Intel's MWC announcements...disappointing

[Maragark]

Its irrelevant in the big picture. The "new power management scheme" I'm talking about addresses the whole platform, while Temash will do more of the same they did in the previous generation - cut power in the CPU side which is already very very small.

We don't know yet whether Temash will offer something similar to s0ix. At this point, it's simply a likely assumption that they won't but it isn't a certainty. They've got a demo coming up at the MWC though so hopefully we'll learn a few more details very soon.

 

[NTMBK]

Its irrelevant in the big picture. The "new power management scheme" I'm talking about addresses the whole platform, while Temash will do more of the same they did in the previous generation - cut power in the CPU side which is already very very small.

Also, you forget that Temash makes plenty of other improvements in power usage. It's an SoC, moving the FCH off the motherboard and integrating it into the main die (hence at the much smaller 28nm node). Big power savings to be had there- consider that the Hondo mainly got its power savings by disabling parts of the Bobcat FCH.

 

[krumme]

With Temash you can have your cake and eat it - for next to nothing. With the docking station we will even have like i3 performance with IB gfx. performance, working as fanless in tablet mode albeit at lower performance. Probably never putting the fans to work working with the station for normal office work.

Its a blast compared to the current generation Atom. Its so much stronger we will see benchmarking reviews, where single thread performance is compared to i3, graphics to nvidia 650, power to lowest end Atom, and cost to ARM. And then the reviewers can then conclude we can safely wait for next year because the next Atom is going to be so wonderfull and on 14nm. Excactly the same as happened with bobcat. Still it will sell like hotcakes. Excactly like bobcat, just twice as much.

 

[Exophase]

With Temash you can have your cake and eat it - for next to nothing. With the docking station we will even have like i3 performance with IB gfx. performance, working as fanless in tablet mode albeit at lower performance. Probably never putting the fans to work working with the station for normal office work.

Sure, you'll have i3-like performance if said i3 is Sandy Bridge, locked at 1.4GHz (no turbo), and the test is highly parallel. I think that needs to be qualified, because that doesn't apply to many workloads and that doesn't apply to most i3s people will want to compare against..

 

[krumme]

Sure, you'll have i3-like performance if said i3 is Sandy Bridge, locked at 1.4GHz (no turbo), and the test is highly parallel. I think that needs to be qualified, because that doesn't apply to many workloads and that doesn't apply to most i3s people will want to compare against..

Agree who cares about unzipping files, but the point was also, the comparison and benchmarking was invalid and stupid. But we will see lots of idiotic benchmark where temash/kabini is compared like described.

 

[Exophase]

Agree who cares about unzipping files, but the point was also, the comparison and benchmarking was invalid and stupid. But we will see lots of idiotic benchmark where temash/kabini is compared like described.

The comparison was Cinebench, or are you referring to something else?

It's not that it's wholly invalid, it's just something one needs to know the context for when determining what relevance it has to them..

I think one of the reasons Bobcat systems got benchmarked against higher end platforms is because you could hardly find 1.6+GHz versions in anything approaching 11" or below, and even Ontario didn't show up in a lot of small netbooks and particularly not in tablets. Here's hoping OEMs put Jaguar in products where it makes sense.

 

[LogOver]

With Temash you can have your cake and eat it - for next to nothing. With the docking station we will even have like i3 performance with IB gfx. performance, working as fanless in tablet mode albeit at lower performance. Probably never putting the fans to work working with the station for normal office work.

Its a blast compared to the current generation Atom. Its so much stronger we will see benchmarking reviews, where single thread performance is compared to i3, graphics to nvidia 650, power to lowest end Atom, and cost to ARM. And then the reviewers can then conclude we can safely wait for next year because the next Atom is going to be so wonderfull and on 14nm. Excactly the same as happened with bobcat. Still it will sell like hotcakes. Excactly like bobcat, just twice as much.

Wait a second... I think I already heard something like this... just recently... Yep, that was said about Hondo (just before intro). Till now we has only one tablet based on Hondo priced >$1000 and no one actually knows performance and battery life of it.

 

[NTMBK]

Wait a second... I think I already heard something like this... just recently... Yep, that was said about Hondo (just before intro). Till now we has only one tablet based on Hondo priced >$1000 and no one actually knows performance and battery life of it.

People were claiming that Hondo would have single threaded performance equal to an i3? People were stupid, then. It was the same chip as the C-60, just with a reduced power chipset... I don't think anyone had very high expectations for it.

 

[IntelUser2000]

What was the Atom in that MID- and more importantly, what was its chipset? Those early Atoms are notorious for having desktop chipsets which use more power than the actual processor, whereas Clover Trail is an SoC.

Atom Z520. That means it uses a power efficient US15W chipset, with TDP of 2.3W, and it has both North and South bridge functions. Those that claim that Atom used power hungry desktop chipset ignore the "Z" line, which does have a chipset that matches the CPU.

Anyway, TDP is irrelevant in idle loads.

About the SoC post:

You'll see some savings, but a fraction of implementing the new one. And yes we know that Jaguar cores stick with the old power management tech as they still tout about "C7".

 

[fixbsod]

QFT!! This is why I've always been a fan. Tho they do have trouble naming CPUs -- went from x86 to Pentium, then II, then III, then 4 now we're back to numbers, just more cryptic. i7-4770k? how awesome!

They are getting serious in the Intel way. Slowly, but then with overwhelming force and engineering spend.