Intense cop chest cam video of a shootout

[JSt0rm]

 

[waggy]

A lot of people are.

http://azdailysun.com/news/local/cr...cle_043a8d3c-8b93-5bef-b8f1-01243915c460.html

Stuff happens fast...I'd really like to see two-officer cars as a standard, but that costs money so it's rare to see.

I agree. i would rather see slight more in taxes and 2 officers in a car.

seems like it would be far safer and keep situations from going out of control.

 

[SparkyJJO]

It is. I would never discount the risk they take every day, but it's impossible to ignore the over-reaching by some police and in some cases entire departments. Police bit the hand that feeds them (society). Treating citizens as revenue streams, over use of force, etc.

I also think some of the violence against police what we see today is a direct result of police actions in the past. That's by far no excuse for society, but it can be a reason.

I don't know how, but there has to be a switch officers flip when going into full on johnny law mode, it doesn't need to be on every minute of every day. I have seen police take an even hand with amazing results. Also, I very much respect and appreciate the need for swat and or use of force. It's needed in many situations.

One of the things I think we need to fix is the revenue stream issue. Police are not here to profit from society. The idea, written or implied, of a ticket quota goes against their function to society. Cops directly getting money from certain types of busts (civil forfeiture, drugs, etc) is just insane. City budgets depending on tickets to keep the budget even...

What did we expect when we setup such a system?

I don't know how true quotas really are. They aren't around here. Sometimes I feel like that was some sort of made up story by a guy who was butthurt that he got caught. Seriously, the way some people whine and complain about the "horrible" cop who gave them speeding tickets and act like they were the victims is just ridiculous.

 

[disappoint]

And now, if you really want to be disturbed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4xrM0_-9no

 

[balloonshark]

Why do cops have to be so damn mouthy? Why can't they just be professional instead of escalating a situation?

Why didn't they cuff him in the bathroom and then take him outside? They certainly had no problem stopping in the middle of the restaurant and running their mouths around customers where things could have gotten ugly fast. Why didn't they wait until he left the restaurant?

I have no problem with the shoot but damn, things could should have been handled differently for everyone's safety. It would also help the LEO's pubic perception.

 

[John Connor]

Why did they escort him out without cuffing him within the confines of the restroom of all places?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

And now, if you really want to be disturbed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4xrM0_-9no

At least a couple of those look justified, and I'm just skipping around. Women don't deserve automatic sympathy points just because they're women.

 

[Ichinisan]

Why did they escort him out without cuffing him within the confines of the restroom of all places?

Probably to avoid damaging private property if a struggle ensued.

 

[JSt0rm]

Probably to avoid damaging private property if a struggle ensued.

is that in the training book?

 

[z1ggy]

So looks like Jstorm is this thead's troll/cop hater. I'm going to guess he has all of 0 hours of LEO experience, lol.

 

[pcgeek11]

It was a bb gun.

I don't think they had time to inspect the gun beforehand.

 

[pcgeek11]

And now, if you really want to be disturbed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4xrM0_-9no

Nice little piece of propaganda. Some appeared to be asking for it. Granted some did not.

 

[mrjminer]

Nice little piece of propaganda. Some appeared to be asking for it. Granted some did not.

Yea, there were a few in there that weren't justified, but the majority of them definitely were justified.

 

[BlitzPuppet]

is that in the training book?

I don't know about you, but I'd not like to tangle with someone in an enclosed space. I'd rather take them outside and deal with it there if there is a chance of escalating into an issue.

That's why urban combat is so scary, so many places to hide and then have yourself literally backed into a corner.

 

[Jeeebus]

I don't know about you, but I'd not like to tangle with someone in an enclosed space. I'd rather take them outside and deal with it there if there is a chance of escalating into an issue.

That's why urban combat is so scary, so many places to hide and then have yourself literally backed into a corner.

Can't really criticize the cops for the shooting, but for the life of me I can't figure out why the guy was not at least frisked (and most likely cuffed) before they allowed him to walk through a crowded diner and then out into the open. They seemed pretty certain this guy had committed a crime, and that's enough to frisk him. I would think standard procedure is you immediately frisk someone in that situation in the unlikely (and in this case, very real) scenario where the guy is armed/crazy.

That situation could have been a lot uglier if they had lost focus on him for even a second.

 

[Phoenix86]

I don't know how true quotas really are. They aren't around here. Sometimes I feel like that was some sort of made up story by a guy who was butthurt that he got caught. Seriously, the way some people whine and complain about the "horrible" cop who gave them speeding tickets and act like they were the victims is just ridiculous.

True quotas? Not likely. Town hall pressuring police to generate revenue (esp after the down turn in the economy), police chief pressures departments, departments pressure beat cops. Result? Cops increase ticketing.

If cops come in significantly lower than their peers they are questioned. So no, not a true quota, but they still have to meet certain numbers.

City next to me has a couple major roads with an access road at 40MPH. 2 lanes, people coming on/off highway, fair amount of traffic. Guess where they radar 3 days a week? But I'm sure it's because it's a dangerous road, not because the speed is lower than what's clearly safe (45MPH) and they tag people going 1-2MPH over.

I bet they write 90% of the city's tickets in this little 1 mile stretch of road.

Safety not revenue, right? FWIW I have never seen an accident on that road.

 

[Phanuel]

City next to me has a couple major roads with an access road at 40MPH. 2 lanes, people coming on/off highway, fair amount of traffic. Guess where they radar 3 days a week? But I'm sure it's because it's a dangerous road, not because the speed is lower than what's clearly safe (45MPH) and they tag people going 1-2MPH over.

I bet they write 90% of the city's tickets in this little 1 mile stretch of road.

Safety not revenue, right? FWIW I have never seen an accident on that road.

Lawtey or Waldo?

https://autoclubsouth.aaa.com/safety/traffic_traps.aspx

 

[Sho'Nuff]

I believe this is the same one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxykcRjNqZ4

Yep same one

 

[CoPhotoGuy]

Can't really criticize the cops for the shooting, but for the life of me I can't figure out why the guy was not at least frisked (and most likely cuffed) before they allowed him to walk through a crowded diner and then out into the open. They seemed pretty certain this guy had committed a crime, and that's enough to frisk him. I would think standard procedure is you immediately frisk someone in that situation in the unlikely (and in this case, very real) scenario where the guy is armed/crazy.

That situation could have been a lot uglier if they had lost focus on him for even a second.

They were pretty focused...one cop moved what looked like a knife out of easy reach as they were walking out. Kept him between the two of them. Maybe they just wanted to be sure to get him outside of the restaurant where there were a bunch of innocent people.

 

[Sho'Nuff]

What? Have you ever fired a pistol before?

So what should they have done instead oh wise one?

My wife is a federal agent - she said that the female police officer in the video pulled her taser and not her pistol. Video was used during a recent training to show how quickly things can go south and how automatic your response has to be. There is no time to decide in that situation. It is literally shoot or be shot.

 

[Sho'Nuff]

Yes...but without audio and small size it looked odd with the light and I guess that'a a laser sight?

Sight from the female cops taser

 

[Sho'Nuff]

He didnt shoot the thing. MY only point was people using this as an example of how dangerous a cops job is are using a bad example. The cops were never in any danger.

You sir, are an idiot. Whoopity do. You pointed out that the perp in this case was wielding a BB gun and therefore the cops were never in any "real" danger. But that does not mean the example is a bad one or that the Officers in question did not feel the perp was not going to immediately use deadly force on them. All it means is that in this particular case the perp was not wielding a howitzer in his hand. Rather, he was wielding a bb gun that looked pretty much exactly like a golly geee gosh dang real tootin shootin pistol.

There is no time to think or inspect in that situation - only time to react.

 

[CoPhotoGuy]

Why do cops have to be so damn mouthy? Why can't they just be professional instead of escalating a situation?

Why didn't they cuff him in the bathroom and then take him outside? They certainly had no problem stopping in the middle of the restaurant and running their mouths around customers where things could have gotten ugly fast. Why didn't they wait until he left the restaurant?

I have no problem with the shoot but damn, things could should have been handled differently for everyone's safety. It would also help the LEO's pubic perception.

How were they being "mouthy"?

 

[Sho'Nuff]

Why do cops have to be so damn mouthy? Why can't they just be professional instead of escalating a situation?

Because they are fucking stressed out. They deal with the shitheads of society all day every day. They have no idea from one situation to the next whether they will be dealing with a "reasonable" crackhead or a crazy machine gun toting crackhead. So they default to an alpha dog mentality which is based on their experience that if they do not immediately and unequivocally take control over a situation, they are risking injury to themselves and to their fellow officers on the scene.

Are their circumstances where a copy can relax? Sure. But the default state they are in is one that is designed for self preservation. If we lived in a society where everyone respected the rules without question or argument, every cop could be Joe Friday and every situation could be resolved by the cop asking one question ("Just the facts, Maam"). But we don't live in that kind of society. We live in a society where we ask cops to deal with people who have an expressed disrespect for the law and everything it stands for, and who in many cases are willing to harm any and all around them for their own personal gain.

 

[BUTCH1]

Want someone to start shooting a BB gun at your face so you can find out? wtf...

According to the You Tube link it was a pellet gun, not much difference really, what kind of idiot does that shit over probably petty theft. Excellent reaction time and aim by the Cop, job well done Sir.