Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Evolution is a broad topic, but, yes, it is a proven fact. Its mechanisms are what are theory.
You can't win this argument by straw man challenges against average joes on the internet. The only way you can get any high ground here is to defend your opinion. Frankly, if you opinion is that Intelligent Design is the way of things, I'd like to see you try. ID is as scientific as Scientology and is only barely hanging on to its religious upbringing.
My view is that you are wrong. I ask you to prove this scientific fact. So far, my questions have gone unanswered. Now you all are all running in fear out of desperation, so you keep trying to turn the tables.
There are what, 5+ of you, and one of me. Yet, all your scientific facts you can't explain where all the 55 million years of bones went and why the population of the Earth is way out of line with your claims.
They don't say otherwise.Originally posted by: dirtboy
And if was widely accepted, why do scientists and evolutionists say otherwise?
Originally posted by: Mo0o
The birds did not change, they event because of the drastic weather change that caused a massive shift in allele density within the population and an alteration of the wildtype phenotype. This IS evolution of a species.
Wolves have been selectively bred to become docile domesticated dogs, this is evolution.
The woodpecker most likely came from a bird that discovered picking into a tree to find bugs was good for survival. Then woodpecker behavior likely evolved to its present condition where its repeated pecking is the most efficent way of getting bugs. If you want to use the McDonalds example. Say all fo the sudden Madcow spreads throughout the world and the world's beef supply has become tainted. So now McDonalds only sells Chicken sandwiches. Essentially McDonalds has "evolved" into a chicken sandwich fast food place because of the "selective pressure" of tainted meat.
10,000 year is too little to observe large speciation events, especially at the level you're asking for. Yes evolution is a continual process but its a slow process that are interrupted by dramatic events that cause major changes (major extinctions).
And I'm STILL waiting for your scientific articles off pubmed that state all hominid fossils are NOT proof of evolution or are hoaxes
Originally posted by: Juddog
Please tell me you're joking. Your math is so off on this I dont' even know where to begin. In order to argue against something, you should at least learn about it. It is clear that you don't even understand basic principles of archaeology, let alone evolution. Go back and study some more before you start citing numbers so ridiculous that even someone who does believe in ID thinks you're nuts.
um... how do u think antibacterial resistance arises. thats cellular evolution.Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: Mo0o
The birds did not change, they event because of the drastic weather change that caused a massive shift in allele density within the population and an alteration of the wildtype phenotype. This IS evolution of a species.
Wolves have been selectively bred to become docile domesticated dogs, this is evolution.
The woodpecker most likely came from a bird that discovered picking into a tree to find bugs was good for survival. Then woodpecker behavior likely evolved to its present condition where its repeated pecking is the most efficent way of getting bugs. If you want to use the McDonalds example. Say all fo the sudden Madcow spreads throughout the world and the world's beef supply has become tainted. So now McDonalds only sells Chicken sandwiches. Essentially McDonalds has "evolved" into a chicken sandwich fast food place because of the "selective pressure" of tainted meat.
10,000 year is too little to observe large speciation events, especially at the level you're asking for. Yes evolution is a continual process but its a slow process that are interrupted by dramatic events that cause major changes (major extinctions).
And I'm STILL waiting for your scientific articles off pubmed that state all hominid fossils are NOT proof of evolution or are hoaxes
A wolf is still a wolf. Breeding it with a dog is not evolution. Ask Sigfried and Roy about domesticating tigers... that proves you wrong right there.
"The woodpecker most likely came..." most likely? Speculation. You said this is science fact. Let's see the facts, not your theories.
"Essentially McDonalds has "evolved" into a chicken sandwich fast food place because of the "selective pressure" of tainted meat."
That isn't evolution either. It's a temporary adjustment in the food supply.
"10,000 year is too little to observe large speciation events, especially at the level you're asking for."
Okay, show me celluar evolution. Show me how often a single cell evolves and mutates.
In my classes a cell has always been the same and still is today, yet they should be changing all the time and easily visiable under the microscope. Being that there's zillions of cells to study and their rapid rate of reproduction, we should be able to chart trillions of mutations, evolutions, whatever you change your story to next and show proof. Yet there isn't proof of this.
Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: Mo0o
The birds did not change, they event because of the drastic weather change that caused a massive shift in allele density within the population and an alteration of the wildtype phenotype. This IS evolution of a species.
Wolves have been selectively bred to become docile domesticated dogs, this is evolution.
The woodpecker most likely came from a bird that discovered picking into a tree to find bugs was good for survival. Then woodpecker behavior likely evolved to its present condition where its repeated pecking is the most efficent way of getting bugs. If you want to use the McDonalds example. Say all fo the sudden Madcow spreads throughout the world and the world's beef supply has become tainted. So now McDonalds only sells Chicken sandwiches. Essentially McDonalds has "evolved" into a chicken sandwich fast food place because of the "selective pressure" of tainted meat.
10,000 year is too little to observe large speciation events, especially at the level you're asking for. Yes evolution is a continual process but its a slow process that are interrupted by dramatic events that cause major changes (major extinctions).
And I'm STILL waiting for your scientific articles off pubmed that state all hominid fossils are NOT proof of evolution or are hoaxes
A wolf is still a wolf. Breeding it with a dog is not evolution. Ask Sigfried and Roy about domesticating tigers... that proves you wrong right there.
"The woodpecker most likely came..." most likely? Speculation. You said this is science fact. Let's see the facts, not your theories.
"Essentially McDonalds has "evolved" into a chicken sandwich fast food place because of the "selective pressure" of tainted meat."
That isn't evolution either. It's a temporary adjustment in the food supply.
"10,000 year is too little to observe large speciation events, especially at the level you're asking for."
Okay, show me celluar evolution. Show me how often a single cell evolves and mutates.
In my classes a cell has always been the same and still is today, yet they should be changing all the time and easily visiable under the microscope. Being that there's zillions of cells to study and their rapid rate of reproduction, we should be able to chart trillions of mutations, evolutions, whatever you change your story to next and show proof. Yet there isn't proof of this.
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Dirtboy, let's think about your math of human population rise for a second. So lets say your greatgrandparents 100 years ago. By your math thats... 10 generations? So your greatparents have single handily given rise to 1024 blood related offspring?
Originally posted by: So
Nobody is running in fear (well, except yourself). You have shown a staggering level of willful ignorance, poor reasoning, and made a plethora of embarrassingly wrong claims in the thread. If completely ignoring reality makes you comfortable, I guess we can't stop you.
Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Dirtboy, let's think about your math of human population rise for a second. So lets say your greatgrandparents 100 years ago. By your math thats... 10 generations? So your greatparents have single handily given rise to 1024 blood related offspring?
Change the math. Population numbers alone will continue to disprove evolution. Make people double every 1,000 years, you'll still find Earth stacked with humans and no room for your plants or animals.
Originally posted by: Mo0o
um... how do u think antibacterial resistance arises. thats cellular evolution.
Eukaryotes are still eukaryotes. Chordates are still chordates. Mammals are still mammals. Primates are still primates. None of this is a problem for evolution.Originally posted by: dirtboy
A wolf is still a wolf.
It has become obvious that you are woefully underqualified to reliably identify what is, or is not evolution.Breeding it with a dog is not evolution.
Really? How?Ask Sigfried and Roy about domesticating tigers... that proves you wrong right there.
I have shown you facts. You've chosen not to acknowledge them."The woodpecker most likely came..." most likely? Speculation. You said this is science fact. Let's see the facts, not your theories.
You do not know what evolution is."Essentially McDonalds has "evolved" into a chicken sandwich fast food place because of the "selective pressure" of tainted meat."
That isn't evolution either. It's a temporary adjustment in the food supply.
Cells don't evolve. Genes do mutate, however. All the time. Your genome has plenty mutations, for that matter.Okay, show me celluar evolution. Show me how often a single cell evolves and mutates.
You do not understand what evolution is.In my classes a cell has always been the same and still is today, yet they should be changing all the time and easily visiable under the microscope. Being that there's zillions of cells to study and their rapid rate of reproduction, we should be able to chart trillions of mutations, evolutions, whatever you change your story to next and show proof. Yet there isn't proof of this.
Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Dirtboy, let's think about your math of human population rise for a second. So lets say your greatgrandparents 100 years ago. By your math thats... 10 generations? So your greatparents have single handily given rise to 1024 blood related offspring?
Change the math. Population numbers alone will continue to disprove evolution. Make people double every 1,000 years, you'll still find Earth stacked with humans and no room for your plants or animals.
Originally posted by: randay
I just saw dirtboy evolve into a retard, thats all the proof I need!
Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: Mo0o
um... how do u think antibacterial resistance arises. thats cellular evolution.
Is this a new species?
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: Mo0o
um... how do u think antibacterial resistance arises. thats cellular evolution.
Is this a new species?
a species can evolve without speciation
Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: Mo0o
um... how do u think antibacterial resistance arises. thats cellular evolution.
Is this a new species?
Originally posted by: Arkitech
I kind agree with Dirtboy on this thread. I always wondered why (if evolution truly occured) are'nt we seeing various stages of it on a constant basis. If I'm not mistaken we have about 3000-4000 years of historical recordings from our ancestors and there has never been any mention or evidence of lifeforms that have evolved from one species into the next. There have been many examples of environmental adaptation but no solid examples of evolution in the sense of one type of life form changing into another.
Originally posted by: Arkitech
I kind agree with Dirtboy on this thread. I always wondered why (if evolution truly occured) are'nt we seeing various stages of it on a constant basis. If I'm not mistaken we have about 3000-4000 years of historical recordings from our ancestors and there has never been any mention or evidence of lifeforms that have evolved from one species into the next. There have been many examples of environmental adaptation but no solid examples of evolution in the sense of one type of life form changing into another.
Originally posted by: oldman420
Now now lets try to keep the flames to a minimum, surely we are all adult enough to civilly discus this somewhat heated topic.