Interesting Article About Nuclear Warfare

Brovane

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Interesting article from a person that I know on another board who is a Defense Analyst and who used to create nuclear attack plans.

I consider this article a interesting read because of all the excitement over Iran maybe trying to acquire nuclear arms. I almost think that we let them go down that route if they want it so bad. Just back off and say fine you want to use nuclear power for peaceful purposes fine. Also let the Israelis know that we are not going to tolerate attack on Iran by there forces. Engage the Iranians in talks and just calm down the rhetoric.

Opinions?

http://homepage.mac.com/msb/16...clear_warfare_101.html

From: "Stuart Slade"
Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 07:53:22 AM US/Pacific
Subject: Nuclear Warfare 101

The Nuclear Game - An Essay on Nuclear Policy Making

When a country first acquires nuclear weapons it does so out of a very accurate perception that possession of nukes fundamentally changes it relationships with other powers. What nuclear weapons buy for a New Nuclear Power (NNP) is the fact that once the country in question has nuclear weapons, it cannot be beaten. It can be defeated, that is it can be prevented from achieving certain goals or stopped from following certain courses of action, but it cannot be beaten. It will never have enemy tanks moving down the streets of its capital, it will never have its national treasures looted and its citizens forced into servitude. The enemy will be destroyed by nuclear attack first. A potential enemy knows that so will not push the situation to the point where our NNP is on the verge of being beaten. In effect, the effect of acquiring nuclear weapons is that the owning country has set limits on any conflict in which it is involved. This is such an immensely attractive option that states find it irresistible.

Only later do they realize the problem. Nuclear weapons are so immensely destructive that they mean a country can be totally destroyed by their use. Although our NNP cannot be beaten by an enemy it can be destroyed by that enemy. Although a beaten country can pick itself up and recover, the chances of a country devastated by nuclear strikes doing the same are virtually non-existent. [This needs some elaboration. Given the likely scale and effects of a nuclear attack, its most unlikely that the everybody will be killed. There will be survivors and they will rebuild a society but it will have nothing in common with what was there before. So, to all intents and purposes, once a society initiates a nuclear exchange its gone forever]. Once this basic factor has been absorbed, the NNP makes a fundamental realization that will influence every move it makes from this point onwards. If it does nothing, its effectively invincible. If, however, it does something, there is a serious risk that it will initiate a chain of events that will eventually lead to a nuclear holocaust. The result of that terrifying realization is strategic paralysis.

With that appreciation of strategic paralysis comes an even worse problem. A non-nuclear country has a wide range of options for its forces. Although its actions may incur a risk of being beaten they do not court destruction. Thus, a non-nuclear nation can afford to take risks of a calculated nature. However,a nuclear-equipped nation has to consider the risk that actions by its conventional forces will lead to a situation where it may have to use its nuclear forces with the resulting holocaust. Therefore, not only are its strategic nuclear options restricted by its possession of nuclear weapons, so are its tactical and operational options. So we add tactical and operational paralysis to the strategic variety. This is why we see such a tremendous emphasis on the mechanics of decision making in nuclear powers. Every decision has to be thought through, not for one step or the step after but for six, seven or eight steps down the line.

We can see this in the events of the 1960s and 1970s, especially surrounding the Vietnam War. Every so often, the question gets asked "How could the US have won in Vietnam?" with a series of replies that include invading the North,extending the bombing to China and other dramatic escalations of the conflict. Now, it should be obvious why such suggestions could not, in the real world, be contemplated. The risk of ending up in a nuclear war was too great. For another example, note how the presence of nuclear weapons restricted and limited the tactical and operational options available to both sides in the 1973 Yom Kippur War. In effect neither side could push the war to a final conclusion because to do so would bring down nuclear attack on the heads of the "winners". Here, Israel's nuclear arsenal was limiting the conflict before it even started. Egypt and Syria couldn't destroy the country - all they could do was to chew up enough of the Israeli armed forces and put themselves in the correct strategic position to dictate a peace agreement on much more favorable terms than would be the case. But, the Israeli nuclear arsenal also limited the conflict in another way. Because they were a nuclear power they were fair game; if they pushed the Egyptians too hard, they would demand Soviet assistance and who knew where that would lead?

So, the direct effects of nuclear weapons in a nation's hands is to make that nation extremely cautious. They spend much time studying situations, working out the implications of such situations, what the likely results of certain policy options are. One of the immense advantages the US had in the Cold War was that they had a network of Research Institutes and Associations and consulting companies who spent their time doing exactly this sort of work. (Ahh the dear dead days of planning nuclear wars. The glow of satisfaction as piecutters are placed over cities; the warm feeling of fulfillment as the death toll passed the billion mark; the sick feeling of disappointment as the casualties from a given strategy only amounted to some 40 million when preliminary studies had shown a much more productive result. But I digress). This meant that a much wider range of policy options could be studied than was possible if the ideas were left in military hands.These organizations, the famous think tanks had no inhibitions about asking very awkward questions that would end the career of a military officer doing the same. This network became known as The Business. We're still out here.

So. What were nuclear weapons good for? It seems they are more of a liability than an asset. To some extent that's true but the important fact remains,they do limit conflict. As long as they are in place and functional they are an insurance policy against a nation getting beaten. That means that if that country is going to get beaten, its nuclear weapons have to be taken out first. It also means that if it ever uses its nuclear weapons, once they are gone, its invulnerability vanishes with it. Thus, the threat posed by nuclear weapons is a lot more effective and valuable than the likely results of using those weapons. Of course, this concern becomes moot if it appears likely that the NNP is about to lose its nuclear weapons to a pre-emptive strike. Under these circumstances, the country may decide that its in a use-it-or-lose-it situation.The more vulnerable to pre-emption those weapons are the stronger that imperative becomes.

This is why ICBMs are such an attractive option. They are faster-reacting than bombers, they are easier to protect on the ground and they are much more likely to get through to their targets. This is why modern, advanced devices are much more desirable than the older versions. In the 1950s the Soviet Union had a nuclear attack reaction time of six weeks (don't laugh, that of the US was 30 days). The reason was simple, device design in those days meant that the device, once assembled, deteriorated very quickly and, once degraded, had to be sent back to the plant for remanufacture. Device assembly needed specialized teams and took time. This made a first strike very, very attractive - as long as the attacker could be sure of getting all the enemy force. It was this long delay to get forces available that made air defense and ABM such an attractive option. In effect, it could blunt an enemy attack while the assembly crews frantically put their own devices together and got them ready for launch. As advancing device design made it possible to reduce assembly time, this aspect of ABM became less important.

What this also suggests is that large, secure nuclear arsenals are inherently safer than small, vulnerable ones. A large arsenal means that the owner can do appalling damage to an enemy, a secure arsenal means that no matter how the enemy attacks, enough weapons will survive to allow that destruction to take place. Here we have the genesis of the most misunderstood term in modern warfare - MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction. (Another point of elaboration here - MAD is not a policy and has never been instituted as a policy option. It's the effect of policies that have been promulgated. This is a very useful touchstone - if people mention the US Policy of MAD, they don't know what they are talking about). Its widely believed that this suggests that both sides are wide open to unrestricted destruction by the other. This is a gross over-simplification. What the term actually means is that both sides have enough nuclear firepower to destroy the other and that the firepower in question is configured in such ways that no pre-emptive strike can destroy enough of it to take away the fact that the other country will be destroyed. MAD did not preclude the use of defensive systems - in fact it was originally formulated to show how important they are - but its misunderstood version was held to do so - with catastrophic results for us all. One implication of this by the way is that in spite of all the fuss over the Chinese stealing the W88 warhead design, the net beneficiary of that is the United States; it allows the Chinese to build a much more secure deterrent and thus a more stable one. Also, looking at things purely ruthlessly, its better for one's enemy to make small clean bombs than big dirty ones.

Aha, I hear you say what about the mad dictator? Its interesting to note that mad, homicidal aggressive dictators tend to get very tame sane cautious ones as soon as they split atoms. Whatever their motivations and intents, the mechanics of how nuclear weapons work dictate that mad dictators become sane dictators very quickly. After all its not much fun dictating if one's country is a radioactive trash pile and you're one of the ashes. China, India and Pakistan are good examples. One of the best examples of this process at work is Mao Tse Tung. Throughout the 1950s he was extraordinarily bellicose and repeatedly tried to bully, cajole or trick Khruschev and his successors into initiating a nuclear exchange with the US on the grounds that world communism would rise from the ashes. Thats what Quemoy and Matsu were all about in the late 1950s. Then China got nuclear weapons. Have you noticed how reticent they are with them? Its sunk in. They can be totally destroyed; will be totally destroyed; in the event of an exchange. A Chinese Officer here once on exchange (billed as a "look what we can do" session it was really a "look what we can do to you" exercise) produced the standard line about how the Chinese could lose 500 million people in a nuclear war and keep going with the survivors. So his hosts got out a demographic map (one that shows population densities rather than topographical data) and got to work with pie-cutters using a few classified tricks - and got virtually the entire population of China using only a small proportion of the US arsenal. The guest stared at the map for a couple of minutes then went and tossed his cookies into the toilet bowl. The only people who mouth off about using nuclear weapons and threaten others with them are those that do not have keys hanging around their necks. The moment they get keys and realize what they've let themselves in for, they get to be very quiet and very cautious indeed. Another great - and very recent example - look how circumspect the Indians and Pakistani Governments were in the recent confrontation - lots of words but little or no action to back them and both sides worked very hard not to do anything that could be misunderstood. (When the Pakistani's did a missile test they actually invited the Indians over to watch in order to ensure there was no ground for misunderstanding. The test itself was another message from both countries to the rest of the world - basically it read "Don't sweat it, we know the rules")

One anayst from The Business was asked what Saddam Hussein would have done if Iraq had possessed nuclear weapons in 1990. He replied that he didn't know what he would have done but he did know what he would not have done - he would not have invaded Kuwait.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: JS80
Interesting read but the analyst doesn't take into account religion.

What role do you believe that religion would play here?
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: JS80
Interesting read but the analyst doesn't take into account religion.

What role do you believe that religion would play here?

Oh come on, Vic, it's so obvious. Iran would martyr their entire county if they had the chance to nuke the Jews.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: JS80
Interesting read but the analyst doesn't take into account religion.

What role do you believe that religion would play here?

Oh come on, Vic, it's so obvious. Iran would martyr their entire county if they had the chance to nuke the Jews.

Obvious to a sociopath I suppose...
 

SlickSnake

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: JS80
Interesting read but the analyst doesn't take into account religion.

What role do you believe that religion would play here?

Oh come on, Vic, it's so obvious. Iran would martyr their entire county if they had the chance to nuke the Jews.

Obvious to a sociopath I suppose...

Ironic you asked that question. What role does religion play in the invasion of Iraq and possibly Iran? Ever hear of Armageddon?

Obviously we have seen religion can be a prime motivator. And we have a large deterrent against invasion. Or do we? Do you really need a missile to deliver a payload at all anymore? Which makes the missile defense shield just another trillion dollar black hole the taxpayers get screwed over for.

The government can always seem to justify constant massive military boondoggles, but universal health care for the whole country, including war veterans, is never considered. And don't even pretend the V.A. is proper health care.
 

firewall

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A good read indeed! Thanks.

The following is particularly relevant to some couch generals here on ATP&N:

The only people who mouth off about using nuclear weapons and threaten others with them are those that do not have keys hanging around their necks. The moment they get keys and realize what they've let themselves in for, they get to be very quiet and very cautious indeed.
 

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Originally posted by: JS80
Interesting read but the analyst doesn't take into account religion.
That's because the analyst is intelligent enough to know it doesn't matter.

Good read.

Iran will probably have their first nuke roll off the production line in 2010.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: JS80
Interesting read but the analyst doesn't take into account religion.

What role do you believe that religion would play here?

Oh come on, Vic, it's so obvious. Iran would martyr their entire county if they had the chance to nuke the Jews.

You aren't going to reach sane policies with our insane views of others, Bamacre.
 

Braznor

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State based actors having nukes pose little danger as compared to stateless organizations like Al Qaeda. In Iran's case, the mullahs in power love life no matter how vehemently they promote death in the name of their religion for their followers. Rest assured, Iran won;t be the first to use nukes anytime soon.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Braznor
State based actors having nukes pose little danger as compared to stateless organizations like Al Qaeda. In Iran's case, the mullahs in power love life no matter how vehemently they promote death in the name of their religion for their followers. Rest assured, Iran won;t be the first to use nukes anytime soon.

It will provide Iran a measure of protection from being attacked in one of the many ways the west can and has attacked them.

That's a reason for some to not want them to have the bomb; and the 'they'll nuke Israel!' claim is a lot more acceptable reason than 'we won't be able to attack them as easily!'

Is there some risk to their getting it? Yes, like with everyone; we still have people who think we should have nuked Vietnamese who wanted freedom. Our Joint Chiefs have pushed for nuking the USSR in a first strike before. We still have yahoos who want to 'turn the middle east into glass', and some of them vote.

If we're going to get serious about non-proliferation, it should probably include every nation. The current situation leaves us with a lot of bad choices, from nuclear powers running around invading and otherwise dominating other nations, to excessive proliferation which does indeed carry horrible risks. Even nuclear disarmament carries its own risks, as the risks of conventional war are lowered, and the likelihood therefore increases.

We like the 'hey we're the good guys, so it's ok to have a double standard' approach, but policies like Vietnam, Chile, Grenada, and Iraq say otherwise.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
-snip-
Iran will probably have their first nuke roll off the production line in 2010.

That may well be correct.

Fern
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: Craig234
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It will provide Iran a measure of protection from being attacked in one of the many ways the west can and has attacked them.

You mean like our CIA screwing around with them?

Is a nuclear attack on civilian targets really an appropriate response?

Or do you mean when our President calls them an axis of evil?

Are nuclear attacks on civilian targets an appropriate response for *insults*?

You are NOT making me feel any better about the possibility of them getting nukes.

Fern
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: Craig234
-snip-
It will provide Iran a measure of protection from being attacked in one of the many ways the west can and has attacked them.

You mean like our CIA screwing around with them?

Is a nuclear attack on civilian targets really an appropriate response?

Yes, I do mean that as one of the ways, and no, of *course* using the nukes is not good - as I said, the point is for them to not use the nukes and deter being attacked.

Or do you mean when our President calls them an axis of evil?

Are nuclear attacks on civilian targets an appropriate response for *insults*?

Why do you even ask me a question like that, of course not. 'Sticks and stones'.

You are NOT making me feel any better about the possibility of them getting nukes.

Fern

That wasn't my goal, I was discussing the issue, but your questions suggest we're not on the same page. Why do you change 'protection from attack' to using the bomb?

My post was not expect to make you feel better - as it said, there are a bunch of bad choices now.
 

Braznor

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Braznor
State based actors having nukes pose little danger as compared to stateless organizations like Al Qaeda. In Iran's case, the mullahs in power love life no matter how vehemently they promote death in the name of their religion for their followers. Rest assured, Iran won;t be the first to use nukes anytime soon.

It will provide Iran a measure of protection from being attacked in one of the many ways the west can and has attacked them.

That's a reason for some to not want them to have the bomb; and the 'they'll nuke Israel!' claim is a lot more acceptable reason than 'we won't be able to attack them as easily!'

Is there some risk to their getting it? Yes, like with everyone; we still have people who think we should have nuked Vietnamese who wanted freedom. Our Joint Chiefs have pushed for nuking the USSR in a first strike before. We still have yahoos who want to 'turn the middle east into glass', and some of them vote.

If we're going to get serious about non-proliferation, it should probably include every nation. The current situation leaves us with a lot of bad choices, from nuclear powers running around invading and otherwise dominating other nations, to excessive proliferation which does indeed carry horrible risks. Even nuclear disarmament carries its own risks, as the risks of conventional war are lowered, and the likelihood therefore increases.

We like the 'hey we're the good guys, so it's ok to have a double standard' approach, but policies like Vietnam, Chile, Grenada, and Iraq say otherwise.

See, here is the problem. Once Iran gets nukes, then it gets a certificate of invulnerability. Once that happens, then Middle East gonna get destabilized even more because of renewed Iranian efforts to take control of the region. Needless to say, Iran getting the goods gonna make the shit hit the fan real soon.

 

Lemon law

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In terms of a mad dictator scenario, GWB is a worst case scenario. And the analyst totally underestimated the delivery systems part of the question. you can't have MAD unless
you have the means to deliver them reliably.

But sooner or later some mad dictator will use a nuke. Nor did China get all that sane after it had Nukes. In Vietnam we could have put US boot on the ground in North Vietnam and totally defeated the North in a matter of days. Except then the Chinese army pledged to come in just like they did in Korea. And then the US would have had its ass kicked or have to go the The Global thermonuclear war route. Which is why we have so many of those little proxy wars now, they become the blood sport of nuclear powers.

Sadly GWB thought the was the lone standing super power and could do what he wanted, his invasion of Iraq would have been unthinkable during the cold war.
 

Genx87

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It is an interesting read and he presents good arguments as to how Nuclear weapons have limited wars in the world since WWII. Once you get the big one you can limit your enemy's foreign policy.

There is definately merit in the thinking that when you go nuclear your long term policy decisions need to take them into account.

One thing that would have been nice for him to touch on was the cost of maintaining a nuclear arsenal. I have little doubt NK wants nuclear weapons. I have a feeling once they got into the business of making them, they realized the cost was more than they could afford. Now Iran has a pipeline of cash for the next few decades to fund this thing. Should be interesting to see what happens when it runs out.
 

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I sincerely believe Pakistan was saved from being bombed post 9/11 solely because of nukes. And I also believe Iran desperately needs nukes to save itself from rogue military organizations such as Israel who have been threatening its existence.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
I sincerely believe Pakistan was saved from being bombed post 9/11 solely because of nukes. And I also believe Iran desperately needs nukes to save itself from rogue military organizations such as Israel who have been threatening its existence.

I havent heard Israel threaten Iran's existence. At best they have threatened to knock out the nuclear facilities like they did in Iraq and Syria. Iran on the other hand :disgust:
 

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
I sincerely believe Pakistan was saved from being bombed post 9/11 solely because of nukes. And I also believe Iran desperately needs nukes to save itself from rogue military organizations such as Israel who have been threatening its existence.

Firstly, Pakistan was never on the radar for being bombed post 9/11. It is only when the Taliban/Al Quida took refuge in Pakistan and were protected by the locals in those provinces with a seemingly lack of enforcement by the govt forces that has talk arisen of going cross border after the Taliban. Note the talk is about going after the Taliban and Al Quida, NOT Pakistani's.

Secondly, when has Israel threatening the existence of Iran? Israel has been all about protecting it's existence, not wiping out another country. On the contrary it is Iran that wants to wipe Israel off the map.

Get you head out of your butt and try to see the reality sometime.


 

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
I sincerely believe Pakistan was saved from being bombed post 9/11 solely because of nukes. And I also believe Iran desperately needs nukes to save itself from rogue military organizations such as Israel who have been threatening its existence.

Pakistan doesn't field crap when it comes to nuclear deterrence against the US, even though they were never even on the list right after 9/11. Your persecution complex is at work again here.

What in the hell does Israel want with/from Iran?
Absolutely nothing. If Iran would stop electing nutjobs into its high offices that make repeated comments about how Israel should be wiped off the map and not show such an strong interest in acquiring nuclear armament I don't think they'd be hearing word one from Israel.
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
I sincerely believe Pakistan was saved from being bombed post 9/11 solely because of nukes. And I also believe Iran desperately needs nukes to save itself from rogue military organizations such as Israel who have been threatening its existence.

Firstly, Pakistan was never on the radar for being bombed post 9/11. It is only when the Taliban/Al Quida took refuge in Pakistan and were protected by the locals in those provinces with a seemingly lack of enforcement by the govt forces that has talk arisen of going cross border after the Taliban. Note the talk is about going after the Taliban and Al Quida, NOT Pakistani's.

Secondly, when has Israel threatening the existence of Iran? Israel has been all about protecting it's existence, not wiping out another country. On the contrary it is Iran that wants to wipe Israel off the map.

Get you head out of your butt and try to see the reality sometime.

Have you already forgotten your leaders telling us "you are either with us or against us" and "we will bomb you back to the stone age if you do not co-operate"

You mean Israel wants to protect its own illegal existence by bombing another country? :roll: I'm not buying that. They have their own zionist agenda. But of course you will believe your same media propaganda that made you believe Iraq was a threat and it had WMDs.

To you reality is ONLY what your zinoist biased media tells you. How many times have you been to the civilian areas of Iran and Pakistan?
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
I sincerely believe Pakistan was saved from being bombed post 9/11 solely because of nukes. And I also believe Iran desperately needs nukes to save itself from rogue military organizations such as Israel who have been threatening its existence.

Pakistan doesn't field crap when it comes to nuclear deterrence against the US.

Maybe not the actual weapons but the threat of proliferation is far greater. We could give the tech to Iran; or worse to terrorist organizations across the globe in case of a US attack. Then what?
 
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