Yawn, a zero-content dismissive post that adds nothing but truisms to the discussion
1080P, yawn.
At 1440P or 4K, the GPU becomes far more important. More cores would have even less of an effect.
So when will its best be released?
Saying that is a bit of a cop-out in the electronics market!!
If we have to wait 6+ months for Skylake-X (KL stepping) then someone could turn around and say AMD's best has not been released yet, Zen+ is "only" 6 months away.
I'd reckon its fair to use that excuse if your waiting <3 months.
I wonder what Intel could have done if they were stuck on an inferior node for five years. The best of Intel is yet to come? Is it going to leapfrog SL/KL so that AMD plays catch-up for another five years? Wishful thinking.
yep lets see how well a $1500 USD skylake-X's sells...................
And when we know how SL-X performs...Let me know when Intel or AMD releases sales numbers for any of their CPUs.
So what does Ryzen do to Intel's big plans to finally give the mainstream 6 cores? Sounds like that plan is tossed out the window now, right? Who wants an expensive 6 core when they can get an 8 core Zen for the same or less? Not to mention by the time coffee lake comes out, 6 cores on the main stream will be really old news by then. I think Intel has no response. I think they will still charge a ton of money for their 8 core parts and only available on the expensive, bloated HEDT platform.
AMD matching and even beating Intel is not impressive to some people? Doing so with a tiny fraction of Intel's budget on an inferior node is an incredibly impressive feat of engineering. If that doesn't impress you almost nothing will. Also I recall being told over and over again that competition is not required for Intel to continue innovating and staying on the bleeding edge. I almost started to believe it.
Intel will no doubt respond and we will all be better for it. Hail competition.
In Cinebench the consensus is that quad-channel has no perceptible advantage over dual-channel.It's interesting that the x99 systems at the AMD event only populated two memory channels.
How dependent on memory bandwidth is Broadwell-E?
GF will have 7nm in mass production by mid 2018. So AMD can perfectly have a late launch that year on that process node. Just to clarify some people saying that they won't have access to 7nm until 2020 ( when GF has scheduled 5nm ).
AMD matching and even beating Intel is not impressive to some people? Doing so with a tiny fraction of Intel's budget on an inferior node is an incredibly impressive feat of engineering.
It's almost as if some people don't want innovation fueled change. They'd rather be happy in stagnation.
I would fully agree with you about budget, however is really GlobalFoundries process inferior?
By adding 12 core CPU to Skylake-X lineup, Intel basically maintains very high margin on highest end part. 1700+$ 7950X will be 12 C/24T. 1099$ will be 10C/20T. 8C/16T - 599$, 6C/12T - 399$.
They have single threaded performance lead with Skylake, they still can maintain high margin prices, for their parts. From marketing point of view, countering both ends, its a masterpiece from Intel.
By adding 12 core CPU to Skylake-X lineup, Intel basically maintains very high margin on highest end part. 1700+$ 7950X will be 12 C/24T. 1099$ will be 10C/20T. 8C/16T - 599$, 6C/12T - 399$.
They have single threaded performance lead with Skylake, they still can maintain high margin prices, for their parts. From marketing point of view, countering both ends, its a masterpiece from Intel.
The 'war' between Intel and AMD has more or less ended. AMD will compete with some of Intel's product segments, but many segments will remain unopposed. Intel might lose some money, but Intel won't be massively affected.
Intel's problem is fundamentally itself. Intel is a large and profitable organization that has stagnated. Due to this stagnation they throw money at things that don't produce new knowledge/IP or ROI. Intel's graphics for example have only marginally improved, yet they add significant cost to Intel processors and take up significant space. Larrabee was an opportunity to bring needed improvement to their graphics, but gave up on it early. Intel Atom had great potential however Intel wasted the potential of it by subsidizing it rather than spending the money on improving it. Intel acquired companies like McAfee for no good reason. Intel has wasted money on 'diversity and inclusiveness' programs, which produce nothing for the company. Tech companies like Intel already are 'diverse' and have people from around the world, spending money on it for the sake of is not a good use of shareholders money. Intel is a company with lots of resources which it squanders rather than putting to good use. Intel is like that smart kid who has lots of potential but wastes it and ends up doing drugs and partying instead. Finally with Windows on ARM, ARM Chromebooks, ARM Linux Computers, Apple potentially adopting ARM, and ARM server Processors Intel has a challenger even bigger than AMD.
Intel isn't doomed, but unless they can find direction they will continue to stagnate and eventually decline.
Signed,
Signed disgruntled former Intel shareholder.
Also of note
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3022...three-pillarsand-the-pc-isnt-one-of-them.html
The latest info on Intel Skylake-X is https://benchlife.info/intel-will-not-announce-skylake-x-kaby-lake-x-with-x299-in-computex-01222017/However, I have seen nothing of 12C24T Skylake-X so this is most likely a pipedream.
And when we know how SL-X performs...
So what does Ryzen do to Intel's big plans to finally give the mainstream 6 cores? Sounds like that plan is tossed out the window now, right? Who wants an expensive 6 core when they can get an 8 core Zen for the same or less? Not to mention by the time coffee lake comes out, 6 cores on the main stream will be really old news by then. I think Intel has no response. I think they will still charge a ton of money for their 8 core parts and only available on the expensive, bloated HEDT platform.
The latest info on Intel Skylake-X is https://benchlife.info/intel-will-not-announce-skylake-x-kaby-lake-x-with-x299-in-computex-01222017/
The 6, 8, and 10-core models carry the K suffix, leaving the X yet to be used (possibly a 12-core). Still no concrete info though.
If it had edram, I think it would cost way too much.It could have edram like broadwell and clock(over) higher than kaby? We know that skylake likes fast ram, quad channel might give a few notches as well?
I think so as well. I think Intel is bringing out CL early. It's probably ready to go.It could have edram like broadwell and clock(over) higher than kaby? We know that skylake likes fast ram, quad channel might give a few notches as well?
- I think maybe Coffeelake *is* Intels counter to Ryzen
I have a 4790K now. I kind of want to wait a few more months and see what develops with Intel. By then we should have the rest of AMD's lineup, too.
But...the itch to build something is getting strong...
I think so as well. I think Intel is bringing out CL early. It's probably ready to go.
However, it's supposed to have a new chipset.
I expect some leaks soon.
Plus it is almost a physical impossibility. 128 MB EDRAM below (Haswell) :If it had edram, I think it would cost way too much.
The leaks have CL as 1H18, but moved to 2H17 now.I don't think Coffee Lake is done TBH. Cannonlake yes but of course that's DC mobile only and the fabs may not be ready yet.
They where talking about architecture its an assumption that it also means process. Just like CON cores each new chip/soc was a uarch refresh they moved form 32nm SOI to 28nm bulk in there as well.A more salient point is that AMD has specifically stated that Zen will be "Tock, tock, tock" i.e. 4 years on 14nm.
http://wccftech.com/amd-zen-ryzen-naples-processors-four-years-roadmap/
Jim Anderson, senior vice president and general manager of AMD’s Computing and Graphics business, told PCWorld “We’re not going tick-tock,” he said. “Zen is going to be tock, tock, tock.”
So regardless of when GloFo's 7nm comes out, AMD is planning on putting Zen++ on 14nm anyway.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3155...hitecture-is-expected-to-last-four-years.htmlWhile Anderson’s responsible for bringing Ryzen to market—“you don’t have any idea how many hours I and my team have spent on this,” Anderson said—it’s Papermaster who has to think of the future. When asked how long Zen would last, compared to Intel’s two-year tick-tock cadence, Papermaster confirmed the four-year lifespan and tapped the table in front of him: “We’re not going tick-tock,” he said. “Zen is going to be tock, tock, tock.”