Intelligent Opinions, Please... Re: China Hosting 2008 Olympic Games

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zzzz

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All those people who are pointing out at the human rights situation in China, did you protest when it was awarded to Australia because of the rampant racism and abuse of the aboriginals there?
 

d0ofy

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Bribes....now why couldn't I think of that. The IOC is known for some corruption.
 

GL

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I've just called up Vegas, and put $20 down on Iraq for the Olympics of 2012. I figure that with the IOC's logic, that since sanctions and isolationism isn't working to improve Iraq's situation, giving them the Olympics will. Anybody want to join in on the pool (sorry...I still have 20 minutes left in the day to be sarcastic and a bit of a sore loser)
 

XMan

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They had it in Germany during Hitler's reign, why not in China now?

Look up appeasement in your history book, kid. Germany was given the Olympics in hope that some recognition from the rest of the world tone down their burgeoning nationalism and agression. Obviously, it can't be called a success.
 

SSP

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<< Soviet Union was awarded Olympics for 1980. Seven months after they invaded Afghanistan.

Germany was awarded Olympics in 1936. Soon after they engulfed the world in war.

Let's hope Taiwan survives the Olympics!!!!!!!!!!!
>>




History is doomed to repeat it self.
 

dvda

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I'm going to have to say that this is a bad thing. China has done nothingto improve its abhorent record on human rights. They are persecuting a religious group called the Falun Gong and are still using prison labor and are still in Tibet.

While it is true that the Olympics have been hosted by Nazi Germany in 36 and by the USSR after the Afghanistan invasion these were mistakes and I feel that we should learn from them rather than repeat them.
 

iamfried

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I don't think China deserves it.
As far as China having a rich history, sure. All Chinese people that I have met have in fact been nice. (they didn't work for the Chinese govt.)
And you are right, all countries have something in their past that they are not proud of. The problem with this is, the human rights thing is not in their past, it is in their present and they don't care if it is something to be proud of or not. They do just do it.
Based on this, I don't think they deserve the riches that come with hosting the games.
MHO
 

pulse8

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<< They had it in Germany during Hitler's reign, why not in China now?

Look up appeasement in your history book, kid. Germany was given the Olympics in hope that some recognition from the rest of the world tone down their burgeoning nationalism and agression. Obviously, it can't be called a success.
>>



I never said it WAS a success.
 

iamfried

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The success that came out of it was some black guy showing Hitler that his theory of an elite race was a bunch of BS.
I am white btw
 

Pyro

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<<

<< Soviet Union was awarded Olympics for 1980. Seven months after they invaded Afghanistan.

Germany was awarded Olympics in 1936. Soon after they engulfed the world in war.

Let's hope Taiwan survives the Olympics!!!!!!!!!!!
>>




History is doomed to repeat it self.
>>



better stock up on RAM and motherboards during the olympics then
 

Elledan

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<< Before you rip down a fence, understand why it was put up in the first place. >>

Paranoia?
 

busmaster11

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I'm happy too. This can only help China and its human rights policy by putting it under a larger microscope. I hate the Chinese government; it seems as though everyone including Zhu Rongju and Jiang are all lame ducks... They're waiting for something big to come along and sweep away the fragile commie system. People doubt democracy is coming to China, but I think its inevitable, even if it'll take a decade or more.
 

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This is a country that does anything and everything to keep their population in line, free speech comes with a price for these people, the price is their life and extensive torture...

They should not even be recognized as a nation, much less be allowed to hold the OS, which were started so that the world would settle down peacefully and compete instead of killing eachother...

What do you think the OS will be like in china? The demonstrants will be silenced and buried before any camera can ever catch their protests...

That is what i think about china...

Patrick
 

Cheese78CA

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<< Look up appeasement in your history book, kid. Germany was given the Olympics in hope that some recognition from the rest of the world tone down their burgeoning nationalism and agression. Obviously, it can't be called a success. >>



The awarding of the 2008 Olympics to China is supposed to have a similar appeasement affect. The Chinese government fed their citizens so much propganda on top of recent events that the nationalist sentiment is boiling there. Point in case, the downing of the American spy plane.
 

damocles

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Personally i am glad they got the games.

let's see if they can live up to it, i really hope they do
 

FriedToast

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I'm glad that they got it. You can fuss all you want. But if you ever visit there (yes, I have- spent the summer of '94 there), then you'd know that Chinese people are just as nice and as wonderful of people as anywhere else on this little planet of ours. Don't THEY deserve a chance to see the Olympics? Maybe some of the people there will get a taste of interacting with foreigners and see that we're not all so bad. There are bad stereotypes that go both ways. I'm all for something like this. Although I can't see the average Chinese person being able to get into the games. But at least it'll be exposure. It's a start.

HappyKitten, if I win the lottery anytime soon, I'm buying tickets and we're going to see the Olympics And anyone that disagrees doesn't have to read the post when we get back



Note to self: Buy lottery tickets tomorrow!
 

OS

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T Square, political and ideological oppression, forcible organ harvesting of criminals, saber rattling at Taiwan, hostile take over of Tibet. . .


Oh yes, lets hold the olympics there.
 

Pyro

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<< I'm glad that they got it. You can fuss all you want. But if you ever visit there (yes, I have- spent the summer of '94 there), then you'd know that Chinese people are just as nice and as wonderful of people as anywhere else on this little planet of ours. Don't THEY deserve a chance to see the Olympics? Maybe some of the people there will get a taste of interacting with foreigners and see that we're not all so bad. There are bad stereotypes that go both ways. I'm all for something like this. Although I can't see the average Chinese person being able to get into the games. But at least it'll be exposure. It's a start.

HappyKitten, if I win the lottery anytime soon, I'm buying tickets and we're going to see the Olympics And anyone that disagrees doesn't have to read the post when we get back



Note to self: Buy lottery tickets tomorrow!
>>




oh sure, the people deserve it, but does their government? No.

 

FettsBabe

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The Chinese Gov. doesn't deserve the olympics, but the people of the world do. I honestly believe that the Chinese people are extremely nice and the youth of tomorrow does believe in capitalism, but we have to wait on the youth to make the changes that China so desperately needs to make. I wish it would be sooner, but I don't think it will happen in 7 years although it would be nice.

I don't see how we can send Olympians to compete in a country that violates human rights the way China does. While every country isn't perfect, and I know the USA has it faults, but I do believe that the Olympic spirit doesn't intell such acts. I would hope that in the future the committee makes a better decision as to who hosts the olympics. Canada really had my vote.

 

Aquaman

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Eventhough Toronto lost, I'm glad that Beijing gets a chance to host the Olympics. To me it should be all about sports even though the process of picking a city is political. We (Canada) still get two more kicks at the can in 2010 (Vancouver/Whistler) and 2012 (Toronto maybe).

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

kxy

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For those of you who is against China hosting the olympics, I was on the the boat with you untill I read this in the email. Below is an portion of the email from &quot;Dave Kindred: Feelings from the heart: reflections from Beijing&quot;

Today's column is an answer of sorts to Monday's, in which I said it was sad that the Olympic Games have been awarded to a government that massacred hundreds, maybe thousands, of its own citizens at Tiananmen Square only 12 years ago.

Sportingnews.com reader Hiep Tran wrote me, &quot;From a Western perspective, it's very easy to say China shouldn't get the Games, that this whole thing is just a government-orchestrated parade. However, there are 1 billion people all across China who are absolutely ecstatic about the fact that they got the Olympics. A friend of mine who is currently studying abroad in China just sent me an email that I've included for your reading.&quot;

That email is from Jason Chang, a student at Cal-Berkeley now studying at China-Beishida University.

It's a look from the inside of China that is optimistic, happy and illuminating.

Chang's email to Tran, who gave me permission to reprint it:

&quot;I guess there's no way I can escape writing a log about China winning the Olympics for 2008 while studying abroad in Beijing. For all you isolated Americans back in sunny California, I must say that being in Beijing to witness firsthand what hosting the Olympics means to the
people was such a fascinating experience that I couldn't sleep tonight without writing this log.

&quot;I encountered the announcement of Olympics 2008 in Beijing on a small 20-inch television in a local McDonald's near Beishida University.
Around 7 p.m. that day, all my floormates decided to take a cab to Tiananmen Square to witness the official Olympics 2008 announcement.

&quot;I, on the other hand, decided to skip out on the excursion to downtown. Rather, I hopped on my $10 bike and started pedaling aimlessly. From big streets to local alleyways, I was en route to the most grass-roots Olympics celebration I could find.

&quot;To my surprise, I found hundreds of people crowded in a McDonald's -- Big Mac in one hand, Bai shi ke le (Pepsi) in the other, eyes fixed
to a dinky little television set, all anxiously awaiting the announcement of the 2008 Olympics.

&quot;There were probably 100 people standing outside the McDonald's, just loitering or smoking. The rest were inside -- packed like sardines --
awaiting a milkshake and the Olympics in 2008.

&quot;I parked my bike, locked it up, and decided to join my sardine brothers and sisters inside. With a strawberry milkshake in one hand and a curious set of eyes, I joined in on the festivities, blending right in with all the Chinese people.

&quot;The announcement came like a sudden surge of energy. After anticipating the Olympic announcement for quite a few hours, I forgot about the moment, sat down at one of those ubiquitous plastic McDonald tables and then the screaming suddenly occurred.

&quot;The screaming came first from the 50 or so people crowded in front of the television set. Then, a few seconds later, the scream of 50 or so people in front of a crowded television set turned into a deep roar, a roar that felt like it spanned for thousands of miles. The roar came from outside, the roar came from the elderly as well as the young. The roar was accompanied with screams, tears, and a soft-core mosh pit. The roar lasted for about five minutes.

&quot;I stepped outside to watch the fireworks from Tiananmen blast into the sky. The moment I stepped outside, I could feel the ecstasy of 1.2 billion people. The roar filled the skies, tingling my nerves, giving me goose bumps. It is amazing how much the hosting of the Olympics means to the people of China.

&quot;Curiously fascinated and a little shocked, all I had to do was look at individual expressions of each person in that McDonald's restaurant
to realize that hosting the Olympics wasn't some communist-manifested, government-supported policy. It's easy to get confused with what it
means to be a Chinese citizen as opposed to a citizen of China.

&quot;Amidst the clouds of official opinions and government-controlled media, I took a look at the four college kids standing next to me -- one teary-eyed, another jumping up and down, the others hugging each other -- and it dawned on me how special hosting the Olympics means to the people of China.

&quot;Enveloped in a radius of commotion, one lone Chinese-American stands still, watching observantly, slowly trying to understand what this
feeling is that he's feeling deep inside. Sure, I'm happy for the Beijing Olympics. Sure, it's nice to be in the middle of a billion happy people. But fashionably poised as a foreigner in disguise, somewhere in between the plastic garbage can and the ghetto fake-oak television set, stood me -- a confused Chinese-American looking through a distorted mirror.

&quot;Maybe I am a little racist. If so, I would like to apologize for my racism. But I am too proud to be Chinese to end racism. There is an essence within me that is utterly Chinese -- something I don't think I can ever escape. It is difficult to explain it in words, and it doesn't exist as a digital picture I can send to you guys over the internet. Somehow by observing the Chinese people in that McDonald's, I felt like I saw a little bit of myself. Each tear that whiplashed to the floor, each smile that flashed my way, each cheer that uttered
&quot;wei!&quot; . . . I saw myself.

&quot;So now picture the camera of my life zooming out slowly, the focus slowly shifts from the lone, quietly observant, mildly confused
Chinese-American to a bird's eye view of Beijing. First out of McDonald's and then ending my story in the midst of a nationwide celebration with a grandiose image of the city of Beijing -- smothered with ant-sized people cheering and roaring -- I see my Chinese-ness on the rise.

&quot;Beijing Olympics 2008, here we come.&quot;
 

ElFenix

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lets ignore their human rights record... lets take a look at what they do in the olympics. the chinese team dopes more than even the east germans did. just look at them. its a disgrace to the olympics, takes away all the competition. with the chicomms, it is not simply a game.

never before has a populace looked so happy about hosting a track meet. appearances deceive.
 

rc5

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Come on, guys. It's only a game, why must you link EVERYTHING with politics?
 
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