Intel is Doomed.
And not to forget: Next year nVidia will have Tegra 4i on the market in real devices. So there is no room for another cpu architecture until Intel gets there modem ready. Until then nVidia and Qualcom have the whole market for them.
In the tablet and low end market A15 will rule everything in the same power consumption room. Tegra 4 is nearly 3x faster than Clover Trail and 33% slower than the IB in the Surface Pro (Geekbench, Sunspider, Kraken).
I don't see a future for ATOM.
Intel won't be in serious play for another 12-18 months. 22 nm Atom should give them a keep-alive. It is what comes after Silvermont and Valleyview that should concern everyone.
With 14nm Airmont things should truly get interesting. A lot depends on how the migration to newer nodes works out at TSMC and Samsung. The foundry gap could increase, stay the same or decrease. We'll see.
After mistreating Atom like unloved stepchild Intel are finally throwing everything they have behind it. I think a lot of people will (re)learn in the next 24 months why Intel are called Chipzilla. It is going to be interesting, for sure. Great news for us consumers.
haha this is the same thing that comes into my mind when I see "Atom". Those stupid Dell netbooks that performed like a 486 without the turbo on.
The competition will kick in, we will benefit for sure and that is great. For phones and tablets. I am pretty sure we will see some impressive numbers. The current Atom line is worthless on the market.
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I simply ask, who is going to buy the new Atoms?, secondly what is the profit for Intel here?.
I'm typing this on a current-gem Atom tablet. Unless Haswell (or competitive AMD chip, if it exists) ends up passively cooled, I will be buying a next-gen Atom tablet. And I bet a lot of other people will too.
Having a light, passively cooled x86 machine is really really awesome. The biggest issue I see so far with the 22nm Atoms is that the brand is pretty damaged.
486 without the turbo on
Why ignore Temash when it will be out in a couple of months and will destroy any Atom or ARM based tablet? That seems rather silly to me.
... whether it supports S0ix. Having used an x86 device that supports this ...
I specifically said I'd consider and AMD chip if it was competitive.
But Temash does not exist yet, and I still haven't heard anything on whether it supports S0ix. Having used an x86 device that supports this, I honestly wouldn't want to give it up. The boost in battery life is amazing, and not having tto deal with the lags and idiosyncrasies of S3 is nice too.
CURRENT gen Atom supports S0ix ?!? AFAIK It's only Haswell and presumably Silvermont.
No, you specifically said, "Unless Haswell (or competitive AMD chip, if it exists) ends up passively cooled, I will be buying a next-gen Atom tablet. And I bet a lot of other people will too."
Temash isn't a Haswell competitor, it's an Atom competitor, both of which will cost a fraction of the price of Haswell or Kaveri.
Temash does exist, and will be released in a couple of months, before Haswell and Silvermont. Also S0ix is nowhere near important in the tablet segment as it is in the phone segment. Phones are primarily communication devices, tablets aren't and don't need to be always connected. As for the boost in battery life, there is no boost in battery life at all when compared to S3, just a couple of seconds saved from having to reconnect.
You are being pedantic, I didn't mention Temash by name because I couldn't remember the codename. I said if an AMD chip was competitive and was able to be passively cooled I would consider it.
I think S0ix is very important. First of all, S01x can be active WHILE you are actively using the machine (so there is a boost to battery life), and second, when you have the ability to quickly enter-and-exit low-power modes you tend to do it more often. I was playing with a Surface Pro and while its sleep/wake performance was admirable, you could still tell it was entering and exiting S3, as opposed to my ATIV and every ARM-based tablet/phone where it feels like you are just turning the screen on and off. I have toggled my tablet quickly to check the time before. This is just not something you could do without S0ix. Is it required? Of course not. We survived without it until recently. But in order to get my money it is a feature I want.
Finally, I would argue that Haswell and Atom, and Temash ARE competitors. Certainly they are not direct competitors (very different price brackets) but I've known people who got rid of their computers(!) after buying iPhones. It's hard to argue that computation devices are not competitors to each other, regardless of differences in price and performance. In my case, I want a passively cooled tablet that I can ink on (preferably using wacom technology, but it must be active).
I'm not going to buy a Haswell, Temash, and Atom tablet. I am going to buy the one that best suits my needs.
Why ignore Temash when it will be out in a couple of months and will destroy any Atom or ARM based tablet? That seems rather silly to me.
S0ix is a nice feature that will probably become a standard feature on x86 eventually, but would you honesty trade greater performance for a reduced time to wake up? I wouldn't make that trade on anything but a smartphone.
I don't think I was being pedantic. You specifically said Haswell competitor which Temash isn't - that's Kaveri.
S0ix is a nice feature that will probably become a standard feature on x86 eventually, but would you honesty trade greater performance for a reduced time to wake up? I wouldn't make that trade on anything but a smartphone.
Most people are severely limited by a budget and would in no way see a $1000 tablet as competition to a $300 tablet. The $1000 tablet wouldn't even be considered by most people. Haswell only competes with Atom in the minds of those with more money than sense.
Well, if your need is to wake the system as quickly as possible, then that rules Temash out. If that's not a need, then it comes down to performance and price. Temash can run Dirt Showdown in 1080p, will Silvermont have such performance? We'll know the price of Temash tablets in a couple of months. Are you expecting Silvermont tablets to be significantly cheaper?
You are conveniently ignoring the fact that it achieves greatly more battery life. And that's what the "average people" you are talking about cares more about than playing "Dirt Showdown" at 1080p or whatever.
I care most about good enough Office performance, web browsing, and battery life. For everything else, I have a non-power constrained desktop.
Do current tablets not provide that?
Would a tablet that can run PC games in 1080p provide good enough performance?
Would a 5W SoC not offer better battery life than a 20W APU?
It sounds to me like you're dismissing Temash as being too powerful and power hungry for a tablet, while at the same time considering Haswell as a possible match for your needs. Seems rather strange to me.
I'm typing this on a current-gem Atom tablet. Unless Haswell (or competitive AMD chip, if it exists) ends up passively cooled, I will be buying a next-gen Atom tablet. And I bet a lot of other people will too.
Having a light, passively cooled x86 machine is really really awesome. The biggest issue I see so far with the 22nm Atoms is that the brand is pretty damaged.
Not sure what you are trying to say here. Clover Trail's TDP is less than 2W isn't it?
I'm not ignoring that. We simply don't know yet what Temash's battery life will be like. What we do know is that Temash will be better than Bobcat based APU's in this area according to AMD. Hopefully, we'll get some more details in a day or two.
Also, I didn't say anyone cared about playing Dirt Showdown at 1080p on their tablets, I used that as an example to show how powerful Temash is.
Err. Intel make CPUs not batteries.Everyone is talking about lower power cpu. How about the battery? Is anyone look into the batteries? Can the quality and higher capacity be improve on the battery in smaller and lighter form factor?
Again, forget everything you know about "power management advances". Those that support this feature and those that don't will have a unbridgeable gap. The 10-inch Atom Z2760(Clover Trail) Tablet we have in the house uses less power playing 1080p Youtube videos, than a 5-inch Atom MID I have in Idle, despite the fact that they have similar TDP levels.
Err. Intel make CPUs not batteries.
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