Intel's response to RyZen.

[lolfail9001]

Skylake-X is a enthusiast platform chip that's a derivative of server Skylake. Do I think Intel views work it to sacrifice server for niche market in a niche market? That is for extremely expensive HEDT chips? No.

Skylake-X is actually an enthusiast version of Skylake-W, isn't it? The Server Skylake is now, for all intents and purposes, separate from HEDT. Aside from core itself, that is.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Skylake-X is actually an enthusiast version of Skylake-W, isn't it? The Server Skylake is now, for all intents and purposes, separate from HEDT. Aside from core itself, that is.

Yes, but core can't be different. Even the dual core chips which have a separate die from the quad core ones are just cut down ones from their biggest. It's part of the reason an iGPU exist on the top 7700K like CPUs.

Here's what I mean. Totally separate dies are time consuming so they make one:
*4 CPU cores plus 72 EU "GT4", or 4+4
*No one buys the GT4 configuration so the next part sells, which is 4+3, but that isn't popular either so one after that is 4+2
*Cut the part in design and make a new die. 4+2 are basically high end mainstream parts
*2+3 has its use so they take the original design and cut the chip by 2 cores and GPU by 1, which becomes new die
*2+2 is low cost so they make a other one.

Finally if they want anything lower like 2+1 or 1+2 they take salvaged parts with deactivated cores. The die size is too small to really bother making a new die.

But server Skylake is anything but a derivative, and so is PC Skylake. Adding L2 cache which is very close to the core, or adding AVX512 is a significant layout change. Even the 1.375MB per core L3 cache is a layout change. Either SKL-X is PC Skylake with 256KB L2 and AVX256 or server Skylake with 1MB L2 and AVX512.

 

[jpiniero]

Skylake-X/W is using the Server cores, but it has one big difference - "only" quad channel memory instead of six. But I'd have to think it also means that the dies aren't interchangeable.

Companies are extremely reluctant to release specs nowadays due to competitive pressure. Releasing info about SKL-X means much info about their server line being released. I guess they want to keep that a secret.

Skylake Server's release is imminent so I don't think that is a big deal. Google announced on Friday that they will let people use it on their cloud soon.

 

[Arachnotronic]

But server Skylake is anything but a derivative, and so is PC Skylake. Adding L2 cache which is very close to the core, or adding AVX512 is a significant layout change. Even the 1.375MB per core L3 cache is a layout change. Either SKL-X is PC Skylake with 256KB L2 and AVX256 or server Skylake with 1MB L2 and AVX512.

SKX-X is the server Skylake, 1MB L2, AVX-512, and I believe significant enhancements to cache bandwidth to support AVX-512, similar to what we saw with Haswell in support of AVX2.

 

[otinane]

Intel's response to Ryzen?

Here we go (again):

 

[JDG1980]

Intel's response to Ryzen?

Here we go (again):

That last line doesn't give me a lot of confidence in this anonymous poster.

 

[A///]

The problem for Intel here is they think like it's 2000. If independent reviewers or even ones sponsored by Intel frame Ryzen to be a failure, but it turns out it's not when people who bought the chips share their own tale, then it's going to blow back hard on both these reviewers but also Intel.

It's 2017. Our lives are very much connected. In 2000-2004, the internet wasn't available in a lot of households and social media was some dinky forum that didn't see much traffic. Even if you go into old Ars discussions from those days you'll see people bashing Intel because the Athlon 64 was the clearly superior product. That stuff won't fly in this day and age. Some of the better channels on YouTube will see a mass exodus of subscribers because they falsified data to keep their precious sponsorship. No sponsorship will cover the loss in thousands of dollars they get from ads and views.

 

[Crumpet]

Maybe through shady business practices and a lot of media misinformation.......

Or are they passed that now?

And there was me thinking I was making a joke.

 

[Arachnotronic]

That last line doesn't give me a lot of confidence in this anonymous poster.

Yup, the anti-semitism really blew this guy's credibility. Not cool.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Don't worry guys, Francois Piednoel is holding all the Aces, just ask him about it on Twitter.

 

[ddarko]

Intel's response: price cuts?

http://www.microcenter.com/category/4294966995,4294964566/intel_processors

 

[Teizo]

Intel's response: price cuts?

http://www.microcenter.com/category/4294966995,4294964566/intel_processors

Well, that is nice to see. Doesn't help me now though, but at least that is a price more inline with what it should be.

-edit-

Amazon has it for $339....but you better hurry up and buy it on sale at Newegg...The sale goes off Wednesday as prices will go up....

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117726

Sarcasm times 1 million. That is no sale and price won't budge. Just marketing crap. Holy cow Newegg really has lost it's way.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Intel's response: price cuts?

http://www.microcenter.com/category/4294966995,4294964566/intel_processors

These need to be bigger...and implemented outside of microcenter. Current BDW-E prices are just not competitive.

 

[jpiniero]

Intel's response: price cuts?

http://www.microcenter.com/category/4294966995,4294964566/intel_processors

Microcenter's had prices around that every once in awhile. It's also in-store only.

 

[tamz_msc]

Intel's response: price cuts?

http://www.microcenter.com/category/4294966995,4294964566/intel_processors

LOL they are marking up the 6900K to 1.2k and selling it at 1k. Some price cut I say.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Intel's response: price cuts?

http://www.microcenter.com/category/4294966995,4294964566/intel_processors

That isn't intel's response. That is the response of the retailers trying to move product before the demand drops.

 

[tamz_msc]

That isn't intel's response. That is the response of the retailers trying to move product before the demand drops.

Yeah, by offering 'discounts' on marked-up prices.

 

[eddiechi]

"
Intel Kaby Lake, Skylake and Haswell Processors Get Massive Price Cuts By Retailers – Team Blue Beginning To Feel The Imminent Threat of AMD Ryzen Processors"

 

[CentroX]

Everyone linking wccftech again. They always win.

 

[Crumpet]

 

[Arachnotronic]

I thought competition was good for the consumer? Isn't lower prices/incentives exactly what competition should drive?

 

[Crumpet]

I thought competition was good for the consumer? Isn't lower prices/incentives exactly what competition should drive?

"Special promotions and incentive rebates" are what cost them 1 billion and 1.4 billion respectively in the past....

 

[.vodka]

There are ways to do things, some better than others. Price cuts are ok, "exclusivity" and fearmongering isn't, especially when you're the 800lb gorilla in the room.


They did this crap back in the day and got punished for it, I can't believe they are willing to try the same crap again in this day and age.

 

[tamz_msc]

"
Intel Kaby Lake, Skylake and Haswell Processors Get Massive Price Cuts By Retailers – Team Blue Beginning To Feel The Imminent Threat of AMD Ryzen Processors"

No they aren't. Microcenter is giving discounts on marked up prices. The i7 7700K is not supposed to be 380$(before discount) as listed on their website.

 

[eddiechi]

That isn't intel's response. That is the response of the retailers trying to move product before the demand drops.

Microcenter routinely plays the pricing games but not to this degree..... I am at Microcenter about 3x's a week but mostly to take advantage of their notorious in store pricing mistakes...

That is just the first chip to fall........ resale values of most Intel chips took a hit overnight......

Once independent reviews come out on Thurs and people(casual enthusiasts) verify the stories of 1 click overclock topping Intels best more chips will fall quickly ....... Price War has started, curious to see how long it takes Intel to move.....