internet company cannot send 3MB email attachments, wtf?

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KingstonU

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airdata

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its funny when our owner sends out mass emails that are 3MB to all of our contacts and completely takes down our network.
 

Wyndru

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Do you mean so they can split the file into smaller sizes, and then send out multiple attachments and combine them on the other side? All of this for a cafeteria menu? And the data transfer still ends up being 3MB total unless HJ does some compression as well.

I agree HJ split is useful for some things, but I don't think it would be helpful with this particular issue.
 

Jeff7

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HJ Split is a godsend program and will forever be one of the most important programs that I will carry with me till I die.

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7-zip.
Split and compress.


(Or WinRAR, but 7-zip is entirely free.)
 

IndyColtsFan

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You need a proper archiving system where 3 month old email/attachments can go to cheap disk.

This.

We don't allow local archives. Emails are automatically archived after 60 or 90 days. This saves disk space on the email server and also preserves emails for legal purposes.
 

KentState

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That's about as bad as getting flack from the owner about needing to buy about $100k in software upgrades for servers that host a couple hundred million dollar web site. Seems a lot of people don't understand that software has a real expense just like a fork lift or rent.
 

spidey07

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That's about as bad as getting flack from the owner about needing to buy about $100k in software upgrades for servers that host a couple hundred million dollar web site. Seems a lot of people don't understand that software has a real expense just like a fork lift or rent.

But I already paid for that software, I'm not going to pay for upgrades to software that hasn't been fully depreciated yet!

<---runs

OP - large attachments to large distributions groups can cripple e-mail systems, storage and network bandwidth. It's is never a good idea to allow it.
 

OutHouse

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I asked him why they could not send out a text file with the menu or a link to the internal website with the menu. He did not really answer that question. I cannot believe the VP lets his own employees get away with being lazy and not coming up with a proepr solution to the server space issue.

i just spent 3 weeks of hell upgrading our exchange 2003 servers to exchange 2010 for the exact same reason as you are bitching about. its clear you have no idea how mail stores work.
 

OutHouse

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This.

We don't allow local archives. Emails are automatically archived after 60 or 90 days. This saves disk space on the email server and also preserves emails for legal purposes.

this is my next action item and its going to be a huge culture shock and im sure people are going to want to tar and feather me.

yes a .alluser email will go out letting people know about this change before i flip the switch.
 

IndyColtsFan

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this is my next action item and its going to be a huge culture shock and im sure people are going to want to tar and feather me.

yes a .alluser email will go out letting people know about this change before i flip the switch.

The most time consuming piece is sucking in all the email from their local archive files. Once that's done, it is pretty transparent for the user -- depending on the archive software you're using, of course.
 

OutHouse

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I am blaming IT for their poor decision to just stop all digital copies of the menu. Yes this should never have been emailed out but it has been emailed for a couple years or more. IT should have said we will start emailing a link to it or we will update the intranet each week with with a new menu but since they did neither i am saying they failed. And yes it is only a cafeteria menu but if they cannot get that right how are they going to handle the important stuff.

Oh wait we already moved to a new building and underestimated the parking capacity needed and forget one complete department in the move so that department was moved a week late and still had the old ugly cubes.

booo fucking hooo. get over yourself.

what exactly do you do at your company anyway?
 

IndyColtsFan

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And yes it is only a cafeteria menu but if they cannot get that right how are they going to handle the important stuff.

You don't understand -- it is PRECISELY because a cafeteria menu is completely unimportant that IT hasn't messed with it until it became an issue. Trust me, if your IT department is like most, it is understaffed and underfunded and they are going to be working on actual, important business issues and not worry about silly stuff like cafeteria menus until or unless it becomes an issue. Yes, someone in IT probably should've told the guy who emailed the menu to knock it off years ago, but they probably looked the other way while it wasn't an issue.
 
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OutHouse

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The most time consuming piece is sucking in all the email from their local archive files. Once that's done, it is pretty transparent for the user -- depending on the archive software you're using, of course.

yes some users have like 6gb pst files. its going to be chaos when we let them know that PST files will be going bye-bye.
 

Exterous

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Yes, someone in IT probably should've told the guy who emailed the menu to knock it off years ago, but they probably looked the other way while it wasn't an issue.

Or didn't have the backing necessary to force the change. Most IT departments know the proper way to do things but that is a far far cry from actually being able to do them that way
 

IndyColtsFan

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Or didn't have the backing necessary to force the change. Most IT departments know the proper way to do things but that is a far far cry from actually being able to do them that way

That's right. Maybe Mr. Menu Emailer reported to the CEO's best pal and IT just didn't want to fight the battle.
 

MixMasterTang

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I didnt read through the whole thread, but if you are on any version of exchange (2000,2003 etc.) the database only stores 1 copy of the attachment per mailbox store and just places pointers in everyones mailbox. So if you email 1000 people all in your company an attachment that is 3mb, the total utilized space will be 3mb x the number of exchange mailbox stores (im sure its only 5-10 at most)
 

IndyColtsFan

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I didnt read through the whole thread, but if you are on any version of exchange (2000,2003 etc.) the database only stores 1 copy of the attachment per mailbox store and just places pointers in everyones mailbox. So if you email 1000 people all in your company an attachment that is 3mb, the total utilized space will be 3mb x the number of exchange mailbox stores (im sure its only 5-10 at most)

That was my first thought as well, but apparently that changed in Exchange 2007 and SIS is no longer used.
 

JimKiler

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booo fucking hooo. get over yourself.

what exactly do you do at your company anyway?

why would you say that? It is ironic that an internet tech company cannot find a solution to a simple issue like a lunch menu.
 

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