records have evolved and what horses were before they were horses, and the evolutionary fossil record of this. Oddly enough all the fossils of horses we found show zero signs of evolution and match right up with horses bone structure today. What is your excuse for that?

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: dirtboy
hahaha So you guys claims millions of years of evolution and you have a few scraps of bones and can't say why nothing has shown any sign of evolution or anything is currently evolving?? Notably a number of those bone scraps you provide as evidence has been disproved by scientists and evolutionists as not part of the evolutionary cycle. After all this time you claim, there should be 100's of thousands of fossils, but you present scraps. Nobody is convinced... show me complete progression of fossil records. Shouldn't be that hard.

Why do we have complete fossils of animals and dinosaurs and yet nothing showing this ape/hominid (obviously you guys don't know which) evolution?

Wow... you guys will believe anything.

What evidence is there for the alternative?

 

[Mo0o]

A horse has always been a horse. Fossil records prove that. Prove me wrong? Show me where horses weren't horses, how fossil records have evolved and what horses were before they were horses, and the evolutionary fossil record of this. Oddly enough all the fossils of horses we found show zero signs of evolution and match right up with horses bone structure today. What is your excuse for that?


Because if it didn't match up it would be a horse. That's a horrible argument. There's no such thing as a half horse half other animal. Yo'ure either a horse or an animal that speciated into the horse. Before the modern horse evolved there have been horse like animals, those are what it evolved from

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: CKent
What evidence is there for the alternative?

Not fun being on the losing side of an arguement you should easily win, isn't it?

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

A horse has always been a horse. Fossil records prove that. Prove me wrong? Show me where horses weren't horses, how fossil records have evolved and what horses were before they were horses, and the evolutionary fossil record of this. Oddly enough all the fossils of horses we found show zero signs of evolution and match right up with horses bone structure today. What is your excuse for that?


Because if it didn't match up it would be a horse. That's a horrible argument. There's no such thing as a half horse half other animal. Yo'ure either a horse or an animal that speciated into the horse. Before the modern horse evolved there have been horse like animals, those are what it evolved from

Where are those pre-horse horses? Science has shown no proof there has been anything other than a horse.

You link a site with supposed pre-man skulls and bone fragments dating back over 2 million years. Yet, in a 2 million span of time you'd think there'd be tons of fossils. Look at how many people died in the last 50 years... that probably doesn't come close to the millions of pre-man, ape-man (funny you use this as an argument when evolutionists have already said this isn't true) or hominids, yet you can't provide any reasonable evidence of their existance. None. Not one. Yet you believe that over a course of 2 million years, these people evolved, which should have left millions of bones.

Where are they? Show me da bones!!

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Mo0o

A horse has always been a horse. Fossil records prove that. Prove me wrong? Show me where horses weren't horses, how fossil records have evolved and what horses were before they were horses, and the evolutionary fossil record of this. Oddly enough all the fossils of horses we found show zero signs of evolution and match right up with horses bone structure today. What is your excuse for that?


Because if it didn't match up it would be a horse. That's a horrible argument. There's no such thing as a half horse half other animal. Yo'ure either a horse or an animal that speciated into the horse. Before the modern horse evolved there have been horse like animals, those are what it evolved from

Where are those pre-horse horses? Science has shown no proof there has been anything other than a horse.

You link a site with supposed pre-man skulls and bone fragments dating back over 2 million years. Yet, in a 2 million span of time you'd think there'd be tons of fossils. Look at how many people died in the last 50 years... that probably doesn't come close to the millions of pre-man, ape-man (funny you use this as an arguement when evolutionists have already said this isn't true) or hominids, yet you can't provide any reasonable evidence of their existance. None. Not one. Yet you believe that over a course of 2 million years, these people evolved, which should have left millions of bones.

Where are they? Show me da bones!!

so are you saying if we dug we can find every horse that's ever lived?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/03/0317_050317_horseevolution.html
http://chem.tufts.edu/science/evolution/HorseEvolution.htm

 

[Tuktuk]

Evolution is as accepted as gravity in the scientific community. There are mountains of evidence supporting it. There are not holes in this evidence that compromise the integrity of the thoery.

Quite simply, if you believe carbon dating is wrong, if you believe there aren't fossils supporting it, if you believe there is contradicting evidence, you have not read more than what your religious leader is throwing at you. Trying to convince some people about evolution is like trying to show a man wearing a blindfold that the sky is blue. The evidence sits in front of him but he chooses not to simply take a look and see for himself.

There is no reason trying to repeat the theory of evolution to these people. The evidence is widely available on the internet, evidence that any objective mind would find convincing enough to accept. Unfortunately these people choose to filter the evidence to fit their own world views.

As someone who grew up Catholic, the refusal of the religious community to accept evolution disgusts me. Christianity and Islam both encourage the pursuit of knowledge over blind faith, and say so explicitly in their holy books.

 

[tigerslicer]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Mo0o
modern research does not debunk Darwin, atleast not the important parts of "origin of species." and yes my college professors told me this, who also happens to researchers in molecular evolution.

and man evolved from some form of hominid that no longer exists.

Show me a peer reviewed journal from pubmed that says natural selection is completely debunked

Please provide fossil evidence of this transition and tell me what this "hominid" evoloved from.

Please provide fossil evidence of god. Kthanks.

I think evolution probably exists. I know God exists. And if evolution exists God probably "designed" it. So what is the debate about?

 

[Tuktuk]

I'd like to also add that because the evidence for evolution is so overwhelming, you are simply not contributing to the pursuit of knowledge at this time to reject it completely. Questioning current theories is always an acceptable path to the pursuit of knowledge, but to reject a theory with such evidence on the basis of mostly artificial counterevidence is only done to support your religious views.

Because you are not contributing to the pursuit of knowledge, your opinion on the matter is useless and a detriment to the human race.

....and again, people asking for fossil evidence never fscking took Anthropology 101, because that's where you see FOSSILS UPON FOSSILS THAT SUPPORT EVOLUTION. I can't believe people are saying there is no fossil evidence!

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: Tuktuk
I'd like to also add that because the evidence for evolution is so overwhelming, you are simply not contributing to the pursuit of knowledge at this time to reject it completely. Questioning current theories is always an acceptable path to the pursuit of knowledge, but to reject a theory with such evidence on the basis of mostly artificial counterevidence is only done to support your religious views.

Because you are not contributing to the pursuit of knowledge, your opinion on the matter is useless and a detriment to the human race.

....and again, people asking for fossil evidence never fscking took Anthropology 101, because that's where you see FOSSILS UPON FOSSILS THAT SUPPORT EVOLUTION. I can't believe people are saying there is no fossil evidence!

Thanks for proving my point that evolution can't be proven. We have lots of compete dinosaur bones, that you say are older than human, but nothing showing the evolutionary cycle of humans over millions of years.

It's been fun boys and girls, enjoy your continued belief in something the scientists and evolutionists you love so dearly, can't prove.

 

[Tuktuk]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Tuktuk
I'd like to also add that because the evidence for evolution is so overwhelming, you are simply not contributing to the pursuit of knowledge at this time to reject it completely. Questioning current theories is always an acceptable path to the pursuit of knowledge, but to reject a theory with such evidence on the basis of mostly artificial counterevidence is only done to support your religious views.

Because you are not contributing to the pursuit of knowledge, your opinion on the matter is useless and a detriment to the human race.

....and again, people asking for fossil evidence never fscking took Anthropology 101, because that's where you see FOSSILS UPON FOSSILS THAT SUPPORT EVOLUTION. I can't believe people are saying there is no fossil evidence!

Thanks for proving my point that evolution can't be proven. We have lots of compete dinosaur bones, that you say are older than human, but nothing showing the evolutionary cycle of humans over millions of years.

It's been fun boys and girls, enjoy your continued belief in something the scientists and evolutionists you love so dearly, can't prove.

God can't be proven. At all. Not a shred of evidence for that.

You misunderstood what I was trying to say. Evolution is proven, it is accepted as fact. Like I said, as true as gravity pulling things to Earth. There is plenty that shows the evolutionary cycle of humans over millions of years, and every new fossil found falls perfectly in line with evolutionary theory.

You do not know what you are talking about and are the kind of person I am talking about, the kind that is doing nothing to help the pursuit of knowledge and should just keep their mouth shut on the subject.