Originally posted by: Jessica69
Originally posted by: SirStev0
The fact that a bunch of farmers from Saudi Arabi were able to precisely attack all those buildings unaided is pretty amazing as well.
Why? Hijacking a plane isn't hard.....single individuals have done it before and successfully. A group would have a much easier time of it. Then, just fly it into soemthing. Not exactly rocket science, and the whole scenario was postulated more than once as being a possibility before it actually happened.
And to dismiss the hijackers as a bunch of farmers, despite the fact most were college educated in the U.S., is rather gingoistic.
And the reason we did this attack on ourselves?
Just to be able to get sucked into and spend $100M a day in the Vietnam-of-the-Middle-East war? A war that seems to have no end in sight and no benefit at all for the U.S.
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Every one of his ideas has been completely debunked by academics(and real engineers).
who have been debunked by others. There have been plenty of experts who have questioned how they fell.
I don't know how much I buy of either side... and there are quite a few things that don't make sense.
I find it funny that the immediate reaction is tinfoil. I doubt our government could pull off something like this and keep it this quiet. I def agree with that. The fact that a bunch of farmers from Saudi Arabi were able to precisely attack all those buildings unaided is pretty amazing as well.
What's amazing about it? Their plan was not complicated in the slightest. Hijack the most dangerous planes they could (big, fully loaded with fuel) using box-cutters and fly them into big buildings. How much LESS complicated could a plan be?
Originally posted by: cpmer
Wow!! A lot of sheep in here to afraid to open their eyes. Don't wanna believe that big brother would ever do anything bad. Just wanna thank you for being the way you are and allowing stuff like the patriot act to pass without any real problems. Also to those people complaining about government and business's not be able to keep secrets, the point of a secret is that no one knows. Sure you know about this and that different event but your a fool if you think the government doesn't have secrets that we don't know about.
Originally posted by: geno
They could've used screwdrivers, fewer moving parts than a box cutter.
Originally posted by: geno
I in no way believe any of the conspiracy theories, but the one point the tinfoil hats make from time to time is the absence of either planes' black box. Other than, "there was a lot of rubble" which is the logical explanation, why wouldn't either of them have turned up anywhere? Any chance they were destroyed in the fire / collapse?
Originally posted by: cpmer
Wow!! A lot of sheep in here to afraid to open their eyes. Don't wanna believe that big brother would ever do anything bad. Just wanna thank you for being the way you are and allowing stuff like the patriot act to pass without any real problems. Also to those people complaining about government and business's not be able to keep secrets, the point of a secret is that no one knows. Sure you know about this and that different event but your a fool if you think the government doesn't have secrets that we don't know about.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: geno
They could've used screwdrivers, fewer moving parts than a box cutter.
a blade's effectiveness is due to it's slashing nature, not stabbing.
A knife is more dangerous than a gun within a meter or two of an opponent.
Originally posted by: cpmer
Wow!! A lot of sheep in here to afraid to open their eyes. Don't wanna believe that big brother would ever do anything bad. Just wanna thank you for being the way you are and allowing stuff like the patriot act to pass without any real problems. Also to those people complaining about government and business's not be able to keep secrets, the point of a secret is that no one knows. Sure you know about this and that different event but your a fool if you think the government doesn't have secrets that we don't know about.
Originally posted by: Jessica69
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
your ridiculous. You come off as being an expert on this topic but its quite obvious to everyone that when planning a demolition your not going to rigging bombs to someones cubicle during business hours. It requires specific strategic placement that isn't lugging explosives through the conference room. Utility closets, service elevators etc etc etc etc etc etc
Unfortunately, the way the building was designed, the explosives were either attached to the outer skin or the center of the building......where the elevators are. Now, don't you think people would notice drilling sounds....or did they work for months on end just at night....and keep everyone out of the building at night?
The Towers were a unique construction in that the central core and the outer skin were the two main stress bearing areas......the interior had no columns, which is why the outer skin was so important. So, even if you blew out parts of the interior central core, the outer skin would take the stress, to a point. So you'd have to rig the skin, too.
To think otherwise is to have your head so far up your butt you have to open your mouth to fart.
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: Savij
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Jessie Ventura of wrestling fame also was a UDT vet. (UDT is underwater demolitions...and what became the current Navy SEAL program).
That given, shows the dude knows a bit about explosives and bring down structures.
-snip-
He knows how to blow things up, not the physics of how they burn/fall down.
A good shooter knows far more than just how to shoot.
UDT guys sure have to know about 'physics and how they burn/fall down,' otherwise they wouldn't really make it.
However, it doesn't mean they fully know about the subject and he's right about this issue.
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Jessica69
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
your ridiculous. You come off as being an expert on this topic but its quite obvious to everyone that when planning a demolition your not going to rigging bombs to someones cubicle during business hours. It requires specific strategic placement that isn't lugging explosives through the conference room. Utility closets, service elevators etc etc etc etc etc etc
Unfortunately, the way the building was designed, the explosives were either attached to the outer skin or the center of the building......where the elevators are. Now, don't you think people would notice drilling sounds....or did they work for months on end just at night....and keep everyone out of the building at night?
The Towers were a unique construction in that the central core and the outer skin were the two main stress bearing areas......the interior had no columns, which is why the outer skin was so important. So, even if you blew out parts of the interior central core, the outer skin would take the stress, to a point. So you'd have to rig the skin, too.
To think otherwise is to have your head so far up your butt you have to open your mouth to fart.
WHile I don't necessarily disagree with your assessment I am merely stating that rigging the building in secret was probably one of the easier steps to complete when considering the scope of this type of event. Service people are in and out of my offices all the time. I have no idea what they are working on nor do I care.
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: Savij
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Jessie Ventura of wrestling fame also was a UDT vet. (UDT is underwater demolitions...and what became the current Navy SEAL program).
That given, shows the dude knows a bit about explosives and bring down structures.
-snip-
He knows how to blow things up, not the physics of how they burn/fall down.
A good shooter knows far more than just how to shoot.
UDT guys sure have to know about 'physics and how they burn/fall down,' otherwise they wouldn't really make it.
However, it doesn't mean they fully know about the subject and he's right about this issue.
UNDERWATER demolition and strutures?
WTH? And here I was thinking that the WTC was above ground, not underwater.
Fern
Originally posted by: MisterJackson
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: geno
They could've used screwdrivers, fewer moving parts than a box cutter.
a blade's effectiveness is due to it's slashing nature, not stabbing.
A knife is more dangerous than a gun within a meter or two of an opponent.
WTF man....your breath must really stink because you seem to talk out of your ass quite a lot.
I would love to demonstrate how effective a gun can be on you "within a few meters" while you bring your knife to a gun fight.
I patiently await your "But....I'm a ninja with mad knife/hand-to-hand combat skills" reply.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Who is to say that the top 10 [of the country's demolition experts] weren't involved
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Who is to say that the top 10 [of the country's demolition experts] weren't involved
LOL
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Originally posted by: MisterJackson
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: geno
They could've used screwdrivers, fewer moving parts than a box cutter.
a blade's effectiveness is due to it's slashing nature, not stabbing.
A knife is more dangerous than a gun within a meter or two of an opponent.
WTF man....your breath must really stink because you seem to talk out of your ass quite a lot.
I would love to demonstrate how effective a gun can be on you "within a few meters" while you bring your knife to a gun fight.
I patiently await your "But....I'm a ninja with mad knife/hand-to-hand combat skills" reply.
As much as I think alkemyst is off his rocker for MOST of what he's posted in this thread. He's dead on about a knife being far more dangerous within a few meters than a gun. He's not talking about someone with the gun out, cocked, and aimed at you; but if two people are near, neither yet having readied a weapon, and they go at it. A knife wielder will get close and do damage before someone with a pistol has a chance to pull it out, aim, and fire. This simple fact gets taught to law enforcement and military personnel all the time.
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Originally posted by: MisterJackson
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: geno
They could've used screwdrivers, fewer moving parts than a box cutter.
a blade's effectiveness is due to it's slashing nature, not stabbing.
A knife is more dangerous than a gun within a meter or two of an opponent.
WTF man....your breath must really stink because you seem to talk out of your ass quite a lot.
I would love to demonstrate how effective a gun can be on you "within a few meters" while you bring your knife to a gun fight.
I patiently await your "But....I'm a ninja with mad knife/hand-to-hand combat skills" reply.
As much as I think alkemyst is off his rocker for MOST of what he's posted in this thread. He's dead on about a knife being far more dangerous within a few meters than a gun. He's not talking about someone with the gun out, cocked, and aimed at you; but if two people are near, neither yet having readied a weapon, and they go at it. A knife wielder will get close and do damage before someone with a pistol has a chance to pull it out, aim, and fire. This simple fact gets taught to law enforcement and military personnel all the time.
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Better watch out they might be putting bombs in the emergency lights so we can have a hijacked plane fly into your office, and then blow it up with controlled demolitions. You should go check it out and post back with what you find.
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: Savij
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Jessie Ventura of wrestling fame also was a UDT vet. (UDT is underwater demolitions...and what became the current Navy SEAL program).
That given, shows the dude knows a bit about explosives and bring down structures.
-snip-
He knows how to blow things up, not the physics of how they burn/fall down.
A good shooter knows far more than just how to shoot.
UDT guys sure have to know about 'physics and how they burn/fall down,' otherwise they wouldn't really make it.
However, it doesn't mean they fully know about the subject and he's right about this issue.
UNDERWATER demolition and strutures?
WTH? And here I was thinking that the WTC was above ground, not underwater.
Fern
Shows how much of a n00b you are.
EPIC LULZ @ THE NUB!!!
Oh wait WTC wasn't under water? Well fuck I look like an idiot now.
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
He's not talking about someone with the gun out, cocked, and aimed at you; but if two people are near, neither yet having readied a weapon, and they go at it. A knife wielder will get close and do damage before someone with a pistol has a chance to pull it out, aim, and fire. This simple fact gets taught to law enforcement and military personnel all the time.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Better watch out they might be putting bombs in the emergency lights so we can have a hijacked plane fly into your office, and then blow it up with controlled demolitions. You should go check it out and post back with what you find.
now you are just purposely trying to erode this thread.