Intel's response to RyZen.

[DrMrLordX]

Sometimes things can be too cheap, though.

Yup. AMD has to cope with their own price strategies in the future when they launch Zen+ and beyond. It'll take awhile for them to command the kind of margins they did in the FX/x2 days, when a top-end chip could fetch $1k or so.

You gave me an idea: maybe Intel should accuse AMD for dumping prices?/s

Depends, is AMD using a payback/subsidy program to (effectively) dump hardware at below cost of manufacture? We all know who actually did that . . . don't we?

 

[Conroe]

There was a time when AMD set the prices. I thought they were overpriced too.
http://www.legitreviews.com/the-amd-athlon-64-x2-3800-processor-review_226
At the time a ran both in my F@H farm.

AMD got Conroed, and now it's time for them to return the favor.
It's about time.

 

[AMDisTheBEST]

No they aren't. Microcenter is giving discounts on marked up prices. The i7 7700K is not supposed to be 380$(before discount) as listed on their website.

You do know i7 6700k now costs $270 on microcenter right? How much have you paid for i7 before this year?

 

[jihe]

That was 11 years ago. How about something a little more current?

It was the last time AMD was competitive.

 

[JDG1980]

You do know i7 6700k now costs $270 on microcenter right? How much have you paid for i7 before this year?

Micro Center once had the i7-4770K on sale for $199 (local pickup only, as per usual). Plus you could get the usual $30 off a motherboard if you bought it at the same time. That was the best deal I ever saw on an i7 CPU.

 

[tamz_msc]

You do know i7 6700k now costs $270 on microcenter right? How much have you paid for i7 before this year?

Why is that relevant if you can't get such deals outside of Microcenter?

 

[3DVagabond]

It's Skylake-X -- that's Intel's HEDT solution.

In the meantime, Intel can slash prices on Broadwell-E. 6950X at $899, 6900K at $499, 6850K at $399, and 6800K at $349 ought to help until Intel has SKX-X out.

Can they slash prices like that? Do you have access to their financials? Maybe you can tell me what would happen to their share prices if they cut their margins that drastically? While you are at it figure in loss market share too. Looking forward to seeing those figures, please? Because without them you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[3DVagabond]

If you look at new games, many make use of 6+ cores. I won't pollute the thread with a graph festival, but many of today's modern games run on 5960x, 6900k & 6950k systems outperform Intel's 4c chips even with the octos running at lower frequencies.

When you're running an octo Intel chip at 4.4+ghz, I think they are far and away the better all round chip, which is why I've only used the HEDT platform for years now. It's looking fairly solid that we can expect Ryzen octos to match Intel's octos at stock. If overclocked Ryzen octos can keep up with overclocked Intel octos, that would be the best gaming chip. Particularly if this could happen with the OCed 1700 due to pricing being similar to a 7700k.

Intel's HEDT line overclocks surprisingly well, the issue is keeping them cool. I have my reservations about Ryzen being able to realize the same sort of gains with overclocking, but it would be great if it can.

This is what I like about you, Groove. You honestly buy what you believe gives you the best performance. While that's always been Intel and nVidia (at least as long as I've been here) I honestly believe that the day you think you will get a better experience from AMD, or as good for less money, you'll buy it. And you won't lament Intel or nVidia for a heartbeat.

Your complete lack of bias for those brands actually got you labeled an AMD stealth marketer at one point. Shows the fear some have of the truth. Cheers!

 

[3DVagabond]

I don't find it amazing at all. Taking so long to catch up is not really something to brag that much about.

The pricing is the real amazing thing.

Also, Intel's best has not been released yet. Intel is still on Broadwell and Skylake architecture, and will be for a little while yet.

Actually the pricing is the least impressive thing. AMD's overhead is minuscule compared to Intel. The fact that Intel has over 10X the R&D budget and AMD was able to catch them, actually pass them if you consider MT and perf/W is astounding. I've read many many times right here and elsewhere that AMD had absolutely no chance ever doing what it appears they have.

This is a bit old now, but it's the most recent I can find with a quick Google search.

 

[SAAA]

I was thinking recently of a funny fact: Intel may save its own a** again by a sideproduct it -already- has, the same way they did with Conroe when Pentium 4s were evidently obsolete... sometimes throwing money on products left and right can help you! XD

What I'm thinking about? Xeon-D. 8 cores, SoC with no IGP, 160mm^2 die. I'm pretty sure the updated version with Skylake cores is almost ready and porting it on the high power process rather than the denser variant shouldn't be that hard. There you have it: up the TDP to 100W or so and they could have an answer to Ryzen on mainstream, assuming Coffelake with 6 cores isn't interesting enough.

 

[flash-gordon]

There was a time when AMD set the prices. I thought they were overpriced too.
http://www.legitreviews.com/the-amd-athlon-64-x2-3800-processor-review_226
At the time a ran both in my F@H farm.

AMD got Conroed, and now it's time for them to return the favor.
It's about time.

One of the factors for this Ryzen heat surely is nostalgia. Good to know head to head benchmarks are back!

 

[Shivansps]

It's Skylake-X -- that's Intel's HEDT solution.

In the meantime, Intel can slash prices on Broadwell-E. 6950X at $899, 6900K at $499, 6850K at $399, and 6800K at $349 ought to help until Intel has SKX-X out.

Petty sure they cant just do that. That will start eating Xeon server market, and thats where the money comes from.

 

[LTC8K6]

Actually the pricing is the least impressive thing. AMD's overhead is minuscule compared to Intel. The fact that Intel has over 10X the R&D budget and AMD was able to catch them, actually pass them if you consider MT and perf/W is astounding. I've read many many times right here and elsewhere that AMD had absolutely no chance ever doing what it appears they have.

This is a bit old now, but it's the most recent I can find with a quick Google search.

It's not broken down though so we can compare directly. I assume Intel has a broader R&D scope than just x86 processors and graphics.

 

[scannall]

Actually the pricing is the least impressive thing. AMD's overhead is minuscule compared to Intel. The fact that Intel has over 10X the R&D budget and AMD was able to catch them, actually pass them if you consider MT and perf/W is astounding. I've read many many times right here and elsewhere that AMD had absolutely no chance ever doing what it appears they have.

A lot of Intel's R & D goes into things like process for example. Not saying they don't spend a lot on cores as well, but that has been refining their Core series rather than making a new arch from scratch. And they haven't needed to. Why take a giant multi-year risk, using a mountain of money when you already have such a big lead? AMD *had* to do a new arch, twice. And the Bulldozer showed why it's a risky venture. It's not something you do lightly, or at all if you don't need to.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Petty sure they cant just do that. That will start eating Xeon server market, and thats where the money comes from.

Average Xeon selling price is around $600. The prices on 6900K and 6950X are well above anything any serious server customer pays

 

[Timmah!]

So, no news on further potential price drops? Fingers crossed for 6950x to fall down.

 

[AMDisTheBEST]

Why is that relevant if you can't get such deals outside of Microcenter?

Because for those who do, it's a huge saving. Your question is like asking what's the point of local store sales if others outside the city can't shop there.

 

[Arachnotronic]

So, no news on further potential price drops? Fingers crossed for 6950x to fall down.

6950X needs to be $999 tops. Current $1700 price tag is a pathetic joke.

 

[tamz_msc]

Because for those who do, it's a huge saving. Your question is like asking what's the point of local store sales if others outside the city can't shop there.

Microcenter deals != Intel-mandated price cuts.

 

[Borealis7]

you know how when someone says "i don't want to brag but..." always comes before a brag?
so, i don't want to brag but...my 7700K cost me 180$.

but for that you need...umm..."Blue Friends".

 

[PliotronX]

you know how when someone says "i don't want to brag but..." always comes before a brag?
so, i don't want to brag but...my 7700K cost me 180$.

but for that you need...umm..."Blue Friends".

Apparently they weren't good friends because they didn't spot you an ES for $0

 

[LTC8K6]

Seems like Intel might not need a price cut yet, and maybe they do know what they are doing.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Seems like Intel might not need a price cut yet, and maybe they do know what they are doing.

I think it will come down to how well the R1600 and lower models compare to the i7600K and below models from Intel.

 

[Yakk]

Even better than expected, foray water-cooled rig build in sa loooooooooong time incoming

 

[Khato]

And as expected, AMD's pricing matches their performance. Yes, they created a great processor... for cinebench. And, of course, it's quite competitive on any other heavy multi-threading workload exactly as expected. But thanks to having created a core that overclocks comparably to what Intel provided pre-Sandybridge, well, it's not exactly competitive for anything which doesn't really benefit from more than 4 cores.

Does that merit Intel changing their pricing structure? Not really. Ryzen in its current implementation doesn't change anything for Intel's mainstream SKUs, and unless they can actually clock the 6/4 core versions beyond 4 GHz they'll only be playing lower in the product stack. Yes, Ryzen does make Intel's HEDT line look overpriced, especially at stock frequencies... but how's that any different from the norm? They looked overpriced before too. The lone effect of Ryzen in that realm might be a lower price of entry on an 8 core version of SKL-X.