Internet Connection Speeds...

[freegeeks]

have no intention to argue. fact is, that in America the broadband and connection speeds are higher along with a lower price. can you argue with that? can you prove me wrong? a better conenction is possible since the roots and foundation are already there, but for your ISP in Belgium it will be by far harder to provide you with on par speeds like those offered in America, not to mention for a fair price.
If you could have a map of the entire world (with relations to internet activities) on your desk, the USA would look like a gigantic red spot where all the centered activity is taking place. the longer the distance between you and America - the lower activity is recorded coupled with lower speeds and higher pings.
As I said before, the content that Mr J. Smith gets while surfing the web is mostly routed via America.
Imagine a lot of dots on the globe, many of which are connected between themselves while most links rest between America and massive "checkpoints" trough which traffic is routed to every part of our planet.

LOL

dude, you seriously have no idea what you are talking about
stop posting because you look like a total moron
you have totally no idea how traffic is routed through the internet and you have no idea how a backbone from a telco or isp looks like.

it's all about the last mile, that's why Belgium is top 5 in the world when it comes to broadband
I have a 4600m / 256k adsl for 35 euro. You can have a 10mbit VDSL for 50 euro here. We are a dense populated country and the copper (last mile) between the customer and the CO is only a few km most of the times making it possible to syncronise xdsl modems at high bitrates.

If you look at the top 5 broadband countries then they are almost all densily populated countries (Denmark, Korea, The Netherlands, Sweden, ...) because it's much easier to provide broadband in these countries because of the "easy" access to the homes.

 

[SWScorch]

2004-12-28 12:47:04 EST: 7553 / 6805
Your download speed : 7734674 bps, or 7553 kbps.
A 944.1 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 6968641 bps, or 6805 kbps.

I'm at work; don't know what kind of connection. At home I get ~3Mbps/300Kbps, at college, it's a T3, so I've seen download speeds of over 3 MB/s.

 

[Trente]

Do you agree that your ping to major sites around the globe (most of which are in the USA and that is inevitable) will most likely be poor compared to the American surfer?

Do you agree that the number of hops you are routed through to get major sites around the globe (most of which are in the USA and that is inevitable) will most likely be higher compared to the American surfer?

HEY PEOPLE, LET'S PUT THIS TO A TEST!

 

[FrustratedUser]

3000 down / 275 up.

 

[Chronoshock]

At home, 3000 down/256 up
At school, 40000+ down/40000+ up

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: blurredvision
Just got Adelphia's 4Mb/512Kb yesterday. According to various tests, it seems as if most of the time I'm getting right at 4Mbps on great servers, and I'm well over my upload at around 600Kbps. I'm happy with it so far. It's a nice jump over Bellsouth DSL, which I just go rid of. Had their 3Mb/384Kb service, and was only realistically pulling down 2.2Mbps.

I got adelphia too. Is this a new plan?

 

[imported_Phil]

Originally posted by: Trente
Do you agree that your ping to major sites around the globe (most of which are in the USA and that is inevitable) will most likely be poor compared to the American surfer?

Do you agree that the number of hops you are routed through to get major sites around the globe (most of which are in the USA and that is inevitable) will most likely be higher compared to the American surfer?

HEY PEOPLE, LET'S PUT THIS TO A TEST!

No. You're a complete moron.

I will have lower pings to UK sites than US surfers. Belgium will have lower pings to sites in Belgium than US surfers.

I would say stop posting, but you're entertaining. Please, keep up the insanity.

 

[phillx800]

Have I started a war here or something???!? People please calm down!! This is only the internet who cares!?!?!?!?

Its not all that darn important you know.. I only wanted speeds, not death!!

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Trente
Do you agree that your ping to major sites around the globe (most of which are in the USA and that is inevitable) will most likely be poor compared to the American surfer?

Do you agree that the number of hops you are routed through to get major sites around the globe (most of which are in the USA and that is inevitable) will most likely be higher compared to the American surfer?

HEY PEOPLE, LET'S PUT THIS TO A TEST!

1)you are saying that the internet isn't a decentralized network and that the center of the net is the US
you were proven wrong
2)then you are saying something about broadband and Belgium
you were proven wrong AGAIN

now you are trying to prove that your ping to your favourite CS game server is lower then when I ping
to an US server

what is there to prove? your ping is indeed lower but that's it

maybe you can ping to Belgian server and then I can prove that the centre of the INTARWEB is in Belgium

LOL

keep posting, you are pure entertainment

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: Dopefiend

Originally posted by: phillx800

Originally posted by: DopefiendEver heard of Sweden? :roll:

Am I missing something here?

Yeah, Sweden has 10mbit/sec down and up connections, with 100mbit/sec connections available in people's homes.

I was pointing out to Trente that, contrary to his obvious beliefs, not everything outside of the almighty USA is backwards :roll:

Daumn, time to move back

 

[Gusty987]

1300 down 300 up

SBC Yahoo! DSL

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: Trente

there is no nerve centre on the internet. That's just the point of the internet. It's a decentralized network that was supposed to survive a nuclear war IN THE US.

Fixed.

My point is - as your sig also suggests - that the internet was American at first, and later on became world wide. as much as you'd want the internet to become a decentralized network, it's not gonna happen. the foundations & roots are American and shall always remain American, unless a new network is established with the intention and idea of making it decentralized from the start. the fact that the internet was born American is inevitable, unfortunately. I also would like to note that I, myself, am not an American, so I have no interest or favour in the issue

Bwaaaahahahahahha, WTF dude! Let me have some of what you're smoking. Hahahahaha
If the US were unplugged from the Internet, the internet would still work just fine.
I'm not going to argue about ARPANET, where it all started way back.

OMG, you're funny.

 

[TitanDiddly]

3000k down, not sure on up.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: Trente

there is no nerve centre on the internet. That's just the point of the internet. It's a decentralized network that was supposed to survive a nuclear war IN THE US.

Fixed.

My point is - as your sig also suggests - that the internet was American at first, and later on became world wide. as much as you'd want the internet to become a decentralized network, it's not gonna happen. the foundations & roots are American and shall always remain American, unless a new network is established with the intention and idea of making it decentralized from the start. the fact that the internet was born American is inevitable, unfortunately. I also would like to note that I, myself, am not an American, so I have no interest or favour in the issue

Bwaaaahahahahahha, WTF dude! Let me have some of what you're smoking. Hahahahaha
If the US were unplugged from the Internet, the internet would still work just fine.
I'm not going to argue about ARPANET, where it all started way back.

OMG, you're funny.

don't scare hem away, I need a good laugh

 

[randal]

At work, 155mbps up & down (have 2x OC-3, but I can only use one OC-3 at a time), at the cybercafe, 6mbps by 4mbps (Adelphia Small Business Premier), at home, 3mbps by 1mbps (Adelphia Premier).

Incredibly enough, I've hit 80mbps to FilePlanet. In state (on fiber) I can hit 120mbps without a problem.

 

[phillx800]

Originally posted by: randal
At work, 155mbps up & down (have 2x OC-3, but I can only use one OC-3 at a time), at the cybercafe, 6mbps by 4mbps (Adelphia Small Business Premier), at home, 3mbps by 1mbps (Adelphia Premier).

Incredibly enough, I've hit 80mbps to FilePlanet. In state (on fiber) I can hit 120mbps without a problem.

that is quite literally amazing....

 

[Trente]

All I am saying is that major sites on the internet are mostly located in America. Do you agree with me?

I'll say this again: MOST MAJOR SITES ARE IN THE USA. you are a British/Belgian on a major American hardware site. the most popular hardware sites out there are American = major sites in this specific field are in USA. so far so good?

same goes for other fields. America is the most influential country in the world in most fields - and I only gave one tiny example. do you agree?

if so, then you can say the same about the internet: the most "influential" (please notice the "") websites are American. so far so good?

An American person will be able to enjoy a better surfing experience because he is routed better to MOST MAJOR sites; routing does affect even a simple task of surfing. that is why native sites load faster. do you agree?

if so, then you agree with the fact that your ISP has a better routing in your country than outside the country. same goes for the other side: if an American is surfing to a European site, it is obvious that you guys who are located in Europe will be able to load it faster. so far so good?

BTW, no need to call anyone moron here. we are arguing and that is fine. I stick with my LOGICAL say.

 

[randal]

Originally posted by: phillx800

Originally posted by: randal
At work, 155mbps up & down (have 2x OC-3, but I can only use one OC-3 at a time), at the cybercafe, 6mbps by 4mbps (Adelphia Small Business Premier), at home, 3mbps by 1mbps (Adelphia Premier).

Incredibly enough, I've hit 80mbps to FilePlanet. In state (on fiber) I can hit 120mbps without a problem.

that is quite literally amazing....

well, somebody has to serve up the content faster than you guys can download it -- and when the home user has 3+ mbps connections, well, we have to have that much more

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: randal
At work, 155mbps up & down (have 2x OC-3, but I can only use one OC-3 at a time), at the cybercafe, 6mbps by 4mbps (Adelphia Small Business Premier), at home, 3mbps by 1mbps (Adelphia Premier).

Incredibly enough, I've hit 80mbps to FilePlanet. In state (on fiber) I can hit 120mbps without a problem.

Daumn :Q

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: Trente
All I am saying is that major sites on the internet are mostly located in America. Do you agree with me?

I'll say this again: MOST MAJOR SITES ARE IN THE USA. you are a British/Belgian on a major American hardware site. the most popular hardware sites out there are American = major sites in this specific field are in USA. so far so good?

same goes for other fields. America is the most influential country in the world in most fields - and I only gave one tiny example. do you agree?

if so, then you can say the same about the internet: the most "influential" (please notice the "") websites are American. so far so good?

An American person will be able to enjoy a better surfing experience because he is routed better to MOST MAJOR sites; routing does affect even a simple task of surfing. that is why native sites load faster. do you agree?

if so, then you agree with the fact that your ISP has a better routing in your country than outside the country. same goes for the other side: if an American is surfing to a European site, it is obvious that you guys who are located in Europe will be able to load it faster. so far so good?

BTW, no need to call anyone moron here. we are arguing and that is fine. I stick with my LOGICAL say.

First, define 'major' sites.
Second, you are saying that the closer the server is to you the better connection you get. Well if I'm on a 10Mbit line (in Sweden) and you are on a 1Mbit line (in US) and we both visit CNN.com, I am sure as hell going to load the site faster than you, unless CNN is bogged down.

 

[randal]

Bwaaaahahahahahha, WTF dude! Let me have some of what you're smoking. Hahahahaha
If the US were unplugged from the Internet, the internet would still work just fine.
I'm not going to argue about ARPANET, where it all started way back.

OMG, you're funny.

If the USA went 100% dark the internet would be critically damaged. Sure, local things like europe and such would work, but a lot of the transit around the globe would go down for a long while -- a lot of asia uplinks to California, Europe does the majority of it's uplinking to USA's east coast. Not to mention that quite a lot of services, in particular DNS, have the majority of their servers in the USA. So yea, the internet might work at large, but a ridiculous amount of content & accessibility would be lost.

$.02

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Trente
All I am saying is that major sites on the internet are mostly located in America. Do you agree with me?

I'll say this again: MOST MAJOR SITES ARE IN THE USA. you are a British/Belgian on a major American hardware site. the most popular hardware sites out there are American = major sites in this specific field are in USA. so far so good?

same goes for other fields. America is the most influential country in the world in most fields - and I only gave one tiny example. do you agree?

if so, then you can say the same about the internet: the most "influential" (please notice the "") websites are American. so far so good?

An American person will be able to enjoy a better surfing experience because he is routed better to MOST MAJOR sites; routing does affect even a simple task of surfing. that is why native sites load faster. do you agree?

if so, then you agree with the fact that your ISP has a better routing in your country than outside the country. same goes for the other side: if an American is surfing to a European site, it is obvious that you guys who are located in Europe will be able to load it faster. so far so good?

BTW, no need to call anyone moron here. we are arguing and that is fine. I stick with my LOGICAL say.

yeah,

I'm sure that the 30ms seconds in ping difference will significantly decrease my surf experience on anandtech,

:roll:

keep going :thumbsup:

can you give another quote about the "centralized" internet, please

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: randal

Bwaaaahahahahahha, WTF dude! Let me have some of what you're smoking. Hahahahaha
If the US were unplugged from the Internet, the internet would still work just fine.
I'm not going to argue about ARPANET, where it all started way back.

OMG, you're funny.

If the USA went 100% dark the internet would be critically damaged. Sure, local things like europe and such would work, but a lot of the transit around the globe would go down for a long while -- a lot of asia uplinks to California, Europe does the majority of it's uplinking to USA's east coast. Not to mention that quite a lot of services, in particular DNS, have the majority of their servers in the USA. So yea, the internet might work at large, but a ridiculous amount of content & accessibility would be lost.

$.02

no doubt but the internet an sich would still work because that's it supposed to do

 

[randal]

First, define 'major' sites.
Second, you are saying that the closer the server is to you the better connection you get. Well if I'm on a 10Mbit line (in Sweden) and you are on a 1Mbit line (in US) and we both visit CNN.com, I am sure as hell going to load the site faster than you, unless CNN is bogged down.

Nah, if I'm 10 hops from CNN on a "broadband" (1+mbps) line, and you're 25 hops and an ocean away, CNN will *definitely* load faster locally, despite the fact that you may have 402 DS3s hooked up to your computer.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: randal

First, define 'major' sites.
Second, you are saying that the closer the server is to you the better connection you get. Well if I'm on a 10Mbit line (in Sweden) and you are on a 1Mbit line (in US) and we both visit CNN.com, I am sure as hell going to load the site faster than you, unless CNN is bogged down.

Nah, if I'm 10 hops from CNN on a "broadband" (1+mbps) line, and you're 25 hops and an ocean away, CNN will *definitely* load faster locally, despite the fact that you may have 402 DS3s hooked up to your computer.

the difference between 0,5 and 0,8 seconds

that is the "surfing" experience Trente is talking about

the dude acts like he is connected with his brains to the intarweb backbone through an STM-4 while claiming that the internet is a centralized network :roll: