internet company cannot send 3MB email attachments, wtf?

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vshah

Lifer
Sep 20, 2003
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Easier said than done. You have to setup a server/VM or w/e, put the file on it, then have the network guys forward the port to it. You will need to rip through so much red tape just to do this. It's really sad when you think about it but that's what it is.

Unless upper management thinks you need it, chances are you wont get it.

its inconceivable that an ISP doesn't have some sort of employee portal /intranet site set up already. adding this menu there would be trivial.
 

FoBoT

No Lifer
Apr 30, 2001
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email attachments are evil
you should only email a link to the file, then others can retrieve the file from a web server
 

IndyColtsFan

Lifer
Sep 22, 2007
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I work for an internet company and we have over $100 million in annual revenue. Anyway they sent an email out stating they could no longer email the cafeteria menu to all employees since the 3MB attachment is too large for our exchange servers which are running out of space.

I have personally sent attachments in our email that are over 20MB all the time. So the solution to this issue is for them to put the menu in the cafeteria and stop sending out the weekly menu.

How incompentent does that make my company look?

The fact that your company allowed 3 MB cafeteria menus to be emailed at all makes them look incompetent. You don't have an intranet?

I asked him why they could not send out a text file with the menu or a link to the internal website with the menu.

Why would you need to email the link to everyone? Employees should be checking the intranet for non-critical information like a menu.

He did not really answer that question. I cannot believe the VP lets his own employees get away with being lazy and not coming up with a proepr solution to the server space issue.

You don't just slap a couple of drives into an Exchange server to add space. There are many variables to such an expansion and like most IT departments, yours has probably had its budget slashed over the years and they're looking towards a larger upgrade project rather than an expansion now. Depending on the timeframe involved, it might be a reasonable decision. Silly stuff like menus should NOT be emailed to every employee in the company, even though with single-instance store, it should theoretically only consume 3 MB each time it is mailed out, regardless of the number of employees receiving it.
 

IndyColtsFan

Lifer
Sep 22, 2007
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Wow, how many levels of fail is this?

By my count, at least three:

1. Company allows large, non business-critical emails to be sent to every employee.
2. Company apparently has intranet but people can't figure out how to post menus to it.
3. OP blames IT for something that should never have been allowed.
 

IndyColtsFan

Lifer
Sep 22, 2007
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Well I could see the problem with everyone in the company getting the same 3MB attachment and never deleting it, just sitting in their inbox on the server forever... Though seems like they could just send a link to view it online or text only.

So other 3MB+ attachments are still allowed right? Seems like the menu distribution was just rather inefficient to begin with ...

The last I knew, Exchange utilized single-instance storage so in theory, if these mailboxes are in the same store, a 3 MB attachment will consume 3 MB of space (discounting any compression) regardless if 1 person received it or 1000. However, they still shouldn't be sending non-critical files like that through email.
 

xSauronx

Lifer
Jul 14, 2000
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I work for an internet company and we have over $100 million in annual revenue. Anyway they sent an email out stating they could no longer email the cafeteria menu to all employees since the 3MB attachment is too large for our exchange servers which are running out of space.

I have personally sent attachments in our email that are over 20MB all the time. So the solution to this issue is for them to put the menu in the cafeteria and stop sending out the weekly menu.

How incompentent does that make my company look?

very, for not having a sharepoint or intranet site to post the menu to.

some asshole where i work wants to send out the newsletter in a multi megabyte pdf every month...look fuckers, put it online and email a link.
 

IndyColtsFan

Lifer
Sep 22, 2007
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Easier said than done. You have to setup a server/VM or w/e, put the file on it, then have the network guys forward the port to it. You will need to rip through so much red tape just to do this. It's really sad when you think about it but that's what it is.

Err -- what? He said they do have an intranet, so no additional setup is necessary.
 

yinan

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Jan 12, 2007
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Exchange doesnt do SIS anymore. Since storage was so cheap and fast MS decided to go for speed over space savings. But yes this is not a bad thing because this never should have been allowed to happen in the first plac. Employees think that their inbox on the COMPANY's Exchange server is there when it is not.
 

rh71

No Lifer
Aug 28, 2001
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no offense but your VP is probably laughing at this being brought to his attention. It's a cafeteria menu. Wait till there's a more serious issue about large attachments and it affects his bottom line. Or make it up.
 

IndyColtsFan

Lifer
Sep 22, 2007
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Exchange doesnt do SIS anymore. Since storage was so cheap and fast MS decided to go for speed over space savings. But yes this is not a bad thing because this never should have been allowed to happen in the first plac. Employees think that their inbox on the COMPANY's Exchange server is there when it is not.

Ah, thanks for the info. It has been a few years since I was an Exchange admin and I haven't kept up on the changes.
 

vshah

Lifer
Sep 20, 2003
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no offense but your VP is probably laughing at this being brought to his attention. It's a cafeteria menu. Wait till there's a more serious issue about large attachments and it affects his bottom line. Or make it up.

imagine how much space is being wasted on the exchange server by this and other similar emails.

for a 1000 person company, with weekly menu emails, that's 156 gigs a year. say this has been going on for 5 years, that's 780 GIGS of space wasted by a MENU.

that alone would have prevented space issues they're having.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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what kind of internet company email menu as attachment? Ever heard of url?
 

VinylxScratches

Golden Member
Feb 2, 2009
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Well, in Exchange 2007 and 2010, emailing a 3MB attachment to the whole company means each person gets it. Exchange 2003 had it where there was only one instance of the file. Probably makes sense to stop it.
 

Mark R

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Oct 9, 1999
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Heh. Our mailbox limit at work is 5MB. Go over that, and no incoming or outgoing e-mail for you.

Also, we don't have "personal" PCs, so there's no way to archive e-mails to a personal folder. All the PCs are shared, on a "first-come, first-served" basis.

Essentially, if you don't delete all your e-mail by the end of the day, colleagues and clients that need to e-mail you could find their e-mails bouncing!!
 

JimKiler

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Oct 10, 2002
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By my count, at least three:

1. Company allows large, non business-critical emails to be sent to every employee.
2. Company apparently has intranet but people can't figure out how to post menus to it.
3. OP blames IT for something that should never have been allowed.

I am blaming IT for their poor decision to just stop all digital copies of the menu. Yes this should never have been emailed out but it has been emailed for a couple years or more. IT should have said we will start emailing a link to it or we will update the intranet each week with with a new menu but since they did neither i am saying they failed. And yes it is only a cafeteria menu but if they cannot get that right how are they going to handle the important stuff.

Oh wait we already moved to a new building and underestimated the parking capacity needed and forget one complete department in the move so that department was moved a week late and still had the old ugly cubes.
 

Fayd

Diamond Member
Jun 28, 2001
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I work for an internet company and we have over $100 million in annual revenue. Anyway they sent an email out stating they could no longer email the cafeteria menu to all employees since the 3MB attachment is too large for our exchange servers which are running out of space.

I have personally sent attachments in our email that are over 20MB all the time. So the solution to this issue is for them to put the menu in the cafeteria and stop sending out the weekly menu.

How incompentent does that make my company look?

I actually talked to the VP of IT and called him on this and he said the servers are full and until we get to exchange 2010 and force 2GB mailbox limits there is no room. Today we have lots of employees using their mailbox as their archive instead of creating an archive file on their local PC.

I asked him why they could not send out a text file with the menu or a link to the internal website with the menu. He did not really answer that question. I cannot believe the VP lets his own employees get away with being lazy and not coming up with a proepr solution to the server space issue.

it's absolutely ridiculous to batch send a 3mb attachment that has no need for security.

just host the menu on a website, send out links to it.

why in gods name is this so tough?
 

Lifted

Diamond Member
Nov 30, 2004
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it's absolutely ridiculous to batch send a 3mb attachment that has no need for security.

just host the menu on a website, send out links to it.

why in gods name is this so tough?

And if that's too much work just dump it in a share on a file server and email a link to it.
 

MotionMan

Lifer
Jan 11, 2006
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Why does the entire company need to know the cafeteria menu in the first place?

MotionMan
 

JimKiler

Diamond Member
Oct 10, 2002
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Update, today we got an email with an external link with the menu. They even recommended us to bookmark it. Hooray! This is all i wanted a digital copy of the menu which they did not provide originally.
 

TechBoyJK

Lifer
Oct 17, 2002
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Other options:
- Scanned and plopped right into a PDF. (Bonus points if they've embedded a bitmap.)
- Saved at 4000dpi, using stroked text instead of a font.
- The pictures haven't been downsampled when the document was saved.
- If it's PDF, the document software doesn't support any kind of compression. Adobe Acrobat Professional has a nice Reduce File Size feature, which can give some good results, depending of course on the content of the file.




If you mail someone a 3TB drive full of data, and it takes 3 full days to get there, that's a transfer rate of 11,574,074 bytes per second.

I think I'm going to start a new ISP. I'll do 2-day shipping on 10-packs of 3TB hard drives.
The pingtimes are terrible, but the net transfer rates are amazing.
I remember reading about an African Country that had spent millions running a fiber backbone for transfering large files of military information. One of the leaders of the project was up in arms at the cost, and had some comparison of the transfer rates using carrier pigeons. He basically used 8GB SD cards carried by pigeons and figured out it would cost 1/10th the price of the fiber line if they used carrier pigeons. And that by using large capacity cards it would take about the same time.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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I remember reading about an African Country that had spent millions running a fiber backbone for transfering large files of military information. One of the leaders of the project was up in arms at the cost, and had some comparison of the transfer rates using carrier pigeons. He basically used 8GB SD cards carried by pigeons and figured out it would cost 1/10th the price of the fiber line if they used carrier pigeons. And that by using large capacity cards it would take about the same time.

pigeons get eaten. Also did he factor in the copying of the data to the sd cards?
 

Wyndru

Diamond Member
Apr 9, 2009
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We have the same policy in our Groupwise environment. Any emails to all staff cannot contain attachments. They must email it to us and we host it on the intranet. This has alleviated storage capacity issues for us.
 

Exterous

Super Moderator
Jun 20, 2006
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You don't just slap a couple of drives into an Exchange server to add space.

Ugh - I still run into that all the time. "What do you mean out of space on the SAN/File Server/Exchange Server? I can go down to Best Buy and buy a 2tb drive for $100." Yes - because thats exactly the same thing

imagine how much space is being wasted on the exchange server by this and other similar emails.

for a 1000 person company, with weekly menu emails, that's 156 gigs a year. say this has been going on for 5 years, that's 780 GIGS of space wasted by a MENU.

that alone would have prevented space issues they're having.

That was my thought esp given how bad everyone seems to be about mailbox size and the absolute horror people experience when they are told their mailbox is too big and they need to delete some things

I remember reading about an African Country that had spent millions running a fiber backbone for transfering large files of military information. One of the leaders of the project was up in arms at the cost, and had some comparison of the transfer rates using carrier pigeons. He basically used 8GB SD cards carried by pigeons and figured out it would cost 1/10th the price of the fiber line if they used carrier pigeons. And that by using large capacity cards it would take about the same time.

I knew Jeff7s idea sounded familiar. That was an awesome story
 
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