Internet speeds

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: orchiduk

Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
if your a gamer, cable is a must, in new games youll get owned by someone with a 5 meg connection, and with DSL youll still get lag in some servers.....

gotta love the speed, and just try to ignore the price :-(

Sorry, but that's a load. on so many levels.

Ya, WAY off..

<--- Check his name..
:Q

 

[Painman]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but on cable aren't you still sharing bandwidth with all your Pr0n and w4r3z downloading neighbors? A good DSL line gives you low latency and your bandwidth is yours... 256Kbit ought to be plenty fat enough of a pipe for gaming.

Check into Verizon Online if it's in your area, they just dropped the price of my 3 Mbps line to $29.95/mo :Q

 

[wickedone]

You are right you share your conection that is why If they offered cabel and DSL in a appartment Complex I would go for DSL for sure, also you can till a difrence in conection speed at peak hours on cabel. DSl has it problems to I read that either you get a good conection or you dont. also the distantec from the hub you are coneting to makes a difrence in DSl no more than 1 mile is requiered. At one point weather you are on DSl cabel It wont matter because every one with a DSl, Cabel, Dial up and T-1 - T-3 may be tring to go threw the same band with you are and the server you are hitting can only take so many request.

 

[wchou]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
My comcast does 4mb but i am dropping it for dsl at 1.5 to 3 because comcast is 45 bucks and SBC is 29.

get on their 6 month promotion of 19.95 then 45 afterward but you can always do it again for 19.95. This deal use to be for a year! as you know its all about jerking you around and making your life a living hell

 

[Painman]

Originally posted by: wickedone
You are right you share your conection that is why If they offered cabel and DSL in a appartment Complex I would go for DSL for sure, also you can till a difrence in conection speed at peak hours on cabel. DSl has it problems to I read that either you get a good conection or you dont. also the distantec from the hub you are coneting to makes a difrence in DSl no more than 1 mile is requiered. At one point weather you are on DSl cabel It wont matter because every one with a DSl, Cabel, Dial up and T-1 - T-3 may be tring to go threw the same band with you are and the server you are hitting can only take so many request.

I was at 768k w/Verizon for several years and they recently added repeaters to the local lines... I'm definitely more than a mile from the CO, I forget exactly how far. I'm surprised they did as much as they did around here, my town's not exactly a backwater, but it's not where I would have expected Verizon to spend a bunch of money on infrastructure.

I definitely notice now what you speak of re: servers... a lot of servers cap me at around 250 KB/sec on downloading, others let my line rip well up into the 300 KB range. It's all much better than the ~90 KB/sec I was limited to before.

 

[wickedone]

ok thanks on the update on distance that is what I was told by Bell south around a year ago when I was checking to see if i could get there service .

 

[dheffer]

since when did dsl give you some awful ping when playing online? thats retarded

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: Painman
Correct me if I'm wrong, but on cable aren't you still sharing bandwidth with all your Pr0n and w4r3z downloading neighbors? A good DSL line gives you low latency and your bandwidth is yours... 256Kbit ought to be plenty fat enough of a pipe for gaming.

Check into Verizon Online if it's in your area, they just dropped the price of my 3 Mbps line to $29.95/mo :Q

Most cable companies now have enough nodes per neighborhood/area that it doesn't become a problem.

I have had Cox Cable for almost 2 years and it's ALWAYS giving me 4Mbit's ( 3mbits before they upgraded )

 

[ksuWildcat]

Originally posted by: bjc112

Originally posted by: Painman
Correct me if I'm wrong, but on cable aren't you still sharing bandwidth with all your Pr0n and w4r3z downloading neighbors? A good DSL line gives you low latency and your bandwidth is yours... 256Kbit ought to be plenty fat enough of a pipe for gaming.

Check into Verizon Online if it's in your area, they just dropped the price of my 3 Mbps line to $29.95/mo :Q

Most cable companies now have enough nodes per neighborhood/area that it doesn't become a problem.

I have had Cox Cable for almost 2 years and it's ALWAYS giving me 4Mbit's ( 3mbits before they upgraded )

I too have Cox, for about 4 years now and I couldn't be happier (unless I had fiber LOL). It is much faster than the 256k DSL at work. No comparison. Although, it costs me a pretty penny. On the bright-side, I get peak download speeds over 1 MB/s and sustained download speeds in excess of 600 KB/s. Ping is usually less than 50 for most game servers.

But since the OP can't get cable, I'd go with the DSL connection. Way better than dial-up, that's for sure.

 

[Stan]

bandwidth doesnt equal low latency.

My mom had Charter cable (~1mbit?) and I used to get 40-50 pings on most Counterstrike Servers.

At my college we have 10mbit and pings are 200-300ms.

At my house I have a deticated T1 (1.5) and get 50-60 pings.

My DSL circuit (128k) at my house I get ~70-80 pings.

It all depends

 

[ksuWildcat]

Originally posted by: Stan
bandwidth doesnt equal low latency.

My mom had Charter cable (~1mbit?) and I used to get 40-50 pings on most Counterstrike Servers.

At my college we have 10mbit and pings are 200-300ms.

At my house I have a deticated T1 (1.5) and get 50-60 pings.

My DSL circuit (128k) at my house I get ~70-80 pings.

It all depends

Very true. Around these parts, cable seems to have both slightly lower latency and a lot higher throughput than DSL, at least through SBC. But it is relative.

 

[imported_fatal]

Originally posted by: Painman
Correct me if I'm wrong, but on cable aren't you still sharing bandwidth with all your Pr0n and w4r3z downloading neighbors? A good DSL line gives you low latency and your bandwidth is yours... 256Kbit ought to be plenty fat enough of a pipe for gaming.

Check into Verizon Online if it's in your area, they just dropped the price of my 3 Mbps line to $29.95/mo :Q

All connections are shared- DSL or cable. Thats the same BS the DSL providers have been saying for years beacuse they have a slower connection

 

[Ike0069]

Originally posted by: fatal
All connections are shared- DSL or cable. Thats the same BS the DSL providers have been saying for years beacuse they have a slower connection

Yes it's shared because they do not run a seperate cable for every house, but it's not the same as cable. Too many people on a single node WILL slow down connection speeds. Yet DSL has no such limitations.

DSL biggest problem is that 18000 line ft. is all it can handle, whereas cable does not have a restriction on line ft. Therefore phone comapnies must set up a lot more CO's which gets very expensive. And if you are greater than 10,000 ft. or so from a CO, you likely won't be able to get their fastest speed. You may be only able to get 1.5 Mbps vice 3.0. And near the end of the line, you may be looking at closer to 500K max.

 

[Jelly]

Great. I only got to see this today, goddamn unreliable internet. I check Verizon Broadband, and I live in Falcon, Colorado. Where? So it looks like verizon would only be able to offer 60-144 kbs for me. But the DSL report sounds great, just the fact that its no longer "Wireless Radio, or no internet" means a lot to me. Thanks

 

[chaudharymic]

Yes, cable is choked at the node when there is congestion, but DSL is choked at the connection to the backbone.
DSL will be the way to go over what you have now. But move into an area with FIOS would be best

 

[formulav8]

I have Earthlink Cable (Same as Brighthouse RR with slight routing changes in very few cases) I pay $42/month for 5mbps/384kbps up. They really need to up the upload speeds. I guess the cost is more for a company to have faster upload speeds more so than download speeds??

Anyways, I am very pleased overall with Earthlink cable. I download on average around 620/MBytes per second or 4960/mbps. So, I get very close to the advertised download speeds of 5mbps.

I would definitely have Cable over DSL if there is a choice. I had Bellsouth DSL and it was ok. Advertised at 1.5mbps. Actual was about 1200mbps. It also costs $50 plus tax/fees. Cable is $42 including everything. So, it is definitely the better choice all around.



Jason

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Originally posted by: Jelly
Great. I only got to see this today, goddamn unreliable internet. I check Verizon Broadband, and I live in Falcon, Colorado. Where? So it looks like verizon would only be able to offer 60-144 kbs for me. But the DSL report sounds great, just the fact that its no longer "Wireless Radio, or no internet" means a lot to me. Thanks

Are there any alternate DSL providers available, like Covad? Just curious, what cable companies service your town?

Yes it's shared because they do not run a seperate cable for every house, but it's not the same as cable. Too many people on a single node WILL slow down connection speeds. Yet DSL has no such limitations.

Ike0069

I've been a tech in the industry for years, and this isn't an issue. Everyone shares an internet connection. MIT shares an internet connection at some point.

Yes, upstream costs way more than down, for tons of reasons. And it costs more at every point along the way.

 

[ssvegeta1010]

Get the DSL. Also, be very careful with some cable, it can be very congested (as chaudharymic said) especially in places where the connection is widely spread.

 

[chaudharymic]

Well if you have a decent cable provider, getting some people to show them the congestion will sometimes convince them to add another node, or find a method to reduce the congestion. Sorry for going off on a tangent.

 

[Jelly]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler

Originally posted by: Jelly
Great. I only got to see this today, goddamn unreliable internet. I check Verizon Broadband, and I live in Falcon, Colorado. Where? So it looks like verizon would only be able to offer 60-144 kbs for me. But the DSL report sounds great, just the fact that its no longer "Wireless Radio, or no internet" means a lot to me. Thanks

Are there any alternate DSL providers available, like Covad? Just curious, what cable companies service your town?

Yes it's shared because they do not run a seperate cable for every house, but it's not the same as cable. Too many people on a single node WILL slow down connection speeds. Yet DSL has no such limitations.

Ike0069

I've been a tech in the industry for years, and this isn't an issue. Everyone shares an internet connection. MIT shares an internet connection at some point.

Yes, upstream costs way more than down, for tons of reasons. And it costs more at every point along the way.

I have checked our area, we dont have any cable lines coming to our house, the biggest company that might be coming soon due to development would be adelphia, but I dont know when they will be looking at our area for business. In town, my isp has just started setting up cable internet lines, but town is over 4 miles away, and the rep I talked to said that getting our road hard-lined will happen close to never.
I did make an error with the dsl speeds. It's 256 up, and 512 down for 35, so this dsl is looking better

 

[Jelly]

Heres a kind of related question. Why would my surge protector that protects from surges through the cat5 cord not work? I plugged my cat 5 cored into the surge protector, then into my computer and I get no connection. I brought the surge protector to my dad's house, and hooked it up so the cable modem's cat 5 cord goes into the surge protector then into his wireless router, and everything worked fine. Is there some reason that my internet would need to be directly connected into the radio dish? constantly needing to update something? WTF?

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: formulav8
I have Earthlink Cable (Same as Brighthouse RR with slight routing changes in very few cases) I pay $42/month for 5mbps/384kbps up. They really need to up the upload speeds. I guess the cost is more for a company to have faster upload speeds more so than download speeds??

i may be wrong but i would think they keep the upload low because they don't want you running servers, especially p2p stuff, but i could be wrong.

 

[RanDum72]

On average, cable connections have lower latencies than DSL.
And I can't believe there's still this thing going around about cable being 'shared' and DSL is 'dedicated' BS. They are both shared but only on different points of the infrastructure.Cable is shared in your neighborhood but usually the bandwidth is so much its not really a problem. DSL has only one line to the telco but guess who else converges there? The rest of the DSL subscribers. There are also other factors such as how good your ISP is, etc... Bottom line is just chose on price/performance ( and what you value more) and the quality of the ISP.

My mom had Charter cable (~1mbit?) and I used to get 40-50 pings on most Counterstrike Servers.

At my college we have 10mbit and pings are 200-300ms.

At my house I have a deticated T1 (1.5) and get 50-60 pings.

My DSL circuit (128k) at my house I get ~70-80 pings.

It all depends

But in that college, the 10mbit connection goes through your college firewall, etc..where the pings are slowed down because of probable 'security' measures. And is that connection the connection from the, say, dorm or is that the actual bandwidth the school is paying for? Either way, you cannot directly compare a pings from a school to pings in your house. Taking away the pings from the school, the T1 and cable connections have higher bandwidth and a correspondingly lower ping time compared to DSL.

 

[SVT Cobra]

exactly randum 72

i right now have a fractional t1...when i used to have cable my latency was very low(becuase not many ppl had or still do have cable around here) compared to the verizon dsl offered here....and they are BOTH shared at different points....dont make up bs becuase ur jeleous you dont have a fast, fast conn...

excuse me for assuming that you have a decent cable company(not shitting comcrash or suxcom) that allows you to have the full connection that you pay for and not having to share the bandwith with so many ppl...my comment was very general, and on average when you have cable you have a better ping in CS comapred to those on dsl...ive played on both and have experienced the difference on certain aspects...considering where i live there is a ten dollars difference it is not a question to me....i dont particuarily care about all those details becuase overall i would be getting the best uploads.downloads w.e with cable...

Also unless you connection when you took those tests were on the same computer, they are worthless video card settings and game gfx, physics ect, also raise your ping....let me know i find it interesting on my search for the best ping lol......

 

[The Boston Dangler]

i didn't realize the stan's mom plays counterstrike.