internet censorship bill approved

[Modelworks]

this thread is mildly wrong, this bill was blocked after committee

http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/83999/20101119/oregon-senator-opposes-bill-to-block-sites.htm

It wasn't blocked at all. That is a news bite about 1 senator opposing it. You have 19 that voted for it and passed it. That 1 senator has to get those other 19 and their friends to go against what they just voted to pass.

 

[Modelworks]

Thread title is super misleading considering its wrong.

Wrong in what way. It was put to the judiciary committee and approved with a 19 to 0 vote. Only thing left now is the senate voting, of whom those 19 people that just voted are members.

 

[irishScott]

Wrong in what way. It was put to the judiciary committee and approved with a 19 to 0 vote. Only thing left now is the senate voting, of whom those 19 people that just voted are members.

Yes, and then the House. And then Obama. It's got a long way to go before it becomes a problem.

 

[Modelworks]

Yes, and then the House. And then Obama. It's got a long way to go before it becomes a problem.

House isn't a problem. Most of the members are cozy with the lobbyist for the groups that want this. Obama doesn't even figure into it, he will rubber stamp it without blinking. The only hope is enough senators go against it and I doubt they will since its being rushed through , trying to get it through before the year ends.

 

[DrPizza]

If we're going to try dictatorship, I volunteer.

I'll make it legal to marry anyone or anything you like, although if said thing is not human marital benefits may not apply.

I'll expand on the recent supreme court ruling and make it law that a state must at minimum have a reasonable shall-issue system to allow it's citizens to carry a concealed handgun. I'll also make restrictions on magazine capacity and the exact nature of said carry (ie: you must carry unloaded) illegal.

I'll legalize marijuana with restrictions similar to those applied to tobacco.

I'll continue to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan and make moderate cuts to military funding.

I'll reform and restrict welfare to minimize abuse.

I'll assemble an economic team of actual private industry veterans and noted economists to solve the economic crisis. There are people who know what they're talking about when it comes to this stuff, I intend to find them.

I'll come down hard on businesses that hire illegal immigrants, including a substantial boost of funds to ICE to ensure greater enforcement. I'll deploy the national guard to particularly troubled areas of the border to ensure security. One way or another, even if it's just a bigass wall, the border will be sealed. Once the border is sealed, discussion of a "path to citizenship" may begin. One option will be a minimum 5 years military service similar to the French Foreign Legion.

I will make English the national language of the United States. If you want to speak another language that's fine, but the government works in English.

and finally (for the stuff off the top of my head) I'll make Dodgeball and Tag mandatory curriculum in public schools.

If you'll make me Grand Poohbah, I'd like to add:

Roll back the drinking age.

Make driving a privilege that you earn, not a right.

edit: (I'm adding this one so I can be guaranteed the ATOT vote)
Make it a felony offense to be driving in the passing lane when you're not passing & are not moving at the flow of traffic in the passing lane.

 

[spidey07]

Yes, and then the House. And then Obama. It's got a long way to go before it becomes a problem.

It should never make out of committee, that is a problem. It means there were enough stupid people in the senate to think this is in anyway shape or form a good idea.

 

[lxskllr]

It should never make out of committee, that is a problem. It means there were enough stupid people in the senate to think this is in anyway shape or form a good idea.

Yup. This is almost on the same scale as the senate voting to reinstate slavery. You gotta wonder how it even got proposed, much less voted on.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Looks like Ron Wyden is getting a vote from me.

 

[Modelworks]

It should never make out of committee, that is a problem. It means there were enough stupid people in the senate to think this is in anyway shape or form a good idea.

That is the whole point. Now it has to be brought before the senate, and even if delayed it will likely pass in some form. Those that voted for it are some pretty big people in the senate and I can imagine they will get it through, maybe not as harsh as it is now but it will pass in some form.


Here are the senators that voted for it

• Patrick J. Leahy -- Vermont
• Herb Kohl -- Wisconsin
• Jeff Sessions -- Alabama
• Dianne Feinstein -- California
• Orrin G. Hatch -- Utah
• Russ Feingold -- Wisconsin
• Chuck Grassley -- Iowa
• Arlen Specter -- Pennsylvania
• Jon Kyl -- Arizona
• Chuck Schumer -- New York
• Lindsey Graham -- South Carolina
• Dick Durbin -- Illinois
• John Cornyn -- Texas
• Benjamin L. Cardin -- Maryland
• Tom Coburn -- Oklahoma
• Sheldon Whitehouse -- Rhode Island
• Amy Klobuchar -- Minnesota
• Al Franken -- Minnesota
• Chris Coons -- Delaware

 

[irishScott]

It should never make out of committee, that is a problem. It means there were enough stupid people in the senate to think this is in anyway shape or form a good idea.

And this is a surprise?

Don't get me wrong my weekend's relatively free, so I'll find a copy of this bill, go over it with a fine tooth comb and write a well-informed letter to my senators, and congressman if it gets that far. Unless someone's got a nice publicity strategy or viral video about it, that's about all any of us can do.

 

[Locut0s]

why does congress hate America?

These are not the issues concerning americans.

Because your congress doesn't work for the people. They work for the corporations.

 

[lxskllr]

Because your congress doesn't work for the people. They work for the corporations.

:^O

I'm shocked! How cynical of you!

:^P

 

[Xcobra]

This actually makes me angry.

 

[KDOG]

We *DO* have recourse even if the bill is passed - you can just do what I do - I do not buy CDs, I do not download any music legit or otherwise. I say don't give them ANY of your money if you don't like what they are doing.

 

[shortylickens]

Al Franken voted for it?
Thats fucking funny.

 

[Judgement]

Fuck you Chris Coons

although that batshit crazy witch would probably voted for it also

 

[BoomerD]

Originally Posted by Locut0s
Because your congress doesn't work for the people. They work for the corporations.

:^O

I'm shocked! How cynical of you!

:^P

Even if he IS right..."We the People" has been taken over by "We the Corporations."

From what little I've seen about this, I don't have any problems with it. Trying to shut down the piracy sites is a good thing IMO.

 

[lxskllr]

Even if he IS right..."We the People" has been taken over by "We the Corporations."

From what little I've seen about this, I don't have any problems with it. Trying to shut down the piracy sites is a good thing IMO.

Define "piracy site". I've used Pirate Bay for 100% legitimate material. It's convenient for uploading files for several people, and distributing the bandwidth expenditure around. The government has no business interfering with the network, and it's the same as authorizing the USPS to shit can some of your mail if they don't like the destination.

 

[BoomerD]

Define "piracy site". I've used Pirate Bay for 100% legitimate material. It's convenient for uploading files for several people, and distributing the bandwidth expenditure around. The government has no business interfering with the network, and it's the same as authorizing the USPS to shit can some of your mail if they don't like the destination.

(I realize this analogy isn't exactly accurate, but it still makes the point)

Your objection isn't much different than objecting to the government shutting down a Mafia organization because you happened to have your car repaired at a mob-owned body shop.
You happened to use one of the legitimate services from an organization who exists to break the law in one way or another.

I'm all for shutting down any organization, group, network, or ?? who exists to pirate and share pirated material.

Stealing is stealing.

 

[irishScott]

(I realize this analogy isn't exactly accurate, but it still makes the point)

Your objection isn't much different than objecting to the government shutting down a Mafia organization because you happened to have your car repaired at a mob-owned body shop.
You happened to use one of the legitimate services from an organization who exists to break the law in one way or another.

I'm all for shutting down any organization, group, network, or ?? who exists to pirate and share pirated material.

Stealing is stealing.

It's not the anti-piracy legislation I'm concerned about. It's the lack of control over what constitutes a "piracy site". I had one of my vids on youtube taken down because it used "copyrighted material". It was a parody, and therefore legal under fair use laws. However I simply lack the time and resources to fight such a charge, as challenging it basically means I have to be prepared to take it to court.

Now if the big corporations want to fuck with new, potentially competitive sites, even legal ones they have a nice tool to do so as long as the Attorney general agrees. Have fun competing with youtube when they flag your small up-and-coming streaming site as "illegal" and it takes months to get off the blacklist.

 

[dainthomas]

Here, here to the gentleman from Oregon!

People give Oregon a hard time, but at least we support free speech no matter what.

 

[MotF Bane]

If you'll make me Grand Poohbah, I'd like to add:

Roll back the drinking age.

Make driving a privilege that you earn, not a right.

edit: (I'm adding this one so I can be guaranteed the ATOT vote)
Make it a felony offense to be driving in the passing lane when you're not passing & are not moving at the flow of traffic in the passing lane.

As long as you also keep everything else he listed, you'd have my vote.