Interesting Polls on direction of country and Obama job approval

[retrospooty]

First off I like to use RCP for polls, because rather than showing one poll, that can be an anomaly, they average out many pollsters results. This gives a better result from a much larger poll base.

I was surprised to see these polls after listening to all the media coverage of people crying socialism, and bitching about anything and everything Obama does. It seems things aren't as bleak as some would have us believe.

Direction of country - still steadily increasing.

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...country-902.html#chart

Obama Job approval - still extremely high

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...job_approval-1044.html

 

[soccerballtux]

Majority of America: still extremely blind to what is happening.
MSM: still ignoring all the bad things Obama is doing

If the media isn't talking about it, then it's kinda hard for the people to know what's happening.
If the people don't care, then it's kinda hard for them to change their mind about Obama. He was their savior, and still is, despite all the OBVIOUS mistakes he's making.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Majority of America: still extremely blind to what is happening.
MSM: still ignoring all the bad things Obama is doing

If the media isn't talking about it, then it's kinda hard for the people to know what's happening.
If the people don't care, then it's kinda hard for them to change their mind about Obama. He was their savior, and still is, despite all the OBVIOUS mistakes he's making.

I agree, he should let the banks and auto industry fail so we can have another great depression!

Republicans.txt

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Majority of America: still extremely blind to what is happening.
MSM: still ignoring all the bad things Obama is doing

If the media isn't talking about it, then it's kinda hard for the people to know what's happening.
If the people don't care, then it's kinda hard for them to change their mind about Obama. He was their savior, and still is, despite all the OBVIOUS mistakes he's making.

I agree, he should let the banks and auto industry fail so we can have another great depression!

Republicans.txt

The auto industry is failing and the banks were saved last Fall.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Majority of America: still extremely blind to what is happening.
MSM: still ignoring all the bad things Obama is doing

If the media isn't talking about it, then it's kinda hard for the people to know what's happening.
If the people don't care, then it's kinda hard for them to change their mind about Obama. He was their savior, and still is, despite all the OBVIOUS mistakes he's making.

I am confused... So America is blind to what is happening, and ignoring the bad things Obama is doing and of course the media is ignoring it? I feel the media is pretty much telling us everything that is happening, bias or not. What OBVIOUS mistakes is he making that the mainstream media isn't reporting?

Meanwhile the economy is improving weekly...

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Majority of America: still extremely blind to what is happening.
MSM: still ignoring all the bad things Obama is doing

If the media isn't talking about it, then it's kinda hard for the people to know what's happening.
If the people don't care, then it's kinda hard for them to change their mind about Obama. He was their savior, and still is, despite all the OBVIOUS mistakes he's making.

I agree, he should let the banks and auto industry fail so we can have another great depression!

Republicans.txt

The auto industry is failing and the banks were saved last Fall.

The newer programs are doing very well, including TALF, which are things that are being carried out under his government. They are getting the securitization market back open, including non-TALF deals from companies such as Capital One, with spreads 1/5 as the high water mark.

Heck, I got a car loan last week for 60mos@3.9%.

The auto industry is shaking off the problems of the last 5 decades. They are hitting the trough now and will be trying to climb back up soon.

 

[dphantom]

I prefer polls with Likely Voters (LV) as I beleive they more accurately reflect an election. As such, Obama has dropped stadily since January - about 9 points by Rasmussen for example to 53%.

 

[heyheybooboo]

While it's an interesting 'snapshot' in time I don't think it really matters (even though the Wing Nuts have been bad-mouthing Obama for the past 10 months).

I think Obama has done well walking the 'fine line' between being positive about the status of the country, describing the obstacles we have to overcome and addressing the problems on his plate.

Not surprisingly, the Cons that post around here are more representative of World Nut Daily than reality.

 

[nageov3t]

that's weird, it seemed like the entire Meet the Press roundtable this weekend was in agreement that the latest polls were not so great news for the administration's policies.

 

[Paddington]

His disapproval rating has increased to 35%. His approval rating is about where it is for most Presidents, but steadily trending downwards.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Paddington
His disapproval rating has increased to 35%. His approval rating is about where it is for most Presidents, but steadily trending downwards.

Actually being President tends to have that effect on a person. Just takes a while for it to sink in.

 

[rudder]

A few more polls since we all like polls here...

Rasmussen poll

Gallup

Wall Street Journal

Keep in mind the WSJ poll reflects a 41-30 advantage of democrats over republicans.

Shits and grins

 

[Possessed Freak]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Majority of America: still extremely blind to what is happening.
MSM: still ignoring all the bad things Obama is doing

If the media isn't talking about it, then it's kinda hard for the people to know what's happening.
If the people don't care, then it's kinda hard for them to change their mind about Obama. He was their savior, and still is, despite all the OBVIOUS mistakes he's making.

I agree, he should let the banks and auto industry fail so we can have another great depression!

Republicans.txt

I am going to state this exactly one time:

It is IMPOSSIBLE to know what would have happened if he did not bail out the companies he did. He backed his horse (the bailouts) and he must live with it.

 

[BarrySotero]

I just follow Rasmussen index and for first time Obama had more people strongly disapproving of him that approving. His support among liberals dropped into 60's. I am sure the awakening to health care fiasco along with GM made lights go on for more people. Obama's dropping Israel for Palestine is also a reason. People now clearly see Obama lied about being strong supporter of Israel.

"JERUSALEM -- A new poll shows only 6 percent of Israeli Jews see President Barack Obama's administration as pro-Israel, while 50 percent see it as pro-Palestinian"

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...obama-pro-palestinian/

That's a huge drop from just a few weeks ago.

NY Post this weekend:

ISRAEL BETRAYED

"When Barack Obama was running for president, he vigorously reassured voters of his firm commitment to America's special relationship with Israel. Indeed, he worked to beef up his pro-Israel bona fides long before he even announced his intention to run...

Obama called the Jewish State "our strongest ally in the region and its only established democracy." During the primary and general election campaigns, Obama dispatched a stream of high-profile Jewish supporters to canvas Florida, and in a 2008 AIPAC speech, he went so far as to declare that Jerusalem must remain the "undivided" capital of Israel.

For all the qualms that anti-Obama "smears" would depress support in the Jewish community, Jews rewarded Obama with nearly 80% of their votes, more than they gave John Kerry.

Just six months into the new administration, however, it is becoming increasingly clear that those who harbored suspicions about Obama's approach to the Middle East had good reason to be worried. "


http://www.nypost.com/seven/06...el_betrayed_175238.htm


Obama speaks like the Lion King - he acts like Darth Vader

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Possessed Freak

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Majority of America: still extremely blind to what is happening.
MSM: still ignoring all the bad things Obama is doing

If the media isn't talking about it, then it's kinda hard for the people to know what's happening.
If the people don't care, then it's kinda hard for them to change their mind about Obama. He was their savior, and still is, despite all the OBVIOUS mistakes he's making.

I agree, he should let the banks and auto industry fail so we can have another great depression!

Republicans.txt

I am going to state this exactly one time:

It is IMPOSSIBLE to know what would have happened if he did not bail out the companies he did. He backed his horse (the bailouts) and he must live with it.

uhhh ... No.

You may choose to not accept the reality of our current financial status but a number of analysts have been suggesting a catastrophic implosion since the failure of Long-Term Capital Management in the late 1990s.

 

[Slew Foot]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Majority of America: still extremely blind to what is happening.
MSM: still ignoring all the bad things Obama is doing

If the media isn't talking about it, then it's kinda hard for the people to know what's happening.
If the people don't care, then it's kinda hard for them to change their mind about Obama. He was their savior, and still is, despite all the OBVIOUS mistakes he's making.

I agree, he should let the banks and auto industry fail so we can have another great depression!

Republicans.txt

The auto industry is failing and the banks were saved last Fall.

The newer programs are doing very well, including TALF, which are things that are being carried out under his government. They are getting the securitization market back open, including non-TALF deals from companies such as Capital One, with spreads 1/5 as the high water mark.

Heck, I got a car loan last week for 60mos@3.9%.

The auto industry is shaking off the problems of the last 5 decades. They are hitting the trough now and will be trying to climb back up soon.

I got 4% on a 48 month back in October. The money to loan has always been there, it just isnt being given to idiots.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
I just follow Rasmussen index and for first time Obama had more people strongly disapproving of him that approving. His support among liberals dropped into 60's. I am sure the awakening to health care fiasco along with GM made lights go on for more people. Obama's dropping Israel for Palestine is also a reason. People now clearly see Obama lied about being strong supporter of Israel.

"JERUSALEM -- A new poll shows only 6 percent of Israeli Jews see President Barack Obama's administration as pro-Israel, while 50 percent see it as pro-Palestinian"

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...obama-pro-palestinian/

That's a huge drop from just a few weeks ago.

NY Post this weekend:

ISRAEL BETRAYED

"When Barack Obama was running for president, he vigorously reassured voters of his firm commitment to America's special relationship with Israel. Indeed, he worked to beef up his pro-Israel bona fides long before he even announced his intention to run...

Obama called the Jewish State "our strongest ally in the region and its only established democracy." During the primary and general election campaigns, Obama dispatched a stream of high-profile Jewish supporters to canvas Florida, and in a 2008 AIPAC speech, he went so far as to declare that Jerusalem must remain the "undivided" capital of Israel.

For all the qualms that anti-Obama "smears" would depress support in the Jewish community, Jews rewarded Obama with nearly 80% of their votes, more than they gave John Kerry.

Just six months into the new administration, however, it is becoming increasingly clear that those who harbored suspicions about Obama's approach to the Middle East had good reason to be worried. "


http://www.nypost.com/seven/06...el_betrayed_175238.htm


Obama speaks like the Lion King - he acts like Darth Vader

Originally posted by: rudder
A few more polls since we all like polls here...

Rasmussen poll

Gallup

Wall Street Journal

Keep in mind the WSJ poll reflects a 41-30 advantage of democrats over republicans.

Shits and grins

That is exactly why RCP is better - it averages out tons of polls from all the major pollsters to avoid having misleading info from a "one off" poll, or pollster.

If you want misleading info - look at one poll. If you want true trending data, look at all of them and average it out.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot


I got 4% on a 48 month back in October. The money to loan has always been there, it just isnt being given to idiots.

It hasn't always been there. Balance sheets were swelling due to holding of loans. Without the securitization market they would have been forced to get additional funding through debt/equity, ABL, or ABS conduits. All of which are extremely expensive and difficult to get right now.

Without TALF the system would have eventually slowed down even more.

 

[BarrySotero]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

That is exactly why RCP is better - it averages out tons of polls from all the major pollsters to avoid having misleading info from a "one off" poll, or pollster.

If you want misleading info - look at one poll. If you want true trending data, look at all of them and average it out.

Rasmussen was found to be most accurate of 17 polsters after election. Razzy is generally dead on. What is the point of mixing it in with polls that notoriously over count and over weight polls with Democrats?

 

[nullzero]

Give it some time we will see Obama's approval ratings trailing in the 40s. I think by the end of his 4 years I would expect him to be somewhere near 35-45% approval. This is because a lot of the moderates and republicans that he swayed to vote for him, are increasingly becoming dissatisfied with the economy and domestic policies.

Near the end of 4 years he will start to have declining support of some democrats, due to being upset with the lack of follow through on his campaign promises (health care etc.).

The economy would be the main problem for Obama and the deficit spending. There are still a lot of people that are in denial about how bad it is. The next phase of the economic downturn will probably come underway early fall to winter time this year. That is when the government will be unable to continue spending due to a clear message from the world investment community.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

Originally posted by: retrospooty

That is exactly why RCP is better - it averages out tons of polls from all the major pollsters to avoid having misleading info from a "one off" poll, or pollster.

If you want misleading info - look at one poll. If you want true trending data, look at all of them and average it out.

Rasmussen was found to be most accurate of 17 polsters after election. Razzy is generally dead on. What is the point of mixing it in with polls that notoriously over count and over weight polls with Democrats?

found by who? Rasmussen?

If you want misleading info - look at one poll. If you want true trending data, look at all of them and average it out.

 

[nullzero]

Stuff like this from the Obama administration is what will drop his poll numbers fast;

http://michaelscomments.files....-unemployment-may2.gif

People don't like being lied to .

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: nullzero
Stuff like this from the Obama administration is what will drop his poll numbers fast;

http://michaelscomments.files....-unemployment-may2.gif

People don't like being lied to .

That graph is a lie and little more than propaganda, Dr. Goebbels.

Unemployment is expected to rise well into 2010 before any rebound.

So. Who's the liar, now?

 

[b2386]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: nullzero
Stuff like this from the Obama administration is what will drop his poll numbers fast;

http://michaelscomments.files....-unemployment-may2.gif

People don't like being lied to .

That graph is a lie and little more than propaganda, Dr. Goebbels.

Unemployment is expected to rise well into 2010 before any rebound.

So. Who's the liar, now?

Not that I feel like we should hold this over Obama's head either, but you do realize that chart was created by his economic team, right?

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

Originally posted by: retrospooty

That is exactly why RCP is better - it averages out tons of polls from all the major pollsters to avoid having misleading info from a "one off" poll, or pollster.

If you want misleading info - look at one poll. If you want true trending data, look at all of them and average it out.

Rasmussen was found to be most accurate of 17 polsters after election. Razzy is generally dead on. What is the point of mixing it in with polls that notoriously over count and over weight polls with Democrats?

Ras does candidate vs. candidate polling very well, however it's opinion polling is absolute garbage and reveals his political bent. This is pretty well known to people who follow this stuff, which is a group that clearly does not include you.