Interstellar

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CZroe

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Jun 24, 2001
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I saw this yesterday in IMAX. It's good, but overall I was disappointed. I would say 7/10 or so. Either the sound mixing or my theater was horrible. Music totally covered up the dialogue in several places and many scenes had music that felt like it should be subtle, but was obnoxiously loud. It seriously detracted from the experience.

**HERE BE SPOILERS**

Roughly the first third of the movie was the weakest part IMO. No explanation for why the earth got into this state? Guy shows up a NASA after spending what, 10-15 years as a farmer, and he's made pilot of a mission to decide the survival of humanity because "they" sent him? And the mission launches with apparently no training? Meh. Also, it's a nitpick but I was disappointed that what little was shown of the launch appeared to be recycled footage from Apollo.

The effects of the wormhole and travel through it was fantastic. Things started to pick up after that, but there are some immense plot holes (we won't even go into some of the blatant scientific inaccuracies). Time dilation is such a huge factor in the plot, but no one seems to even think about the consequences of it - like that Miller couldn't have had more than about 2 hours on her planet by the time they land. I felt the subplots with Matt Damon and Murph's brother were both a bit weak. The former seemed a bit cliche (shades of TDK "bringing down the best of us"), and the latter didn't really seem to add anything to the plot.

The ending... well, I don't get how you can put so much effort into accurately rendering a black hole, but don't even bother mentioning something as major as spaghettification when you send your main character into that black hole. There was too much dues ex machina in the ending for my tastes, but it wasn't unbearable.
They said it was a blight that was changing the atmosphere by breathing nitrogen instead of oxygen and adapting to ruin any remaining crops. He didn't just "show up." He was a pilot in training until an accident and they had been looking for him since he became a farmer. It was the mission he was originally being trained for. They show a very similar craft in his training accident flashback/dream before all this. They specifically pointed out that miller has only landed about three hours earlier when they asked why the wreckage hadn't been skewed by the waves.
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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How was scrawny Anne Hathaway supposed to raise hundreds of babies?

She wasn't. She would carry as many as she could handle and the next generation would take care of more until successive generations could take care of the rest, adding genetic diversity with each generation. Some would remain in stasis in case they need a do-over.
 

Mr. Pedantic

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Feb 14, 2010
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They said it was a blight that was changing the atmosphere by breathing nitrogen instead of oxygen and adapting to ruin any remaining crops. He didn't just "show up." He was a pilot in training until an accident and they had been looking for him since he became a farmer. It was the mission he was originally being trained for. They show a very similar craft in his training accident flashback/dream before all this. They specifically pointed out that miller has only landed about three hours earlier when they asked why the wreckage hadn't been skewed by the waves.

Miller's planet had some major holes in it. With the way the planet is described there is no way there would even be a planet there - the gravity of the black hole would be enough to tear it apart. Assuming there was a planet, gravity on the surface would be stronger TOWARDS the black hole - you'd literally float off the ground at several thousand Gs. Escape velocity from the black hole at that distance would also be around 0.5c, and the time dilation would mean it would be literally impossible to miss the fact that you're only getting pings once every few days instead of every few SECONDS from the surface.

It really is hard to see how anybody could have ever possibly thought that there would be a habitable planet here.
 

Gunslinger08

Lifer
Nov 18, 2001
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I think it was one of the most entertaining movies I've seen in years. It's sci-fi and involves time travel/time dilation, so you're going to get some plot holes, but overall I was pretty happy with the plot.

A few things that did bother me:
The whole "love" thing was cheesy.
Casey Affleck's storyline seemed pointless.
The end felt a little rushed. I would have preferred they cut out the Affleck scenes and added 5-10 minutes between tesseract collapsing and Cooper being discovered.
 

Merad

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May 31, 2010
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They said it was a blight that was changing the atmosphere by breathing nitrogen instead of oxygen and adapting to ruin any remaining crops.

They never offer any explanation for where the blight came from or adapted to attack all food crops. It would have only taken 30 seconds of dialogue at the beginning of the movie vs dropping the audience in blind.

He didn't just "show up." He was a pilot in training until an accident and they had been looking for him since he became a farmer. It was the mission he was originally being trained for. They show a very similar craft in his training accident flashback/dream before all this.

I don't think so. He had no knowledge of the wormhole or the dozen solo missions suggesting that he's been out for 10-15 years if not more (the missions were launched 10 years before and would have been in planning for several years). Even if that was the case he would need significant training before he was ready to sit in the pilot's chair again. Not to mention I don't think Cooper would be content to sit around farming if he knew a mission like that was underway.

They specifically pointed out that miller has only landed about three hours earlier when they asked why the wreckage hadn't been skewed by the waves.

My point is, that should have been considered from the beginning. You know that big discussion they had about whether it was worth the risk and the resources to go to Miller's planet? It would have been kind of important for someone to say "oh by the way, Miller has barely had time to send an initial report, while the other guys have a decade worth of data."
 

Merad

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May 31, 2010
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Miller's planet had some major holes in it. With the way the planet is described there is no way there would even be a planet there - the gravity of the black hole would be enough to tear it apart. Assuming there was a planet, gravity on the surface would be stronger TOWARDS the black hole - you'd literally float off the ground at several thousand Gs. Escape velocity from the black hole at that distance would also be around 0.5c, and the time dilation would mean it would be literally impossible to miss the fact that you're only getting pings once every few days instead of every few SECONDS from the surface.

It really is hard to see how anybody could have ever possibly thought that there would be a habitable planet here.

Not to mention that at such a close distance the planet should be sterilized by x-rays from the accretion disk...
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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They never offer any explanation for where the blight came from or adapted to attack all food crops. It would have only taken 30 seconds of dialogue at the beginning of the movie vs dropping the audience in blind.



I don't think so. He had no knowledge of the wormhole or the dozen solo missions suggesting that he's been out for 10-15 years if not more (the missions were launched 10 years before and would have been in planning for several years). Even if that was the case he would need significant training before he was ready to sit in the pilot's chair again. Not to mention I don't think Cooper would be content to sit around farming if he knew a mission like that was underway.



My point is, that should have been considered from the beginning. You know that big discussion they had about whether it was worth the risk and the resources to go to Miller's planet? It would have been kind of important for someone to say "oh by the way, Miller has barely had time to send an initial report, while the other guys have a decade worth of data."

It's a 3 hour movie not a 9 hour trilogy. Do we really need 40 minutes of onscreen time for training when you can assume "some shit happened" between time a and time b.
 

Xcobra

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Oct 19, 2004
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I don't understand the hatred. People will never be happy. I thought it was a great SCI FI movie. It was a bit slow at the beginning but picked up nicely. Would have been nice to see other alien life forms though. Will definitely see it again.
 

Merad

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May 31, 2010
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It's a 3 hour movie not a 9 hour trilogy. Do we really need 40 minutes of onscreen time for training when you can assume "some shit happened" between time a and time b.

I don't have a problem with them not showing training, but by all appearances they launch with no training. At least none after Cooper arrives. It wouldn't be a big deal, except they later proceed to get blindsided by several things that should have been covered in training...

Dealbreaker? No. Sloppy storytelling? Yep.
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
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I don't have a problem with them not showing training, but by all appearances they launch with no training. At least none after Cooper arrives. It wouldn't be a big deal, except they later proceed to get blindsided by several things that should have been covered in training...

Dealbreaker? No. Sloppy storytelling? Yep.

That was the countdown occurring while he drove away.

I think, for the purposes of the movie, the training was entirely unimportant. This wasn't Armageddon, where much of the story involved the training time.

We can assume there was plenty of time between Cooper driving down the dirt road in his truck, and the rocket liftoff. For the purposes of the story, what happened off screen was not important. We don't need to be bored with unnecessary details, when most of us can perfectly fill in that gap with assumed events.

We never saw them go to the bathroom either. Are they gods or something?
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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I don't have a problem with them not showing training, but by all appearances they launch with no training. At least none after Cooper arrives. It wouldn't be a big deal, except they later proceed to get blindsided by several things that should have been covered in training...

Dealbreaker? No. Sloppy storytelling? Yep.

agree to disagree.

+ what destrekor said
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
24,195
857
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Miller's planet had some major holes in it. With the way the planet is described there is no way there would even be a planet there - the gravity of the black hole would be enough to tear it apart. Assuming there was a planet, gravity on the surface would be stronger TOWARDS the black hole - you'd literally float off the ground at several thousand Gs. Escape velocity from the black hole at that distance would also be around 0.5c, and the time dilation would mean it would be literally impossible to miss the fact that you're only getting pings once every few days instead of every few SECONDS from the surface.

It really is hard to see how anybody could have ever possibly thought that there would be a habitable planet here.
They explained that extreme time dilation effects occur much farther away from the black hole if it is spinning extremely rapidly, which it presumably is. That means the planet was much farther away from the black hole and was far enough away that this would not happen. It could be tidally locked and they are only interested in the opposite side, where the gravity of the planet and the black hole total to 1.3G.

The pings weren't slowed down from seconds to days. They were "echoed." Not sure what they were saying explained the echo or why there was no sequence data to the pings.

They never offer any explanation for where the blight came from or adapted to attack all food crops. It would have only taken 30 seconds of dialogue at the beginning of the movie vs dropping the audience in blind.



I don't think so. He had no knowledge of the wormhole or the dozen solo missions suggesting that he's been out for 10-15 years if not more (the missions were launched 10 years before and would have been in planning for several years). Even if that was the case he would need significant training before he was ready to sit in the pilot's chair again. Not to mention I don't think Cooper would be content to sit around farming if he knew a mission like that was underway.



My point is, that should have been considered from the beginning. You know that big discussion they had about whether it was worth the risk and the resources to go to Miller's planet? It would have been kind of important for someone to say "oh by the way, Miller has barely had time to send an initial report, while the other guys have a decade worth of data."

Uhh, here are crop blights all the time. No need to explain where it came from. It's natural. He clearly DIDN'T know the nature of the mission they were training him for, but that's what they said. It was the mission he trained for. Remember, the general public thinks that NASA is a big fraud which he seemed to take personally, almost as an insult. Why? He knows better. He trained to go into space. Society tried to force him to be a farmer because that's what they needed and his accident convinced him to leave. He had no knowledge of the wormhole because they don't just blab everything to every prospective pilot.

As for the other two planets having a decade of data: Nope. Only one. A rock slide killed the other guy. Remember? With only one of three planets having any significant data for the last decade and the resources to visit two, they wanted to at least visit two. They explained that the most efficient way to do that was to stop at Miller's planet first.

Not to mention that at such a close distance the planet should be sterilized by x-rays from the accretion disk...
Would time dilation limit their exposure over the course of their lives? What about that plus being on the opposite side of a tidally locked orbit?
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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I don't have a problem with them not showing training, but by all appearances they launch with no training. At least none after Cooper arrives. It wouldn't be a big deal, except they later proceed to get blindsided by several things that should have been covered in training...

Dealbreaker? No. Sloppy storytelling? Yep.
They showed training. He had a nightmare and woke up. The nightmare was him remembering a training accident he survived that killed someone else and shook him up enough to leave the program BEFORE he became a farmer. More training is assumed to have happened after he left the farm, but not nearly as much as would have been required. Due to the secret nature of the project, he was still gone as far as his family was concerned.
 

Mermaidman

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Sep 4, 2003
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Re: Training
Wasn't Cooper a former pilot? He didn't need more training. As for the other three, I assumed that they've been training all along, before Cooper showed up - He was a bonus.
 

Merad

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May 31, 2010
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Would time dilation limit their exposure over the course of their lives? What about that plus being on the opposite side of a tidally locked orbit?

If anything it would seem to do the opposite. A human who lived for 70 years on the planet would be exposed to something over 4 million years of radiation from the black hole.

A tidally locked planet has its own problems, mostly that it causes the massive waves to make no sense. Wouldn't make a difference though, you're probably talking about enough radiation to destroy the planet's atmosphere.
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
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If anything it would seem to do the opposite. A human who lived for 70 years on the planet would be exposed to something over 4 million years of radiation from the black hole.

A tidally locked planet has its own problems, mostly that it causes the massive waves to make no sense. Wouldn't make a difference though, you're probably talking about enough radiation to destroy the planet's atmosphere.

I think time dilation would mean that they experience whatever they would in that timeframe, if everything in that timeframe is within the same gravity well.

Which, considering the gravity well gets considerably deeper as you close the gap, may mean that the exposure to radiation would be considerably less than if they were closer to the source.


And really, all this talk about being so close to a black hole and its effects is still theoretical physics, and there are competing theories; new mathematical models were involved in the creation of the basic elements for Interstellar, and there are no definitive answers regarding effects at close range. Physicists cannot even guarantee that matter is burned up, pulled apart, or crushed once crossing the event horizon (which is well beyond the accretion disk, where most of the observed energy signatures originate, iirc) - too much is unknown, and the possibility remains that blackholes act as wormholes. Whether they can be traversed by humanity, if that is indeed the case, is also up to interpretation. And without the ability to receive data from probes (and in the immediate future, even get a probe to reach one), they might always remain a guessing game until a few gamble their lives to experience them - and we might still end up none the wiser regardless.
 

JTsyo

Lifer
Nov 18, 2007
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Can anyone find a picture of the layout of that solar system? Was there a star there too in addition to the black hole?
 

Merad

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Can anyone find a picture of the layout of that solar system? Was there a star there too in addition to the black hole?

I don't think so. Gargantua is supposed to be a supermassive black hole, meaning that it's at least several hundred thousand times the mass of our sun. Could potentially be millions or even billions of times more massive. It would be the gravitationally dominant object for a very large area.

That actually raises the question of where the other 9 planets are? It's stated that there are only 3 planets in orbit around Gargantua. Maybe the wormhole has multiple outlets.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
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there is no problem with the sound bros, why can't you guys just feel the emotions?

Bolded his response to one of the most common scenes, and I sat in the theater he mentioned w00t.
More @ link.

Nolan — who said he is a fierce believer that “sound is as important as picture” — said that he likes to hear how his movies sound in actual theaters. “Usually [I visit] six or seven. I like to hear it out where people are going to see it, not just in the cocoon of the dub stage. That is something I have done for years, because everything we are doing is intended to communicate something to the audience."

“The theaters I have been at have been doing a terrific job in terms of presenting the film in the way I intended,” he continued. “Broadly speaking, there is no question when you mix a film in an unconventional way as this, you’re bound to catch some people off guard, but hopefully people can appreciate the experience for what it’s intended to be.” To check out how Interstellar is playing, Nolan said he has visited the TCL Chinese Imax Theatre and the Arclight Cinemas Dome in Hollywood and the AMC Loews Lincoln Square in New York.

Nolan attributed Interstellar’s sound to “very tight teamwork” among composer Hans Zimmer, re-recording mixers Gary Rizzo and Gregg Landaker and sound designer Richard King. “We made carefully considered creative decisions,” he said. “There are particular moments in this film where I decided to use dialogue as a sound effect, so sometimes it’s mixed slightly underneath the other sound effects or in the other sound effects to emphasize how loud the surrounding noise is. It’s not that nobody has ever done these things before, but it's a little unconventional for a Hollywood movie.”

As one example, he cited the scene during which Matthew McConaughey is driving through a cornfield — something Nolan actually did, riding in the back of a car while filming point of view shots. “It’s incredibly loud … exhilarating and slightly frightening,” he laughed as he described his experience. “I was very keen to try and give the audience the experience and the chaotic feeling with the sound.”

“The idea is to experience the journey the character is going on,” he said. “[For instance] the experience of being in the cockpit is you hear the creaking [of the spacecraft]; it’s a very scary sound. We wanted to be true to the experience of space travel. We wanted to emphasize those intimate elements.”

Nolan added, “I also love the quality of the sounds Richard got inside the truck. It’s echoed later in the film, with one of the key spaceship scenes. To me, there’s something very frightening about feeling the environment affecting the vehicle or the capsule you are in — whether it’s sand and dust hitting the windows of the truck you are in or the atmospherical forces while you are traveling in a space capsule.”

The director called the scene in which characters are driving through a massive dust storm “really fun," elaborating, “I love sound cuts that play with point of view (in this case, the sound of the dust hitting the car, as heard from both outside and inside the truck). When the camera cuts outside the car, the sound cuts with it. You have that feeling of the elements barraging you — and you’re out there in it."

Nolan used other elements to delineate the different planets visited, not just with picture, but with sound. “We wanted to avoid the traditional layering of sound. We wanted to distinguish the worlds based on very intimate, recognizable sounds. The water planet was a lot of splashing. In contrast the ice planet had the crunch of the glaciers," he said.

In another scene. Michael Caine’s character talks with Jessica Chastain’s character from his hospital bed. Said Nolan, “The creative intent there is to be truthful to the situation — an elderly man dying and saying something somewhat unexpected. We are following the emotional state of Jessica’s character as she starts to understand what he’s been saying. Information is communicated in various different ways over the next few scenes. That’s the way I like to work; I don't like to hang everything on one particular line. I like to follow the experience of the character.”

Underscoring the considerable thought that went into the movie's sound, Nolan concluded, “We mixed for months and months and we talked about everything. We must have mixed this film over six months. It was a continuous, organic process and discussion.”

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind-screen/christopher-nolan-breaks-silence-interstellar-749465
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Heh...I'm not sure if this is a case of "I made the IMAX dialogue nearly unintelligible because I wanted it to be experential" or "I probably went overboard a bit on the volume of the low frequency on the IMAX mix, washed out some of the dialog without increasing center channel volume, but don't care in the end because it was still cool/artistry and directors don't make mistakes".

Given that the dolby mix on the 35mm prints and digital files don't exhibit the same characteristics I have my own favorite opinion of the two.
 

smackababy

Lifer
Oct 30, 2008
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I can't speak for the IMAX mix, but the Dolby "normal ass people" theater mix sounded fantastic. It was one of the better parts of the movies, IMO.

Certainly, much better than The Dark Knight Returns where Bane was running around talking through a megaphone. "Oh, I am in an open air plane and Littlefinger has to scream to be barely understandable? Doesn't matter, you can hear me talking over the engines!"
 
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